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Warwick Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > Origyptian Wrote:
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> > > > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > > > I can't imagine anyone arguing against two facts;
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. that the Roman were doers, who looked at
> > > > > obstacles as a source of inspiration
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. that they of all ancient people's WERE without
> > > > > peer at reverse engineering and adaption
> > > > >
> > > > > I offer no elaboration of these points at this
> > > > > time due to the fact that anyone arguing fir or
> > > > > against a Roman 'Baalbek' must already know my 2
> > > > > points...or they have no place in this discussion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > warwick
> > > >
> > > > So, if anyone doesn't 'know your 2 points', or
> > > > dares to think that the Dynastic beat the Romans
> > > > in adaption prowess, or challenges the notion that
> > > > the Romans were "without peer at reverse
> > > > engineering", then you are decreeing that
> > > > we can't participate in this discussion?!
> > >
> > > What I am telling you is exactly what so many...
> >
> > "so many"? Like maybe three of you?
> >
> > > ...have been trying so hard to tell you for quite a while
> > > is simple;
> > >
> > > you cannot state that any group is/was not
> > > capable of a given achievement if you are
> > > not well acquainted with the facts concerning that
> > > group's capabilities and achievements.
> > >
> > > I am not here to conduct history lessons.
> > >
> > > I like to assume that anyone arguing against
> > > anything knows precisely what it is they are
> > > arguing against.
> >
> > Warwick, respectfully, you've shown zero knowledge
> > of any significant engineering principle that's
> > been discussed here in the context of the ancient
> > stonework. You're the last person to dictate what
> > background people should have before they can
> > participate in these discussions. Give us a break.
> > Please!
>
> I have posted at length concerning the properties
> of stone, the working of stone, the logistics of
> handling stone, and the observable pattern of
> development in AE architecture and statuary.
>
> I have also communicated my having studied
> Mechanical Engineering in College
>
> I have also communicated that I have considerable
> field experience with Limestone in particular.
>
> You have alluded to the unknown. performed by the
> unknown, at an unknown time, with powered
> technology that you have absolutely no evidence of.
>
> As to the Romans, I have in the past posted at
> length about Roman Military engineering.
>
> I have done brick work, harvested slate, and
> experiemented with stone sculpture.
>
> I am very used to working with what most call
> Primitive tools.
>
> So...do you agree or not with my 'simple facts'
> facts ( allowing for your qualifier re proof of
> provenance for the AE statuary) or not?
>
> Warwick

Warwick, I respect your experience, but it's not obvious how slate, brickwork, and sculpting equips you to understand -- any better than the rest of us -- the daunting nature of that massive construction and the technology required to overcome the natural forces that insert a massive amount of inertia against that effort every step of the way, especially concerning the Baalbek megaliths. It's certainly not clear how your "work with" relatively small scale stone projects translates to the task of planning, quarrying, shaping, transporting, lifting, and precision fitting many millions of multi-ton blocks of limestone and granite essentially without stop over a 200 year period in 3rd mill. BC Egypt in what was arguably the most massive construction project ever carried out in the history of mankind.

I don't understand how your experience doesn't make you feel any compulsion to see direct evidence that such an immense effort was even possible at that time, let alone actually happened. It takes a lot more than being inspired by obstacles, reverse engineering, and adapting the work of others, to be able to achieve that kind of work. And let's not forget to include the huge and complex infrastructure (both roadways and waterways along with transport vehicles) that needed to be planned, designed and constructed.

Have you shared your opinion about how it could be possible for Romans to create, shape, manipulate, transport, and lift those Baalbek megaliths, or to quarry dozens of 80 ton blocks of granite in Aswan, shape them to size with precision planes and squareness, transport them back and forth to the river, load them onto a ship (not to mention build a fleet of ships that can handle such loads), ship the cargo 600 miles to Giza, lift them and precision fit them into place, etc.? How about that pair of 750 ton solid granite Colossi of Memnon?

How did 3rd mill BC Egypt do the math to create those bizarre blocks in the AP?

What does your work with stone tell you was the purpose of the RCs, Antechamber, and the Granite Plugs?

What does your experience tell you is the likelihood that those pyramids were originally designed to be tombs vs...what?

Which brings me back to your point: how can you claim that your work with bricks, slate and sculpting qualifies you to participate in these discussions any more than other professionals here with equal or greater experience in industrial level engineering, heavy equipment, and construction project planning and implementation that not only requires large scale structural engineering but also complex logistics that depend heavily on what likely was a very advanced JIT supply line scheme.

How is believing whether Romans "looked at obstacles as a source of inspiration" relevant to assessing whether they had the necessary means to properly address the natural forces and complex logistic issues in order to make and move those 1600 ton blocks at Baalbek?

How did you derive the notion that the Romans were "without peer at reverse engineering and adaption", and how is that relevant to whether any of us are qualified to participate in a discussion about whether a civilization had the means to do this or that kind of large scale stone work?

To answer your question, no, I don't agree with your "simple facts". Respectfully, I think your 2 criteria are your own speculation and are irrelevant to making an assessment of whether a civilization is able to achieve such work. I think you are cutting short the true brilliance required to accomplish that work.

You asked, and I gave my opinion as respectfully as I could.

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Stuck in a time warp 387 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 227 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 322 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 235 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 209 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 499 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 191 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 417 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 459 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 224 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 488 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 453 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 283 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 302 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 306 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 316 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 217 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 248 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 341 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 328 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 254 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 316 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 482 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 218 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 261 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 369 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 270 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 189 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 365 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 226 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 442 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 217 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 459 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 288 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 382 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 263 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 234 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 303 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 282 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 232 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 370 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 359 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 284 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 286 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 342 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 538 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 261 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 386 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 357 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 281 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 217 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 196 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 394 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 183 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 204 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 223 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 378 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 201 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 300 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 299 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 383 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 267 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 347 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 350 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 220 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 400 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 260 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 279 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 195 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 273 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 296 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 250 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 198 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 305 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 347 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 356 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 357 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 384 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 412 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05