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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Incorrectly "called isometric" by Thanos.



Oh, its not my claim.

ISOMETRIC PERSPECTIVE

"Isometric perspective makes use of parallel diagonal lines to imply depth on a picture plane. It imposes the measurements of an architectural drawing onto a simulation of three-dimensions."

Xu Yang - Scroll, ink and color on silk, 1770 (p. 85)

Isometric Perspective
"Isometric perspective is used in traditional Asian art, video games, and in exploding diagrams. In isometric perspective, all lines remain parallel, or equidistant. In this type of perspective, there is no horizon line and no vanishing points. There is no fixed or limited point of view as in linear perspective. It is possible to shift viewpoints throughout the entire composition, to see the front, side and back of a room or building, for example, at the same time."

"Traditional Chinese use of isometric perspective."


Figure 44: Yuan Jiang, Garden for gazing, China, Qing Dynasty, 1690-1746. The orthographic [also called "isometric"] projection is more suited to the particularly wide format of handscrolls.


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Which I believe comes from here:Isometric Perspective p.98.
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Again:
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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

So if "orthographic perspective" in the art world is also known as "isometric perspective" this means what? As explained by the source I cite oblique angles and orthogonal sides are used as a whole to create oblique orthographic perspective, which as we can see, and I can find many more sources, some call in general "isometric perspective".

One of the authors of the paper I cite is Christopher Tyler who, all things considered regardless of countless other sources that refer to Chinese perspective as "isometric", given the man's credentials, I think I'll go with him on this one. It is obvious they used oblique perspective in Chinese art, but as a whole, the sum of its parts, is often referred to as isometric perspective.

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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> Yes. Great interesting stuff, but despite Thanos
> citation reference . Jon is correct. (based
> on Technical Drawing knowledge*) . I am no "art
> ex-spurt"

The citation is not saying Jon is "incorrect" either and corroborates the use of oblique angles to create orthographic, also referred to as "isometric" perspective. We do not need to wonder if in this context that this is how the term is used because it is used this way ubiquitously namely when reffering to Chinese and Japanese art. Whether it is anally retentively "technically correct" or not, the art world apparently does not care so in this context I am not wrong which was Jon's claim, not the other way around. And really? I wonder how many times I will have to cite or explain it before anyone actually gets it. I even highlight the word "oblique" in bold 4 times.

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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

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> Your posts are really beyond "Dumb".

Obviously, as I keep responding to the lot of you. This matter was just resolved, after several posts which my last to Corp could not have been more clear, and now here the lot of you all are running around the room screaming bloody murder all over again when other examples of Chinese art are shown despite the fact the point of the response to Audrey was not about "what kind of perspective", but rather the fact the Chinese use of this form of perspective, regardless of what one wishes to call it, is ancient.

And here you are furiously mocking up all of these new photos to prove the same point you already did in the the other photos? Is there a suggestion, if only the opposite, that somehow Chinese art was different the further you go back in time, the point of even bothering to respond to Audrey in the first place?

Please. You of all people are hardly the arbiter of what is "dumb" or not.

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 391 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 451 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 304 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 312 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 210 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 241 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 332 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 328 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 246 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 307 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 465 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 212 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 259 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 366 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 270 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 188 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 225 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 189 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 360 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 195 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 263 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 215 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 430 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 202 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 338 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 283 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 205 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 450 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 287 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 221 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 278 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 372 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 203 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 247 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 274 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 258 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 232 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 300 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 280 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 226 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 367 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 358 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 280 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 298 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 262 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 285 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 335 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 530 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 255 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 384 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 346 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 276 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 210 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 323 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 276 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 191 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 389 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 181 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 198 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 222 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 372 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 194 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 297 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 375 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 257 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 276 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 347 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 344 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 218 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 391 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 251 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 268 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 194 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 270 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 289 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 248 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 197 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 295 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 338 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 354 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 351 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 185 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 341 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 365 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 406 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05