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> I understand why you say this. Try to understand
> why I say - IF the cartouches in the chambers are
> forgeries, then it cannot be said that G1 was
> built at the time you give.

Yes, if all the cartouches were fakes then this would give proponents a leg to stand on. This is one of the conditions I give in my list. Granted there are other "non-cartouche" lines of hieroglyphs which are period specific, but if all the cartouches were fakes I do not think they would have any credibility. If this interests you I suggest you read Here. Scroll down to fig18.

And I did not say the whole of G1, just from the RC and up. I don't remember where, long ago, but someone I read proposed G1 was only completed up to the KC and was used as an observatory, like others have proposed for Abu Roash or Zawyet El Aryan, and at some point the AE came along and finished it to a pyramid.

> I agree with you regarding "all the cartouches"
> but not with "the rest". Some of those markings
> are extremely different from the cartouches, in
> style and execution.

I would be interested to see you explore this which would also include the glyphs found in the "air shaft".

> This is a double edged sword. No one, alt or
> ortho, has been able to explain construction. I'm
> not sure why it's on your list, what does it have
> to do with the markings in the chambers?

We have to explain if authentic then how did they get there. There is no known access point to have done it after the fact therefore if not then it could have only happened during construction of at least that section and above.

> That wouldn't really be necessary. Are you
> speaking of the cartouche in general, or the Khufu
> cartouche?

The cartouche in general. This is the ultimate point I have tried to make. Khufu or whatever else it says inside is irrelevant as to when it was built as it is dated by the cartouche in general.

> I don't follow you on this one. Can you clarify?

If the cartouches were not put there during construction then they must have been put there after the fact. Which leaves the question how did they get in there to do this?

> Well it will probably never be dead.

Ain't that the truth.

> But now can you tell me why no one is
> understanding my questions?
> My questions are about identifying a person, the
> builder of G1.

I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think it matters to the grand picture, but I've always thought it interesting.

> A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his
> Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't
> exist.
> In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was
> known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his
> journal. At some point before 1837, it was
> determined which cartouche belonged to the builder
> of G1.

A good question.

> Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did
> they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1?
> How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse
> arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would
> they have gone on with the belief that
> chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the
> builder or the pharaoh of G1?

Explorers before Vyse, like Greaves, had read the works of the Greeks and would have known the Hellinized names associated with the Giza pharaohs. At what point those names became paired with the hieroglyphs found at Giza I don't know.

> Seriously Thanos, am I wording this badly?

Not at all. I get it and find it interesting. Where some people's brains shut off is equating this uncertainty to a predynastic origin of the builders which at this point in your search is unwarranted. If you want better traction on this I suggest keeping the two separated and when you find the answers you need then you can apply them to your ideas.

The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

> Isn't it true that first came the identification
> of the cartouche? Someone said THIS>>> look
> at THIS (pointing), it is the name of the pharaoh
> who built G1. How did they know THIS was it?

A good question. The rub, however, is that regardless of how this came to be, in the end it has still proven true as this same cartouche is found in relative abundance in the tombs of the Western (G1) Cemetery and most recently the Wadi al-Jarf papyri which at the very least associate both chick/circle guy and jug/ram guy with Giza. Not to mention the Giza grouping of cartouches are also found in the same grouping of later king lists. Before Vyse it was believed the cartouche enclosed the name of the king therefore whenever cartouches were found, regardless of who it was, it was understood it was the name of a king. If early explorers had entered the tombs of the Western Cemetery they would have seen this cartouche (or something nearly identical to it) many times in associative proximity to G1. They would have also seen it along with the jug/ram and serekh, as noted prior to Vyse, at Wadi Maghareh.


Which both chick/circle and jug/ram are found in G1.

What is curious to me, considering what you have said, is if Vyse forged the chick/circle, what would be the point of forging the jug/ram? This only confuses the issue for no apparent reason. But if so, then how did he know they belonged together not to mention the jug/ram is poorly represented at Giza if at all as I can;t think of any off the top of my head. I have to say, to accept the Khufu forgery, for sake of argument, I think it only makes sense if Vyse entered the RC and saw the jug/ram all over the place and did not like what he saw as he thought it needed to be the chick/circle to conform to what he saw in the tombs outside. At the time, directly following Vyse's discovery, it was not known for sure these represented the same person and was thought they may refer to different kings altogether which only makes Vyse's "forgery" even more unlikely if the goal was to conclusively "prove" Khufu was the builder as if by sheer numbers of cartouches it would appear the jug/ram guy was the dominant pharoah, ergo, the builder.

Anyhoo, don't get discouraged. Hopefully this helps and gives you something to think about.



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Re: Stuck in a time warp 176 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 274 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 163 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 260 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 252 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 161 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 294 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 336 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 159 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 145 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 354 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 365 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 351 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 411 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 342 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 252 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 254 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 149 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 194 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 275 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 249 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 194 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 249 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 369 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 157 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 204 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 297 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 225 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 139 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 170 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 142 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 149 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 174 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 160 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 341 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 161 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 302 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 247 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 327 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 142 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 237 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 236 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 162 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 218 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 144 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 168 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 215 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 205 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 180 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 257 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 240 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 184 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 289 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 216 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 231 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 201 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 243 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 284 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 413 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 205 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 285 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 277 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 216 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 220 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 159 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 281 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 230 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 151 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 306 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 144 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 153 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 174 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 321 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 154 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 220 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 235 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 255 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 324 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 194 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 232 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 287 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 280 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 174 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 299 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 174 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 216 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 148 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 223 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 227 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 177 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 142 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 238 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 261 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 289 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 287 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 206 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 136 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 260 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 295 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 211 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 281 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05