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R Avry Wilson Wrote:
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>
> What would say if I claimed, "I am the only
> authority in the world who can do proper head
> transplants." ?
>
> I would expect you to tell me I am a delusional
> nutcase, especially if I tried to make it seem I
> was indeed serious.

And you'd be wrong. First of all, I wouldn't be disrespectful to you for making that claim. Frankly, I wouldn't respond at all. I'd simply ignore your post.


> SO when Sam claims he is the
> one world authority on hieroglyphics, where is
> your skepticism? Hmm?

No idea what you mean by that. For that matter, where is my agreement? I've not voiced an opinion one way or the other. And why are you deflecting to someone else? I'm talking about your reply to my question about literal translations.


> >... in
> > my opinion, Egyptology needs a wake up call from
> > the expertise of cognate disciplines such as
> > engineering, materials science, physics, and
> > chemistry.
>
> Sure, it would help. Cross-training is very much
> worth considering. Personally, I do not think
> Egyptology has got all the correct answers, in
> fact I am thoroughly disturbed by some
> conclusions. This is a minority view, though.

Of course it would help. And part of that cross-training is communication across disciplinary boundaries. If you want to know about engineering, physics, etc., then ask people who know something about that field. And if I want to know about the translation methods used on a dead language, I ask people who who know something about those methods. How could my question about literal tranlations get you that fired up to the point of telling me I have no standing to ask the question? Especially when you just acknowledged that input from cognate fields "would help" because the "cross-training is very much worth considering"?


> > ...We see new questions about the provenance of Baalbek,
> > new complexities in G1 that further stress a 3rd
> > millennium BC provenance, scrutiny revealing doubt
> > over past decrees involving g7000x, el Jarf, boat
> > pits, the true provenance of Menkaure's "Mortuary
> > Temple", the question of whether the royal boats
> > ever actually touched a drop of water in their
> > day, etc.
>
> Questions, mind you, that come to light because
> people of little to no knowledge of the subject
> tend to create radical conclusions before getting
> the answers. The more anyone learns about
> something, the more these radical conclusions
> begin to fade away.

What "radical conclusions" are you inferring that I've made just from asking you about comparing several literal translations of the PT?

I'm curious who you are referring to by "people of little to no knowledge of the subject". And before you point to Sam, recall that we're talking about you telling me I have no standing to ask about hieroglyphic translation methods.

Meanwhile, let me tell you what I've observed here. I see discussions that present traditional beliefs which then prompt further investigations that revisit the basis behind those beliefs. These discussions often address whether due consideration has been given to real universal parameters such as mass, space, time, and energy. And very often the traditionalists get hostile when disagreement ensues.

And so, to repurpose your earlier comment, what I've observed far too often among Egytological orthodoxy at GHMB is that "people of little to no knowledge of the subject tend to create radical conclusions before getting the answers". They do not consider the intricate, complex, and precise design and construction of those structures. They don't consider the resources required to accomplish such daunting, long-term, resource intensive projects. They don't understand the forces of Nature that need to be overcome in order to create such beasts. They don't understand the economics and infrastructure required to sustain such projects over the 200 year period during which all those pyramids were allegedly constructed. And yet several of them adhere to what appears to some of us as "radical conclusions before getting the answers".


> > The narrative, the timeline, and
> > hieroglyphic translation methods are by no means
> > "settled". And if anything, I think they will
> > become far more unsettled before the dust clear.
> > In my opinion, anyone who claims otherwise is
> > trying to sell something.
>
>
> Like Sam? Like his claim he is the one world
> authority on hieroglyphs?

Again with Sam. I'm not talking about Sam. I'm talking about your claim that I have no standing to ask any questions in a field I haven't been formally trained in.


> > Avry, this is a discussion forum, and it is full
> > of people with various expertise in some areas and
> > total lack of expertise in others. That shouldn't
> > preclude our ability to ask questions across
> > disciplinary boundaries.
>
> Yes.
>
> The problem is that when people get the answers
> they seek, they refuse to accept them.

Well, sorry, but that's the deal, Avry. Where does it say that you must accept (i.e., as fact) all the answers you get? If you ask Chris Dunn what he thinks G1 is, and as a professional mechanical engineer and machinist he tells you it's a giant sonic wave generator, are you going to "accept" that answer? If you tell me G1 was designed to be a tomb in the 3rd mill BC, am I not permitted to "not accept" that answer? How is answering a question depend on whether that answer is accepted? Answering a question simply inserts additional information into the discussion. It allows others to make their own assessment. Some will read it and not understand it, others will accept it, and others will reject it (of course, others might even ignore it). Are you saying you don't like answering a question unless you're sure the questioner will agree with your answer?


> When you
> stand in line behind Sam, it makes it look like
> you're only trying to give the appearance of
> wanting to learn. A pretender.

Please show where in this discussion I've stood "in line behind Sam".


> ...If you *really* want to learn, source material
> is whereyou should start, NOT with SAM PETRY.

I haven't asked him anything about the language. Sure, in the past I've asked him about his interpretations, just as I asked you about the consistency of literal translations.


> If you continue to think HE is the one to learn from,
> what a sad, silly, state that would be. If you
> have little to no experience in these matters, you
> can no more defend Sam than you can disagree with
> me. If you know nothing of hieroglyphics, then how
> can you defend him? You are incapable of judging
> his errors because you don't have the education to
> see them.
>
> It's common sense, Philip.

You and I might have a different definition for 'common sense'. What strikes you as common sense strikes me as you starting out with a preconceived notion, and then passing each post through that filter. You don't see me arguing - or agreeing - with Sam, and yet you assume I've embraced his notions and am standing in line with him. You claim that input from other disciplines and cross-training is a good thing, but when I ask you a simple question about literal translations, you take umbrage and reject passing information across disciplines.

One doesn't need to study the language to understand that the degree of similarity between multiple, independent "literal translations" can be used as a qualitative metric that reflects the precision of the translation method(s) applied across the discipline.

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Roman capabilities 354 Warwick 18-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Roman capabilities 348 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 16:04
Re: Roman capabilities 298 Warwick 18-Apr-17 18:04
Re: Roman capabilities 333 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 18:09
ahhhh. an attack. how droll 296 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 329 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 195 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 387 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 227 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 322 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 235 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 209 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 499 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 191 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 417 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 459 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 224 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 488 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 453 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 302 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 306 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 316 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 217 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 247 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 341 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 328 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 254 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 316 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 482 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 218 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 261 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 369 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 270 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 189 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 365 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 225 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 442 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 339 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 402 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 217 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 459 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 288 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 382 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 263 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 234 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 303 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 282 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 232 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 370 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 359 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 284 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 286 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 342 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 538 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 261 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 386 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 356 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 281 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 217 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 325 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 196 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 394 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 183 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 204 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 223 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 378 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 201 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 300 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 299 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 383 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 267 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 347 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 350 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 219 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 400 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 260 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 279 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 195 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 273 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 296 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 250 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 198 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 305 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 347 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 356 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 357 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 376 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 412 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05