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> I understand why you say this. Try to understand
> why I say - IF the cartouches in the chambers are
> forgeries, then it cannot be said that G1 was
> built at the time you give.

Yes, if all the cartouches were fakes then this would give proponents a leg to stand on. This is one of the conditions I give in my list. Granted there are other "non-cartouche" lines of hieroglyphs which are period specific, but if all the cartouches were fakes I do not think they would have any credibility. If this interests you I suggest you read Here. Scroll down to fig18.

And I did not say the whole of G1, just from the RC and up. I don't remember where, long ago, but someone I read proposed G1 was only completed up to the KC and was used as an observatory, like others have proposed for Abu Roash or Zawyet El Aryan, and at some point the AE came along and finished it to a pyramid.

> I agree with you regarding "all the cartouches"
> but not with "the rest". Some of those markings
> are extremely different from the cartouches, in
> style and execution.

I would be interested to see you explore this which would also include the glyphs found in the "air shaft".

> This is a double edged sword. No one, alt or
> ortho, has been able to explain construction. I'm
> not sure why it's on your list, what does it have
> to do with the markings in the chambers?

We have to explain if authentic then how did they get there. There is no known access point to have done it after the fact therefore if not then it could have only happened during construction of at least that section and above.

> That wouldn't really be necessary. Are you
> speaking of the cartouche in general, or the Khufu
> cartouche?

The cartouche in general. This is the ultimate point I have tried to make. Khufu or whatever else it says inside is irrelevant as to when it was built as it is dated by the cartouche in general.

> I don't follow you on this one. Can you clarify?

If the cartouches were not put there during construction then they must have been put there after the fact. Which leaves the question how did they get in there to do this?

> Well it will probably never be dead.

Ain't that the truth.

> But now can you tell me why no one is
> understanding my questions?
> My questions are about identifying a person, the
> builder of G1.

I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think it matters to the grand picture, but I've always thought it interesting.

> A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his
> Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't
> exist.
> In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was
> known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his
> journal. At some point before 1837, it was
> determined which cartouche belonged to the builder
> of G1.

A good question.

> Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did
> they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1?
> How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse
> arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would
> they have gone on with the belief that
> chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the
> builder or the pharaoh of G1?

Explorers before Vyse, like Greaves, had read the works of the Greeks and would have known the Hellinized names associated with the Giza pharaohs. At what point those names became paired with the hieroglyphs found at Giza I don't know.

> Seriously Thanos, am I wording this badly?

Not at all. I get it and find it interesting. Where some people's brains shut off is equating this uncertainty to a predynastic origin of the builders which at this point in your search is unwarranted. If you want better traction on this I suggest keeping the two separated and when you find the answers you need then you can apply them to your ideas.

The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

> Isn't it true that first came the identification
> of the cartouche? Someone said THIS>>> look
> at THIS (pointing), it is the name of the pharaoh
> who built G1. How did they know THIS was it?

A good question. The rub, however, is that regardless of how this came to be, in the end it has still proven true as this same cartouche is found in relative abundance in the tombs of the Western (G1) Cemetery and most recently the Wadi al-Jarf papyri which at the very least associate both chick/circle guy and jug/ram guy with Giza. Not to mention the Giza grouping of cartouches are also found in the same grouping of later king lists. Before Vyse it was believed the cartouche enclosed the name of the king therefore whenever cartouches were found, regardless of who it was, it was understood it was the name of a king. If early explorers had entered the tombs of the Western Cemetery they would have seen this cartouche (or something nearly identical to it) many times in associative proximity to G1. They would have also seen it along with the jug/ram and serekh, as noted prior to Vyse, at Wadi Maghareh.


Which both chick/circle and jug/ram are found in G1.

What is curious to me, considering what you have said, is if Vyse forged the chick/circle, what would be the point of forging the jug/ram? This only confuses the issue for no apparent reason. But if so, then how did he know they belonged together not to mention the jug/ram is poorly represented at Giza if at all as I can;t think of any off the top of my head. I have to say, to accept the Khufu forgery, for sake of argument, I think it only makes sense if Vyse entered the RC and saw the jug/ram all over the place and did not like what he saw as he thought it needed to be the chick/circle to conform to what he saw in the tombs outside. At the time, directly following Vyse's discovery, it was not known for sure these represented the same person and was thought they may refer to different kings altogether which only makes Vyse's "forgery" even more unlikely if the goal was to conclusively "prove" Khufu was the builder as if by sheer numbers of cartouches it would appear the jug/ram guy was the dominant pharoah, ergo, the builder.

Anyhoo, don't get discouraged. Hopefully this helps and gives you something to think about.



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Re: Stuck in a time warp 198 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 307 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 216 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 283 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 193 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 325 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 358 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 469 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 351 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 183 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 262 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 381 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 428 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 209 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 375 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 454 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 415 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 266 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 288 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 295 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 182 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 230 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 307 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 313 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 224 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 282 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 422 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 198 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 244 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 348 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 254 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 174 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 202 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 239 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 165 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 179 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 209 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 194 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 396 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 179 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 254 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 180 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 321 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 426 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 276 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 196 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 264 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 349 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 366 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 181 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 225 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 249 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 231 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 210 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 282 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 269 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 205 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 346 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 338 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 259 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 272 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 238 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 316 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 500 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 237 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 368 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 324 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 260 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 257 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 187 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 306 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 255 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 169 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 366 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 164 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 175 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 209 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 349 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 172 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 260 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 277 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 285 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 352 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 236 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 260 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 318 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 324 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 205 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 373 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 232 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 244 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 179 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 257 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 262 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 233 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 178 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 271 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 321 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 341 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 358 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 161 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 318 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 228 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 326 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 299 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05