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As far as I understand the nautical phyle notion, and I'm sure I'll be corrected, is that the AE crews on boats were named according to the section of the boat they were responsible for. I don't know boat terminology, so I'll just say the sections were basically four, front and back and the two sides. Ann Roth extended the nautical crew names to land construction, such as G1, claiming the crews were assigned according to the compass points; north, south, east and west. One crew working on the north side of the pyramid, etc.
An ortho here said Roth had conducted an "exhaustive study of all the crew marks in the relieving chambers". The orthos on this board have used Ann Roth and her phyles to substantiate the authenticity of the Khufu cartouche. The logic being Vyse could not have known about phyle names therefore he couldn't have forged it. Out of curiosity, I thought I'd double check Roth to see just how exhaustively she studied the marks in the chambers. This is what Roth gives as a result of her exhaustive study.....



Which cartouche is where? Which are on a north wall? South, etc.?

Here is her explanation :
The distribution of the gang names on the walls of the relieving chambers is an interesting foreshadowing of later developments. In each chamber, the blocks of the north side are marked with one gang name and those of the south side with another, while the end walls are divided in half and the blocks are marked with the name of the gang whose name is on the nearest side wall. This distribution is presented schematically in figure 7.2. The pattern suggests that the pyramid was constructed by gangs whose responsibility was divided between its northern and southern halves.

To say this "distribution is presented schematically in figure 7.2" is a stretch of the imagination. Although worded very poorly, what she's doing is dividing the chambers into quadrants, the end walls (east & west) were divided in half, or so she thinks. So the left side of the east wall would be closest to the north side wall and these two walls were worked by the same gang. I've made these walls pink in my diagram. The right side of the east end wall would be closest to the south side wall (lavender).

The left side of the west wall would be closest to the south wall (green), and the right side of the west wall would be closest to the north wall (blue). Like I've illustrated here....

How about those graphics! Cut me some slack here, I'm using a basic drawing program.

Instead of pointing out each phyle and the discrepancies in her statement, I'll let you examine the placement of the phyles for yourself. I have not marked which names are in which chamber, that is irrelevant. What is relevant to examining Roth's conclusion, is which walls the phyles are on - north, south, east or west.

The 3 gangs (phyles) present in the chambers (according to egyptologists) :
1. White Crown Khnum-Khuf is powerful gang
2. Pure Ones of the Hor Medjedu gang
3. Friends/Companions of Khufu gang

The Walls :
SOUTH walls have: White Crown & Pure Ones & Friends of Khufu (3 different names)
NORTH walls have : White Crown - which is spelled 4 different ways. Details (shakes head)
EAST walls have : one illegible something
WEST walls have : White Crown & Pure Ones (2 different names) or maybe 3 names

But we needn't know the translation of the phyles, because just by looking at their placement would tell us which gangs worked where, no matter what the name was, if they were indeed assigned to the cardinal directions, (according to Roth's idea}

So the White Crown gang appears on south, north and west walls. Following Roth's idea, the White Crown gang worked on 3 different directions, but this goes against what she stated. I call it her "idea" because by now her statements are not looking like a hypothesis much less a theory.

There is another major problem; since there are no names on the east wall of any chamber, we have no idea what gang worked on those. That cuts out 2 quadrants from the plate of evidence we are expected to eat of. Now we are left with only 2 quadrants, north-west and south-west, that can provide us with the evidence necessary for an exhaustive study.

A 3rd quadrant, south-west, must also be taken off the plate for it does not abide by Roth's now fanciful imagination. In fact, her entire phyle thingy falls apart in this quadrant. How are we to conduct an exhaustive study if we only have 2 walls out of 8 to evaluate? We are now at a dead end, we cannot pursue this 'hypothesis' further because the evidence isn't there. Evidently Roth based her conclusions on the north-west walls only.

But that doesn't deter Roth who takes it further.....

"It should be noted that the blocks marked with the gang name based on the name Khufu are on a higher course of masonry than the blocks marked with the Khnum-Khufu gang on the northern wall of the same chamber, so that there may also have been a new gang assigned to the north wall (not preserved in the evidence) at the same time as a new gang came to work on the southern wall."

This is nothing but a guess in an attempt to explain one of the discrepancies in her by now, exhausted study. On the north walls the gang name is spelled 4 different ways, some with 5 glyphs and some with 6. And they're not in the same order.

The south walls add a 5th way of spelling. And this she would explain away with "a new gang come to work".
She goes on......

"This patterning of gang names has interesting implications for the study of how pyramids were built. "

But there is no patterning. There are similarities in glyphs on the north and south walls and that's all. As is the usual practice, the variations are explained away as different spellings of the same name, or are yet another name the king possessed.
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my favorite author c.1863
The most vulnerable point in Egyptology is the facility with which it "identifies" a hieroglyphic name, found anywhere, with any historical personage unprovided with a monument. Hieroglyphs afford a delightful latitude for these experiments : they are read backward or forward, upward or downward, from centre to flank, or from flank to centre, at the pleasure of the artist, or the interpreter. Many of the phonetic characters stand for more letters than one, and all the symbolical ones may be variously interpreted ; so that it may be truly said of this study that the vowels go for nothing, and any consonant may be changed into another. It would be hard if, with such advantages, monumental evidence could not be found. In point of fact, a large proportion of modern "identifications" consists of such mere resemblances, arbitrarily brought together, and as arbitrarily removed when a different hypothesis requires a new arrangement. We have names slipped a thousand years up or down the chronological scale at pleasure ; and it is quite common with Baron Bunsen to assign as a proof of identity, that no other place fits so well. He might as well take his readers into Moses' shop, and asseverate that the best fit was made to their own measure.
But to continue with Roth.........

"The fact that the gangs changed during the construction of these chambers implies that gangs or even crews served in a rotation of some sort; if more evidence for this rotation could be found elsewhere, it might provide a useful guide to the rate of construction."

Now she's stating it as FACT. The gangs changed during construction, well they must have because the distribution isn't as she claims it should be. So since the "pattern" doesn't follow her idea, she has now made up two more facts; the gangs changed during construction AND they rotated. Now everything fits into her theory/hypothesis/idea.

And what is a RATE of construction?

In conclusion, considering the lack of evidence in the chambers, Vyse could not have known about the phyle names because they are not phyle names. They have nothing to do with north or south or east or west.

We are witness to the birth of a myth that will be touted as FACT for probably the next 100 years.
Whew! I'm exhausted. You guys will have to take up this extensive study.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Roman capabilities 338 Warwick 18-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Roman capabilities 336 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 16:04
Re: Roman capabilities 282 Warwick 18-Apr-17 18:04
Re: Roman capabilities 323 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 18:09
ahhhh. an attack. how droll 274 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 309 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 171 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 350 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 204 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 312 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 226 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 286 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 291 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 202 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 332 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 364 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 481 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 189 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 274 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 345 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 184 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 387 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 395 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 435 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 216 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 380 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 463 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 386 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 427 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 271 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 298 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 278 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 299 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 305 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 191 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 235 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 312 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 319 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 231 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 292 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 435 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 205 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 253 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 358 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 263 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 183 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 250 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 170 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 338 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 186 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 216 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 255 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 198 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 400 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 186 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 329 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 321 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 261 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 301 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 185 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 307 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 328 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 440 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 203 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 270 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 355 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 374 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 259 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 188 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 230 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 238 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 222 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 290 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 274 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 209 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 360 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 344 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 272 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 279 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 245 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 327 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 511 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 247 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 376 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 328 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 278 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 271 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 193 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 317 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 261 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 175 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 378 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 169 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 180 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 217 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 354 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 178 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 264 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 288 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 290 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 358 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 251 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 266 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 328 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 336 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 208 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 384 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 237 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 251 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 188 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 265 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 272 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 242 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 187 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 276 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 315 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 242 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 327 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 348 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 343 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 362 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 168 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 305 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 342 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 394 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05