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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > Is that what you think?
>
> Am I wrong?

Yes indeed.. Making it up as you go along..


>
> > "No different" I suggest you take a closer
> look.
> > The contrast is overwhelming.
>
> Considering the different mediums and the culture
> behind who and why these statues are made, no, I
> find the differences quite "underwhelming".

Okay that about sums up your visio-spatial observational abilities.
Lets move on.

>
> > PRIMITIVE ART...
> > Primitive is not a derogatory term.
> >
> > Primitivism. Read...
> >
> > [en.wikipedia.org]
>
> Please pay attention Jon. I did not say "primitive
> art", but rather "primitiveness" which you have
> applied to AE culture at large.

I said "primitive" meaning primitive as in primitive art. The genre of primitive art.
As in the Wiki link I provided.
You have a definition of primitive art all of your own. Making it up as you go along.
Let's move on.

>
> > You are way out of your depth.

> Of course.
At last we agree on something.

>
> > Of course they could understand subjects in
> three
> > dimensions, they lived in a three dimensional
> > world just as we do. However as you yourself
> > clearly stated, they did not express that three
> > dimensional world in their two dimensional art.
>
> And...? As I also stated clearly, neither did any
> other culture until the classical Greeks

We can agree again..
It's getting good.


which
> even then was merely forced isometric perspective

Are you talking about forced perspective or isometric perspective?
they are totally different things.
Also..
Isometric perspective is a modern technical drawing projection, as in isometric projection.
I think you mean oblique perspective, which is altogether different again.
By the way forced perspective is an architectural and photographic illusion. Sometimes both.. Hollywood film sets etc..
Lets move on..


> which it was not until the middle ages linear
> perspective was "invented" (though in reality I'd
> say this is a little muddy).

Renascence Italy. The middle ages were pretty much stuck with oblique (not isometric).
Bruno was the main man. It's no coincidence that art got good at about the same time as mathematics.
And of course, the invention of the camera at about that time. Secret knowledge.

Now Thanos is rewriting the history books.
Let's move on.


>
> > You claim it was a matter of choice. I see no
> > evidence of any "choice".
>
> Since we are all keen these days on not
> misrepresenting each other, what I "claimed" was
> that it was "not a matter of "ability", but
> rather sensibility."
Meaning not, "choice",
> but rather the fundamental way in which their
> culture conveyed information through their art on
> a 2-D surface, a meme practiced by all cultures
> for thousands of years.

I disagree.
The choice was similar to their choice not to fly in jetliners.
No one had thought of it yet. For them It didn't even exist.
Nothing whatsoever to do with sensibilities and everything to do with abilities.
They were Choiceless.

Move on...



The technical aspects of
> linear perspective is one thing as indeed it
> seemed to escape the human mind for longer than
> expected, but to assert they could not understand
> depth on a 2-D surface regardless of the fact it
> is not found in their painted art, is
> hardly one of "comprehension".

I agree, they understood depth, what they didn't understand was how to render it in any kind of 2D form .. A painting or a drawing. For them it didn't exist. It was not a problem.
Everything was pictorially rendered in two dimensions without depth or perspective because there was no necessity to do otherwise.
Fit for purpose, tomb wall paintings.

AE art was not a
> means to "express one's artistic ability", but
> rather a means of communication

Which is what visual art is today and always has been. A means of communication synthesised with the necessary production skill. A closed feedback loop. If you can do that without expressing your artistic ability, good or bad, then good luck to you.

Move on again.


and what is
> found in the tomb art throughout the Dynastic era
> is the very continuation of this artistic
> tradition of communication rooted in the carving
> in relief on stone which hardly lends itself to
> presenting depth in 3 dimensions, nor was it
> required.

Not artistic tradition but artistic necessity, they had no option. No other method was available until the classical period with Greek oblique (which you call isometric) perspective.
You could apply the same argument to the 18th century horse and cart. A transportation tradition. Being a transport of choice.

Even the relief carvings do not in any way represent any attempt at perspective. They are chisel relieved line drawings
sometimes field coloured. (field colour means a flat field of the same hue without any attempt at modulation in an attempt to create the action of light on a three dimensional surface.. Light, shade and scintillation).
Painting by numbers with big numbers/big fields...

To sum up ..
They didn't do it because at that time they did not know how to do it and were not interested for one reason or another in finding out how.. (just like jetliners)
They were early bronze age, primitive 2D artists. About as good as it got at that time but otherwise nothing more, nothing less.

Ask an art expert.

Over and out



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19-Apr-17 21:51 by Jon Ellison.

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 166 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 153 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 365 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 371 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 415 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 186 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 422 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 353 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 264 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 264 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 157 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 206 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 282 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 255 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 200 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 256 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 380 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 166 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 215 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 312 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 232 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 148 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 177 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 147 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 158 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 179 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 354 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 334 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 156 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 249 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 251 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 167 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 333 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 157 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 210 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 187 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 266 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 246 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 189 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 306 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 300 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 228 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 242 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 211 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 248 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 426 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 210 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 298 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 291 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 223 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 229 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 169 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 238 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 157 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 319 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 148 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 161 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 184 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 330 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 159 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 226 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 243 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 257 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 328 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 199 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 236 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 292 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 290 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 179 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 309 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 184 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 224 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 154 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 229 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 239 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 181 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 152 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 248 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 294 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 299 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 212 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 144 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 271 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 217 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05