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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Incorrectly "called isometric" by Thanos.



Oh, its not my claim.

ISOMETRIC PERSPECTIVE

"Isometric perspective makes use of parallel diagonal lines to imply depth on a picture plane. It imposes the measurements of an architectural drawing onto a simulation of three-dimensions."

Xu Yang - Scroll, ink and color on silk, 1770 (p. 85)

Isometric Perspective
"Isometric perspective is used in traditional Asian art, video games, and in exploding diagrams. In isometric perspective, all lines remain parallel, or equidistant. In this type of perspective, there is no horizon line and no vanishing points. There is no fixed or limited point of view as in linear perspective. It is possible to shift viewpoints throughout the entire composition, to see the front, side and back of a room or building, for example, at the same time."

"Traditional Chinese use of isometric perspective."


Figure 44: Yuan Jiang, Garden for gazing, China, Qing Dynasty, 1690-1746. The orthographic [also called "isometric"] projection is more suited to the particularly wide format of handscrolls.


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Which I believe comes from here:Isometric Perspective p.98.
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Again:
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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

So if "orthographic perspective" in the art world is also known as "isometric perspective" this means what? As explained by the source I cite oblique angles and orthogonal sides are used as a whole to create oblique orthographic perspective, which as we can see, and I can find many more sources, some call in general "isometric perspective".

One of the authors of the paper I cite is Christopher Tyler who, all things considered regardless of countless other sources that refer to Chinese perspective as "isometric", given the man's credentials, I think I'll go with him on this one. It is obvious they used oblique perspective in Chinese art, but as a whole, the sum of its parts, is often referred to as isometric perspective.

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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> Yes. Great interesting stuff, but despite Thanos
> citation reference . Jon is correct. (based
> on Technical Drawing knowledge*) . I am no "art
> ex-spurt"

The citation is not saying Jon is "incorrect" either and corroborates the use of oblique angles to create orthographic, also referred to as "isometric" perspective. We do not need to wonder if in this context that this is how the term is used because it is used this way ubiquitously namely when reffering to Chinese and Japanese art. Whether it is anally retentively "technically correct" or not, the art world apparently does not care so in this context I am not wrong which was Jon's claim, not the other way around. And really? I wonder how many times I will have to cite or explain it before anyone actually gets it. I even highlight the word "oblique" in bold 4 times.

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Chinese perspective is usually organized in a form of orthographic perspective (also known as ‘isometric’ or ‘axonometric’ perspective) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal sides shown obliquely at two main angles of recession. The angles of these receding obliques are typically coherent throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized use of oblique orthographic perspective as a solution to the avoidance of local vanishing points.

Chinese Perspective as a Rational System: Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form

"Orthographic projection is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface."

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> Your posts are really beyond "Dumb".

Obviously, as I keep responding to the lot of you. This matter was just resolved, after several posts which my last to Corp could not have been more clear, and now here the lot of you all are running around the room screaming bloody murder all over again when other examples of Chinese art are shown despite the fact the point of the response to Audrey was not about "what kind of perspective", but rather the fact the Chinese use of this form of perspective, regardless of what one wishes to call it, is ancient.

And here you are furiously mocking up all of these new photos to prove the same point you already did in the the other photos? Is there a suggestion, if only the opposite, that somehow Chinese art was different the further you go back in time, the point of even bothering to respond to Audrey in the first place?

Please. You of all people are hardly the arbiter of what is "dumb" or not.

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 264 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 265 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 157 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 206 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 282 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 255 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 200 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 256 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 380 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 167 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 215 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 312 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 232 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 148 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 177 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 147 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 158 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 179 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 354 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 334 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 156 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 249 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 252 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 157 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 210 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 187 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 266 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 247 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 189 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 306 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 300 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 228 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 242 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 211 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 248 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 426 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 210 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 298 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 224 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 229 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 169 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 238 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 157 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 319 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 148 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 161 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 184 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 330 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 159 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 226 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 243 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 258 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 328 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 199 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 237 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 293 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 290 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 179 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 310 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 184 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 224 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 154 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 229 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 239 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 181 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 152 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 248 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 294 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 300 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 212 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 144 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 271 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 217 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
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