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> I understand why you say this. Try to understand
> why I say - IF the cartouches in the chambers are
> forgeries, then it cannot be said that G1 was
> built at the time you give.

Yes, if all the cartouches were fakes then this would give proponents a leg to stand on. This is one of the conditions I give in my list. Granted there are other "non-cartouche" lines of hieroglyphs which are period specific, but if all the cartouches were fakes I do not think they would have any credibility. If this interests you I suggest you read Here. Scroll down to fig18.

And I did not say the whole of G1, just from the RC and up. I don't remember where, long ago, but someone I read proposed G1 was only completed up to the KC and was used as an observatory, like others have proposed for Abu Roash or Zawyet El Aryan, and at some point the AE came along and finished it to a pyramid.

> I agree with you regarding "all the cartouches"
> but not with "the rest". Some of those markings
> are extremely different from the cartouches, in
> style and execution.

I would be interested to see you explore this which would also include the glyphs found in the "air shaft".

> This is a double edged sword. No one, alt or
> ortho, has been able to explain construction. I'm
> not sure why it's on your list, what does it have
> to do with the markings in the chambers?

We have to explain if authentic then how did they get there. There is no known access point to have done it after the fact therefore if not then it could have only happened during construction of at least that section and above.

> That wouldn't really be necessary. Are you
> speaking of the cartouche in general, or the Khufu
> cartouche?

The cartouche in general. This is the ultimate point I have tried to make. Khufu or whatever else it says inside is irrelevant as to when it was built as it is dated by the cartouche in general.

> I don't follow you on this one. Can you clarify?

If the cartouches were not put there during construction then they must have been put there after the fact. Which leaves the question how did they get in there to do this?

> Well it will probably never be dead.

Ain't that the truth.

> But now can you tell me why no one is
> understanding my questions?
> My questions are about identifying a person, the
> builder of G1.

I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think it matters to the grand picture, but I've always thought it interesting.

> A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his
> Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't
> exist.
> In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was
> known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his
> journal. At some point before 1837, it was
> determined which cartouche belonged to the builder
> of G1.

A good question.

> Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did
> they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1?
> How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse
> arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would
> they have gone on with the belief that
> chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the
> builder or the pharaoh of G1?

Explorers before Vyse, like Greaves, had read the works of the Greeks and would have known the Hellinized names associated with the Giza pharaohs. At what point those names became paired with the hieroglyphs found at Giza I don't know.

> Seriously Thanos, am I wording this badly?

Not at all. I get it and find it interesting. Where some people's brains shut off is equating this uncertainty to a predynastic origin of the builders which at this point in your search is unwarranted. If you want better traction on this I suggest keeping the two separated and when you find the answers you need then you can apply them to your ideas.

The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

> Isn't it true that first came the identification
> of the cartouche? Someone said THIS>>> look
> at THIS (pointing), it is the name of the pharaoh
> who built G1. How did they know THIS was it?

A good question. The rub, however, is that regardless of how this came to be, in the end it has still proven true as this same cartouche is found in relative abundance in the tombs of the Western (G1) Cemetery and most recently the Wadi al-Jarf papyri which at the very least associate both chick/circle guy and jug/ram guy with Giza. Not to mention the Giza grouping of cartouches are also found in the same grouping of later king lists. Before Vyse it was believed the cartouche enclosed the name of the king therefore whenever cartouches were found, regardless of who it was, it was understood it was the name of a king. If early explorers had entered the tombs of the Western Cemetery they would have seen this cartouche (or something nearly identical to it) many times in associative proximity to G1. They would have also seen it along with the jug/ram and serekh, as noted prior to Vyse, at Wadi Maghareh.


Which both chick/circle and jug/ram are found in G1.

What is curious to me, considering what you have said, is if Vyse forged the chick/circle, what would be the point of forging the jug/ram? This only confuses the issue for no apparent reason. But if so, then how did he know they belonged together not to mention the jug/ram is poorly represented at Giza if at all as I can;t think of any off the top of my head. I have to say, to accept the Khufu forgery, for sake of argument, I think it only makes sense if Vyse entered the RC and saw the jug/ram all over the place and did not like what he saw as he thought it needed to be the chick/circle to conform to what he saw in the tombs outside. At the time, directly following Vyse's discovery, it was not known for sure these represented the same person and was thought they may refer to different kings altogether which only makes Vyse's "forgery" even more unlikely if the goal was to conclusively "prove" Khufu was the builder as if by sheer numbers of cartouches it would appear the jug/ram guy was the dominant pharoah, ergo, the builder.

Anyhoo, don't get discouraged. Hopefully this helps and gives you something to think about.



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Re: Stuck in a time warp 155 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
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Re: Stuck in a time warp 138 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 230 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 138 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 274 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 361 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 138 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 188 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 121 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 343 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 384 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 159 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 325 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 373 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 200 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 215 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 225 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 227 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 234 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 129 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 174 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 248 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 227 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 166 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 223 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 331 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 129 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 184 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 271 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 200 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 112 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 148 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 186 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 120 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 215 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 123 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 144 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 202 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 136 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 137 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 275 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 247 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 194 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 119 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 207 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 329 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 139 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 201 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 122 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 140 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 185 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 183 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 157 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 233 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 217 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 163 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 262 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 264 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 189 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 212 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 175 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 216 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 259 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 361 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 184 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 255 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 195 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 192 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 133 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 260 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 208 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 126 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 263 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 120 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 132 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 154 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 296 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 133 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 193 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 204 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 230 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 305 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 173 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 206 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 263 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 252 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 154 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 271 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 151 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 197 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 119 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 202 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 206 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 156 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 118 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 207 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 232 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 169 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 263 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 261 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 186 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 275 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 107 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 236 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 191 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 255 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05