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Hi Audrey


Audrey Wrote:
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> Thanks guys, those of you who think my post is
> worth thinking about.

Please let me also offer my belated praise, 'join the chorus', of appreciation for at least demonstrating considerable thought and effort, even though it is from a critical standpoint. You know I have offered such (albeit likely worthless) in the past.


>
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Warwick
> Roth may be guilty of overworking the problem,
> BUT, to suppose that her finite conclusions being
> wrong has any bearing on how the Vyse cartouche
> fits into all this is to propose a false
> dichotomy
>
> "Overworking" is an understatement. It is the
> orthos who have used Roth as a way to authenticate
> the cartouche. If you see a "false dichotomy" I
> assume you are intelligent enough to say where you
> see it. If not, we can discard your "dichotomy".

I also have some difficulty in reaching consensus with Roth's hypothesis regarding the meaning of the distribution of the hieratic (or if you prefer cursive hieroglyphs) in the chambers. She might be dead wrong, but at least she looks at what is there and tries to figure a rationale for it and it's significance. Rather than trying to speculate about what is not there!

Her work is as far as I know hasn't specifically been used directly "as a way to authenticate the cartouche". I suspect you mean the famous CC one.

>
> You are not understanding the debate. Let's try a
> mind experiment....

I realise this was addressed to Warwick , excuse me for interjecting when time permits. It seems this thread is still mainly all about justifying grand forgery on a major scale?

> Pretend Vyse never found markings in G1, pretend
> they don't exist. Set aside your convictions (if
> possible) and tell us how.... of all the
> cartouches found on the plateau....anyone would
> know which one belonged to the builder of G1? HOW
> could one tell if a particular cartouche was
> Cheops/Suphis?


Audrey, I am aware this has been answered several times before directly to your questions.

Do you think somehow that as of 1837 the Khufu cartouche was not known?
If so, i.e. not known, how could Vyse possibly forge it?

Does "Rosellini's 'I monumenti dell'Egitto e della Nubia' vol. 1 (1832)" ring any bells?

However, does not mean, of itself, he built G1, or does it?


>
> Is it not true that in Vyse's time there was, and
> had been for a very long time, a search for the
> ones who built the great pyramids? Is it not true
> that finding the name of the builders would unlock
> the mysteries of the pyramids? Is it not true that
> every author from Scaligerie to Vyse, including
> Wilkinson & Champolliion & Kircher, had sought the
> answer to the question of who built the pyramids?
> Was this not a main quest at the time? Isn't it a
> big key in establishing Egypt's chronology and
> consequently the chronology for all of the ancient
> east?

True, they wanted to know who built them. However, these "alts" you talk of, seem obsessed with the notion that the CC cartouche is the main and seemingly only identifier. It definitely is not the sole "key establishing Egypt's chronology ..."

>
> Without this key, without Vyse's "discovery", they
> would still be searching for the ones who built
> the pyramids. Is it not this key that set the
> stage for the understanding of Egypt's history?

Serious question please consider (and answer) for your own benefit:

Do you dispute all the links found between a family dynasty of kings queens relations of Sneferu, Khufu, (Djedefre), Khafre, Menkaure?

Do you dispute that later AE' people wrote and considered great pyramids to belong to that dynasty?
Whether they forged the inscriptions on statues etc or NOT is there evidence later dynastic AE thought they built them?

If so, then how much did Vyse know about that in 1837?




>
> And if this key is the wrong key, if it is not in
> fact the builder of G1, wouldn't they be back to
> square one, still searching for it? And if the key
> doesn't fit, then wouldn't ALL their conclusions
> about the Giza plateau be incorrect since ALL is
> based on this one key?


Depending on your answers above, you "alts" might hope so, but regardless of that definitely NO!


Some more questions that might help in the underlying point of your thread.

Why would Vyse concoct many many forgeries (has to be all of the legible hieratic)in such a way that which opens up to the intriguing speculation about the meaning of the distribution of such which Roth attempts to resolve with her hypothesis?

How could the A Alford now claimed by SC as his original guess 'at finding secret documents, talk of such distribution of such names! Didn't it have a story or some other juicy stuff to copy? Why didn't Vyse &Co think such all ought have for his purpose the more recognisable (at the time) Khufu cartouche or modify them to be so, if tht was his sole intent?

Finally, how did he possibly know the Horus name could be written outside of a serekh, and/or otherwise not inclosed, in a cartouche? If in a "secret document" then how did he read it?

Cheers

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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 374 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
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Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 421 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 190 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 366 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 391 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 285 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 253 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 262 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 272 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 277 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 174 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 214 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 298 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 290 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 215 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 262 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 402 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 182 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 227 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 329 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 237 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 157 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 193 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 155 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 296 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 174 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 199 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 243 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 176 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 172 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 314 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 289 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 245 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 273 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 367 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 163 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 268 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 295 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 401 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 180 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 342 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 349 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 163 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 218 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 241 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 220 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 193 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 275 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 253 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 196 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 324 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 328 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 239 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 258 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 224 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 253 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 297 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 471 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 219 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 341 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 240 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 240 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 180 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 249 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 163 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 338 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 155 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 170 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 191 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 342 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 166 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 241 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 256 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 268 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 341 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 213 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 242 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 297 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 303 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 185 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 347 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 221 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 239 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 160 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 241 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 254 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 211 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 158 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 261 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 282 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 309 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 313 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 221 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 337 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 153 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 279 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 308 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 222 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 290 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 00:05