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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Am I wrong?
> >
> > Yes indeed.. Making it up as you go along..
>
> Somehow, I don't think so.
>
> > Isometric perspective is a modern technical
> > drawing projection, as in isometric projection.
>
> And you are supposedly the lettered "art expert"?
> Isometric perspective, also known as "orthographic
> perspective", was a perspective technique first
> widely used by ancient Chinese artists. For
> example:
>

That's not isometric, it's oblique.
Question.... If it is isometric what is oblique??????
I'll give you a clue.

Oblique.
First plane, flat view.
Second plane, receding not converging, Greek to IR

Isometric,
All planes receding, not converging.

Linear/Two point linear
All planes receding, and converging., Post IR



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>
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The other solution is the one that seems to
> have been generally adopted, and is known as
> “Chinese
> perspective”, which is to use a form of
> perspective that avoids vanishing points by
> showing the receding lines as
> parallel obliques. However, this form of Chinese
> perspective is widely misunderstood for an
> embedded series of
> reasons. Many (as in the header quote) assume that
> it is simply disorganized in the Western medieval
> fashion,
> with some local coherence but no consistent global
> organization throughout the scroll. The Oxford
> Companion
> to Art (Osborne, 1970), for example, goes as far
> as to say, “The Chinese have never had any
> scientific interest in
> perspective or its rules.” (!) In fact, as the
> same source paradoxically recognizes, Chinese
> perspective is usually
> organized in a form of orthographic perspective
> (also known as ‘isometric’ or
> ‘axonometric’ perspective) in
> which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the
> fronts in undistorted elevation and the orthogonal
> sides

Read it again Thanos.
Take note of the (also known as Isometric) in which the buildings are viewed obliquely with the front sides in undistorted elevation and the orthagonal sides.




> shown obliquely at two main angles of
> recession.
The angles of these receding
> obliques are typically coherent
> throughout the scroll, implying a well-organized
> use of oblique orthographic perspective as a
> solution to the
> avoidance of local vanishing points.
> [url=http://www.psy.ntu.edu.tw/vnl/paper/Chinese%2
> 0Perspective%20as%20a%20Rational%20System%20Relati
> onship%20to%20Panofsky's%20Symbolic%20Form.pdf]Chi
> nese Perspective as a Rational System:
> Relationship to Panofsky’s Symbolic Form[/url]
>
> > Renascence Italy. The middle ages were pretty
> > much stuck with oblique (not isometric).
> > Bruno was the main man. It's no coincidence
> that
> > art got good at about the same time as
> > mathematics.
> > And of course, the invention of the camera at
> > about that time. Secret knowledge.
> >
> > Now Thanos is rewriting the history books.
> > Let's move on.
>
> Middle Ages:
> [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the
> _Middle_Ages]400AD-1499AD.[/url]
> The Renaissance began in the "Middle Ages",
> dumbass, which Bruno "invented" linear perspective
> in 1415AD.
> [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance]"Th
> e Renaissance was a period in European history,
> from the 14th to the 17th century, regarded as the
> cultural bridge between the Middle Ages and modern
> history."[/url]
>
> [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/his
> tory/shp/middleages/medievalcivilisationrev1.shtml
> ]The Middle Ages (or Medieval period) were the
> period in between the Roman Empire (often said to
> have ended in AD476) and the Renaissance (often
> dated from 1453).[/url]

That's why I said they were pretty much stuck with oblique throughout most of the middle ages.
Linear perspective came late, during the IR along with the camera.
That's why I said "Bruno was the main man".

Yes we know about the Chinese, and the Arab traders borrowed it and introduced it into Europe. Yada yada yada.

Anyway. The picture you posted is not isometric, it is oblique.

Go find another book. This time read it and try to understand it.
Would you like me to draw you a picture?
Or
Google

Isometric cube
Oblique cube
Linear perspective, cube.
All will be revealed.



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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 391 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 429 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 211 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 455 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 416 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 260 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 291 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 297 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 183 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 232 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 308 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 314 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 225 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 286 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 424 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 200 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 245 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 350 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 258 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 175 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 203 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 244 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 166 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 320 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 325 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 310 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 295 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 392 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 181 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 428 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 278 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 197 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 254 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 183 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 226 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 251 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 232 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 212 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 283 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 272 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 206 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 350 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 339 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 263 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 273 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 241 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 271 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 318 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 501 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 239 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 369 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 267 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 258 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 188 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 307 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 256 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 171 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 369 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 165 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 176 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 212 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 350 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 174 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 262 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 282 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 287 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 354 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 241 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 262 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 320 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 328 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 206 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 377 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 233 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 246 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 180 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 259 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 264 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 236 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 180 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 272 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 306 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 236 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 322 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 343 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 230 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 359 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 162 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 319 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 329 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 300 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05