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> I understand why you say this. Try to understand
> why I say - IF the cartouches in the chambers are
> forgeries, then it cannot be said that G1 was
> built at the time you give.

Yes, if all the cartouches were fakes then this would give proponents a leg to stand on. This is one of the conditions I give in my list. Granted there are other "non-cartouche" lines of hieroglyphs which are period specific, but if all the cartouches were fakes I do not think they would have any credibility. If this interests you I suggest you read Here. Scroll down to fig18.

And I did not say the whole of G1, just from the RC and up. I don't remember where, long ago, but someone I read proposed G1 was only completed up to the KC and was used as an observatory, like others have proposed for Abu Roash or Zawyet El Aryan, and at some point the AE came along and finished it to a pyramid.

> I agree with you regarding "all the cartouches"
> but not with "the rest". Some of those markings
> are extremely different from the cartouches, in
> style and execution.

I would be interested to see you explore this which would also include the glyphs found in the "air shaft".

> This is a double edged sword. No one, alt or
> ortho, has been able to explain construction. I'm
> not sure why it's on your list, what does it have
> to do with the markings in the chambers?

We have to explain if authentic then how did they get there. There is no known access point to have done it after the fact therefore if not then it could have only happened during construction of at least that section and above.

> That wouldn't really be necessary. Are you
> speaking of the cartouche in general, or the Khufu
> cartouche?

The cartouche in general. This is the ultimate point I have tried to make. Khufu or whatever else it says inside is irrelevant as to when it was built as it is dated by the cartouche in general.

> I don't follow you on this one. Can you clarify?

If the cartouches were not put there during construction then they must have been put there after the fact. Which leaves the question how did they get in there to do this?

> Well it will probably never be dead.

Ain't that the truth.

> But now can you tell me why no one is
> understanding my questions?
> My questions are about identifying a person, the
> builder of G1.

I understand what you are trying to say. I just don't think it matters to the grand picture, but I've always thought it interesting.

> A thought experiment : forget about Vyse and his
> Khufu cartouche in Campbells. Pretend it doesn't
> exist.
> In 1837 the cartouche of the builder of G1 was
> known, obviously because Vyse wrote it in his
> journal. At some point before 1837, it was
> determined which cartouche belonged to the builder
> of G1.

A good question.

> Of all the cartouches on the Giza plateau, how did
> they know WHICH one belonged to the builder of G1?
> How did they know this in 1835 before Vyse
> arrived? If he had never found the chamber, would
> they have gone on with the belief that
> chick+viper+chick+circle was the name of the
> builder or the pharaoh of G1?

Explorers before Vyse, like Greaves, had read the works of the Greeks and would have known the Hellinized names associated with the Giza pharaohs. At what point those names became paired with the hieroglyphs found at Giza I don't know.

> Seriously Thanos, am I wording this badly?

Not at all. I get it and find it interesting. Where some people's brains shut off is equating this uncertainty to a predynastic origin of the builders which at this point in your search is unwarranted. If you want better traction on this I suggest keeping the two separated and when you find the answers you need then you can apply them to your ideas.

The oldest association I know relating "Suphis" (Cheops) with "Khufu" is from 1834 (1832?), I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia, which Scott notes in his latest book. The question is how did Rosellini come to this conclusion?

> Isn't it true that first came the identification
> of the cartouche? Someone said THIS>>> look
> at THIS (pointing), it is the name of the pharaoh
> who built G1. How did they know THIS was it?

A good question. The rub, however, is that regardless of how this came to be, in the end it has still proven true as this same cartouche is found in relative abundance in the tombs of the Western (G1) Cemetery and most recently the Wadi al-Jarf papyri which at the very least associate both chick/circle guy and jug/ram guy with Giza. Not to mention the Giza grouping of cartouches are also found in the same grouping of later king lists. Before Vyse it was believed the cartouche enclosed the name of the king therefore whenever cartouches were found, regardless of who it was, it was understood it was the name of a king. If early explorers had entered the tombs of the Western Cemetery they would have seen this cartouche (or something nearly identical to it) many times in associative proximity to G1. They would have also seen it along with the jug/ram and serekh, as noted prior to Vyse, at Wadi Maghareh.


Which both chick/circle and jug/ram are found in G1.

What is curious to me, considering what you have said, is if Vyse forged the chick/circle, what would be the point of forging the jug/ram? This only confuses the issue for no apparent reason. But if so, then how did he know they belonged together not to mention the jug/ram is poorly represented at Giza if at all as I can;t think of any off the top of my head. I have to say, to accept the Khufu forgery, for sake of argument, I think it only makes sense if Vyse entered the RC and saw the jug/ram all over the place and did not like what he saw as he thought it needed to be the chick/circle to conform to what he saw in the tombs outside. At the time, directly following Vyse's discovery, it was not known for sure these represented the same person and was thought they may refer to different kings altogether which only makes Vyse's "forgery" even more unlikely if the goal was to conclusively "prove" Khufu was the builder as if by sheer numbers of cartouches it would appear the jug/ram guy was the dominant pharoah, ergo, the builder.

Anyhoo, don't get discouraged. Hopefully this helps and gives you something to think about.



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Re: Stuck in a time warp 192 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 289 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 195 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 271 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 263 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 175 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 306 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 441 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 227 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 331 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 158 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 374 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 190 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 366 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 391 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 262 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 272 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 277 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 174 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 214 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 298 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 290 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 215 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 262 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 401 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 182 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 227 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 329 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 237 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 157 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 155 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 174 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 172 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 314 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 289 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 163 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 295 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 342 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 349 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 163 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 218 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 241 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 220 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 193 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 275 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 253 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 196 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 324 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 328 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 239 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 258 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 224 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 471 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 219 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 341 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 240 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 240 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 180 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 249 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 162 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 338 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 154 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 170 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 191 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 342 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 166 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 241 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 256 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 268 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 341 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 213 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 242 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 297 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 303 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 185 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 347 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 221 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 239 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 160 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 241 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 254 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 211 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 158 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 261 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 309 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 313 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 221 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 153 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05