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> I understand why you say this. Try to understand
> why I say - IF the cartouches in the chambers are
> forgeries, then it cannot be said that G1 was
> built at the time you give.

Yes, if all the cartouches were fakes then this would give proponents a leg to stand on. This is one of the conditions I give in my list. Granted there are other "non-cartouche" lines of hieroglyphs which are period specific, but if all the cartouches were fakes I do not think they would have any credibility. If this interests you I suggest you read Here. Scroll down to fig18.

And I did not say the whole of G1, just from the RC and up. I don't remember where, long ago, but someone I read proposed G1 was only completed up to the KC and was used as an observatory, like others have proposed for Abu Roash or Zawyet El Aryan, and at some point the AE came along and finished it to a pyramid.

> I agree with you regarding "all the cartouches"
> but not with "the rest". Some of those markings
> are extremely different from the cartouches, in
> style and execution.

I would be interested to see you explore this which would also include the glyphs found in the "air shaft".

> This is a double edged sword. No one, alt or
> ortho, has been able to explain construction. I'm
> not sure why it's on your list, what does it have
> to do with the markings in the chambers?

We have to explain if authentic then how did they get there. There is no known access point to have done it after the fact therefore if not then it could have only happened during construction of at least that section and above.

> That wouldn't really be necessary. Are you
> speaking of the cartouche in general, or the Khufu
> cartouche?

The cartouche in general. This is the ultimate point I have tried to make. Khufu or whatever else it says inside is irrelevant as to when it was built as it is dated by the cartouche in general.

> I don't follow you on this one. Can you clarify?

If the cartouches were not put there during construction then they must have been put there after the fact. Which leaves the question how did they get in there to do this?

> Well it will probably never be dead.

Ain't that the truth.

> But now can you tell me why no one is
> understanding my questions?
> My questions are about identifying a person, the
> builder of G1.

I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think it matters to the grand picture, but I've always thought it interesting.

> A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his
> Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't
> exist.
> In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was
> known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his
> journal. At some point before 1837, it was
> determined which cartouche belonged to the builder
> of G1.

A good question.

> Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did
> they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1?
> How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse
> arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would
> they have gone on with the belief that
> chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the
> builder or the pharaoh of G1?

Explorers before Vyse, like Greaves, had read the works of the Greeks and would have known the Hellinized names associated with the Giza pharaohs. At what point those names became paired with the hieroglyphs found at Giza I don't know.

> Seriously Thanos, am I wording this badly?

Not at all. I get it and find it interesting. Where some people's brains shut off is equating this uncertainty to a predynastic origin of the builders which at this point in your search is unwarranted. If you want better traction on this I suggest keeping the two separated and when you find the answers you need then you can apply them to your ideas.

The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

> Isn't it true that first came the identification
> of the cartouche? Someone said THIS>>> look
> at THIS (pointing), it is the name of the pharaoh
> who built G1. How did they know THIS was it?

A good question. The rub, however, is that regardless of how this came to be, in the end it has still proven true as this same cartouche is found in relative abundance in the tombs of the Western (G1) Cemetery and most recently the Wadi al-Jarf papyri which at the very least associate both chick/circle guy and jug/ram guy with Giza. Not to mention the Giza grouping of cartouches are also found in the same grouping of later king lists. Before Vyse it was believed the cartouche enclosed the name of the king therefore whenever cartouches were found, regardless of who it was, it was understood it was the name of a king. If early explorers had entered the tombs of the Western Cemetery they would have seen this cartouche (or something nearly identical to it) many times in associative proximity to G1. They would have also seen it along with the jug/ram and serekh, as noted prior to Vyse, at Wadi Maghareh.


Which both chick/circle and jug/ram are found in G1.

What is curious to me, considering what you have said, is if Vyse forged the chick/circle, what would be the point of forging the jug/ram? This only confuses the issue for no apparent reason. But if so, then how did he know they belonged together not to mention the jug/ram is poorly represented at Giza if at all as I can;t think of any off the top of my head. I have to say, to accept the Khufu forgery, for sake of argument, I think it only makes sense if Vyse entered the RC and saw the jug/ram all over the place and did not like what he saw as he thought it needed to be the chick/circle to conform to what he saw in the tombs outside. At the time, directly following Vyse's discovery, it was not known for sure these represented the same person and was thought they may refer to different kings altogether which only makes Vyse's "forgery" even more unlikely if the goal was to conclusively "prove" Khufu was the builder as if by sheer numbers of cartouches it would appear the jug/ram guy was the dominant pharoah, ergo, the builder.

Anyhoo, don't get discouraged. Hopefully this helps and gives you something to think about.



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Re: Stuck in a time warp 167 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 259 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 152 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 248 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 153 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 284 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 321 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 289 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 149 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 200 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 133 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 338 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 171 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 340 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 397 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 286 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 325 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 229 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 236 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 240 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 245 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 141 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 186 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 263 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 238 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 185 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 236 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 349 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 146 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 197 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 288 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 214 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 129 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 158 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 198 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 133 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 133 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 160 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 148 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 326 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 150 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 263 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 207 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 312 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 134 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 223 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 347 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 151 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 216 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 321 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 204 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 135 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 195 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 157 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 200 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 195 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 171 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 247 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 232 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 174 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 284 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 280 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 204 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 223 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 190 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 230 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 273 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 386 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 196 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 270 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 268 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 207 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 207 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 148 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 273 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 218 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 139 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 134 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 146 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 163 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 312 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 145 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 208 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 220 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 246 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 311 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 187 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 225 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 279 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 269 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 168 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 289 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 164 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 209 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 134 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 218 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 218 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 170 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 129 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 221 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 185 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 277 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 277 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 198 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 119 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 202 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 309 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 272 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05