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R Avry Wilson Wrote:
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>
> What would say if I claimed, "I am the only
> authority in the world who can do proper head
> transplants." ?
>
> I would expect you to tell me I am a delusional
> nutcase, especially if I tried to make it seem I
> was indeed serious.

And you'd be wrong. First of all, I wouldn't be disrespectful to you for making that claim. Frankly, I wouldn't respond at all. I'd simply ignore your post.


> SO when Sam claims he is the
> one world authority on hieroglyphics, where is
> your skepticism? Hmm?

No idea what you mean by that. For that matter, where is my agreement? I've not voiced an opinion one way or the other. And why are you deflecting to someone else? I'm talking about your reply to my question about literal translations.


> >... in
> > my opinion, Egyptology needs a wake up call from
> > the expertise of cognate disciplines such as
> > engineering, materials science, physics, and
> > chemistry.
>
> Sure, it would help. Cross-training is very much
> worth considering. Personally, I do not think
> Egyptology has got all the correct answers, in
> fact I am thoroughly disturbed by some
> conclusions. This is a minority view, though.

Of course it would help. And part of that cross-training is communication across disciplinary boundaries. If you want to know about engineering, physics, etc., then ask people who know something about that field. And if I want to know about the translation methods used on a dead language, I ask people who who know something about those methods. How could my question about literal tranlations get you that fired up to the point of telling me I have no standing to ask the question? Especially when you just acknowledged that input from cognate fields "would help" because the "cross-training is very much worth considering"?


> > ...We see new questions about the provenance of Baalbek,
> > new complexities in G1 that further stress a 3rd
> > millennium BC provenance, scrutiny revealing doubt
> > over past decrees involving g7000x, el Jarf, boat
> > pits, the true provenance of Menkaure's "Mortuary
> > Temple", the question of whether the royal boats
> > ever actually touched a drop of water in their
> > day, etc.
>
> Questions, mind you, that come to light because
> people of little to no knowledge of the subject
> tend to create radical conclusions before getting
> the answers. The more anyone learns about
> something, the more these radical conclusions
> begin to fade away.

What "radical conclusions" are you inferring that I've made just from asking you about comparing several literal translations of the PT?

I'm curious who you are referring to by "people of little to no knowledge of the subject". And before you point to Sam, recall that we're talking about you telling me I have no standing to ask about hieroglyphic translation methods.

Meanwhile, let me tell you what I've observed here. I see discussions that present traditional beliefs which then prompt further investigations that revisit the basis behind those beliefs. These discussions often address whether due consideration has been given to real universal parameters such as mass, space, time, and energy. And very often the traditionalists get hostile when disagreement ensues.

And so, to repurpose your earlier comment, what I've observed far too often among Egytological orthodoxy at GHMB is that "people of little to no knowledge of the subject tend to create radical conclusions before getting the answers". They do not consider the intricate, complex, and precise design and construction of those structures. They don't consider the resources required to accomplish such daunting, long-term, resource intensive projects. They don't understand the forces of Nature that need to be overcome in order to create such beasts. They don't understand the economics and infrastructure required to sustain such projects over the 200 year period during which all those pyramids were allegedly constructed. And yet several of them adhere to what appears to some of us as "radical conclusions before getting the answers".


> > The narrative, the timeline, and
> > hieroglyphic translation methods are by no means
> > "settled". And if anything, I think they will
> > become far more unsettled before the dust clear.
> > In my opinion, anyone who claims otherwise is
> > trying to sell something.
>
>
> Like Sam? Like his claim he is the one world
> authority on hieroglyphs?

Again with Sam. I'm not talking about Sam. I'm talking about your claim that I have no standing to ask any questions in a field I haven't been formally trained in.


> > Avry, this is a discussion forum, and it is full
> > of people with various expertise in some areas and
> > total lack of expertise in others. That shouldn't
> > preclude our ability to ask questions across
> > disciplinary boundaries.
>
> Yes.
>
> The problem is that when people get the answers
> they seek, they refuse to accept them.

Well, sorry, but that's the deal, Avry. Where does it say that you must accept (i.e., as fact) all the answers you get? If you ask Chris Dunn what he thinks G1 is, and as a professional mechanical engineer and machinist he tells you it's a giant sonic wave generator, are you going to "accept" that answer? If you tell me G1 was designed to be a tomb in the 3rd mill BC, am I not permitted to "not accept" that answer? How is answering a question depend on whether that answer is accepted? Answering a question simply inserts additional information into the discussion. It allows others to make their own assessment. Some will read it and not understand it, others will accept it, and others will reject it (of course, others might even ignore it). Are you saying you don't like answering a question unless you're sure the questioner will agree with your answer?


> When you
> stand in line behind Sam, it makes it look like
> you're only trying to give the appearance of
> wanting to learn. A pretender.

Please show where in this discussion I've stood "in line behind Sam".


> ...If you *really* want to learn, source material
> is whereyou should start, NOT with SAM PETRY.

I haven't asked him anything about the language. Sure, in the past I've asked him about his interpretations, just as I asked you about the consistency of literal translations.


> If you continue to think HE is the one to learn from,
> what a sad, silly, state that would be. If you
> have little to no experience in these matters, you
> can no more defend Sam than you can disagree with
> me. If you know nothing of hieroglyphics, then how
> can you defend him? You are incapable of judging
> his errors because you don't have the education to
> see them.
>
> It's common sense, Philip.

You and I might have a different definition for 'common sense'. What strikes you as common sense strikes me as you starting out with a preconceived notion, and then passing each post through that filter. You don't see me arguing - or agreeing - with Sam, and yet you assume I've embraced his notions and am standing in line with him. You claim that input from other disciplines and cross-training is a good thing, but when I ask you a simple question about literal translations, you take umbrage and reject passing information across disciplines.

One doesn't need to study the language to understand that the degree of similarity between multiple, independent "literal translations" can be used as a qualitative metric that reflects the precision of the translation method(s) applied across the discipline.

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Roman capabilities 206 Warwick 18-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Roman capabilities 211 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 16:04
Re: Roman capabilities 158 Warwick 18-Apr-17 18:04
Re: Roman capabilities 206 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 18:09
ahhhh. an attack. how droll 150 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 210 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 89 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 247 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 125 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 208 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 106 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 195 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 109 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 237 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 108 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 152 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 249 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 88 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 266 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 346 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 131 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 320 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 225 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 255 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 160 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 206 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 184 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 192 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 187 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 203 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 97 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 144 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 205 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 182 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 140 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 186 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 274 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 94 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 149 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 224 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 165 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 74 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 115 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 155 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 84 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 183 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 103 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 108 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 170 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 109 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 249 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 108 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 206 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 161 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 187 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 87 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 171 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 172 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 177 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 105 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 171 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 266 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 161 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 99 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 152 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 104 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 154 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 143 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 126 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 202 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 187 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 136 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 215 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 216 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 153 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 176 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 149 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 185 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 222 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 151 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 212 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 221 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 150 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 157 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 105 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 218 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 168 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 94 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 214 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 92 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 105 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 125 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 257 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 100 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 168 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 170 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 183 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 280 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 140 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 172 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 228 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 221 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 118 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 231 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 119 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 159 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 91 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 166 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 176 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 121 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 90 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 167 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 135 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 222 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 222 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 154 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 81 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 164 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 232 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 252 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05