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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Incorrectly "called isometric" by Thanos.



Oh, its not my claim.

ISOMETRIC PERSPECTIVE

"Isometric perspective makes use of parallel diagonal lines to imply depth on a picture plane. It imposes the measurements of an architectural drawing onto a simulation of three-dimensions."

Xu Yang - Scroll, ink and color on silk, 1770 (p. 85)

Isometric Perspective
"Isometric perspective is used in traditional Asian art, video games, and in exploding diagrams. In isometric perspective, all lines remain parallel, or equidistant. In this type of perspective, there is no horizon line and no vanishing points. There is no fixed or limited point of view as in linear perspective. It is possible to shift viewpoints throughout the entire composition, to see the front, side and back of a room or building, for example, at the same time."

"Traditional Chinese use of isometric perspective."


Figure 44: Yuan Jiang, Garden for gazing, China, Qing Dynasty, 1690-1746. The orthographic [also called "isometric"] projection is more suited to the particularly wide format of handscrolls.


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Which I believe comes from here:Isometric Perspective p.98.
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Again:
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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

So if "orthographic perspective" in the art world is also known as "isometric perspective" this means what? As explained by the source I cite oblique angles and orthogonal sides are used as a whole to create oblique orthographic perspective, which as we can see, and I can find many more sources, some call in general "isometric perspective".

One of the authors of the paper I cite is Christopher Tyler who, all things considered regardless of countless other sources that refer to Chinese perspective as "isometric", given the man's credentials, I think I'll go with him on this one. It is obvious they used oblique perspective in Chinese art, but as a whole, the sum of its parts, is often referred to as isometric perspective.

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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> Yes. Great interesting stuff, but despite Thanos
> citation reference . Jon is correct. (based
> on Technical Drawing knowledge*) . I am no "art
> ex-spurt"

The citation is not saying Jon is "incorrect" either and corroborates the use of oblique angles to create orthographic, also referred to as "isometric" perspective. We do not need to wonder if in this context that this is how the term is used because it is used this way ubiquitously namely when reffering to Chinese and Japanese art. Whether it is anally retentively "technically correct" or not, the art world apparently does not care so in this context I am not wrong which was Jon's claim, not the other way around. And really? I wonder how many times I will have to cite or explain it before anyone actually gets it. I even highlight the word "oblique" in bold 4 times.

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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

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> Your posts are really beyond "Dumb".

Obviously, as I keep responding to the lot of you. This matter was just resolved, after several posts which my last to Corp could not have been more clear, and now here the lot of you all are running around the room screaming bloody murder all over again when other examples of Chinese art are shown despite the fact the point of the response to Audrey was not about "what kind of perspective", but rather the fact the Chinese use of this form of perspective, regardless of what one wishes to call it, is ancient.

And here you are furiously mocking up all of these new photos to prove the same point you already did in the the other photos? Is there a suggestion, if only the opposite, that somehow Chinese art was different the further you go back in time, the point of even bothering to respond to Audrey in the first place?

Please. You of all people are hardly the arbiter of what is "dumb" or not.

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 348 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 283 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 271 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 274 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 172 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 210 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 296 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 279 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 215 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 260 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 396 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 178 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 225 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 327 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 236 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 156 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 192 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 218 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 152 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 172 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 171 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 287 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 161 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 260 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 399 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 258 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 175 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 346 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 230 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 163 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 217 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 195 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 236 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 216 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 191 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 272 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 252 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 195 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 319 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 319 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 236 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 252 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 221 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 250 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 455 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 214 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 329 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 300 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 232 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 236 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 178 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 287 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 246 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 161 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 333 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 154 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 168 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 190 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 340 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 164 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 239 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 268 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 338 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 210 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 241 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 297 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 299 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 184 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 334 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 212 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 237 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 159 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 238 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 250 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 201 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 156 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 256 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 276 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 308 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 306 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 219 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 149 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 278 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
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