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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 383 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 157 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 370 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 266 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 198 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 224 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 225 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 233 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 127 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 172 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 246 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 226 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 164 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 221 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 327 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 128 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 182 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 269 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 197 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 110 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 145 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 184 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 118 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 122 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 142 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 201 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 135 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 135 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 274 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 192 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 219 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 116 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 211 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 328 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 204 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 138 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 200 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 294 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 306 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 191 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 121 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 179 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 138 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 183 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 182 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 155 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 232 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 216 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 161 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 260 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 261 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 188 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 211 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 174 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 214 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 258 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 358 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 182 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 252 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 254 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 194 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 191 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 131 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 258 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 206 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 125 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 261 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 119 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 131 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 151 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 293 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 132 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 192 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 202 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 228 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 304 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 172 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 205 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 262 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 251 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 153 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 270 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 150 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 195 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 118 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 200 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 205 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 154 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 117 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 206 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 230 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 168 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 261 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 260 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 184 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 278 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 106 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 190 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 262 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 254 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05