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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 432 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 472 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 235 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 418 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 518 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 410 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 491 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 298 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 298 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 313 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 317 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 330 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 232 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 269 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 354 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 354 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 266 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 331 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 496 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 248 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 272 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 400 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 282 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 208 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 246 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 214 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 378 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 210 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 258 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 241 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 462 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 221 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 358 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 318 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 328 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 413 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 231 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 486 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 304 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 252 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 294 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 393 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 405 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 295 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 298 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 288 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 257 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 315 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 293 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 246 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 389 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 376 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 296 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 338 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 281 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 296 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 360 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 568 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 274 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 401 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 375 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 304 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 307 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 232 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 337 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 301 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 210 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 410 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 194 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 218 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 239 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 391 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 214 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 284 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 322 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 312 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 394 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 281 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 298 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 360 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 360 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 245 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 415 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 269 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 290 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 207 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 288 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 310 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 260 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 220 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 321 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 261 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 362 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 369 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 207 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 330 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 362 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 390 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 427 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 368 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05