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As far as I understand the nautical phyle notion, and I'm sure I'll be corrected, is that the AE crews on boats were named according to the section of the boat they were responsible for. I don't know boat terminology, so I'll just say the sections were basically four, front and back and the two sides. Ann Roth extended the nautical crew names to land construction, such as G1, claiming the crews were assigned according to the compass points; north, south, east and west. One crew working on the north side of the pyramid, etc.
An ortho here said Roth had conducted an "exhaustive study of all the crew marks in the relieving chambers". The orthos on this board have used Ann Roth and her phyles to substantiate the authenticity of the Khufu cartouche. The logic being Vyse could not have known about phyle names therefore he couldn't have forged it. Out of curiosity, I thought I'd double check Roth to see just how exhaustively she studied the marks in the chambers. This is what Roth gives as a result of her exhaustive study.....



Which cartouche is where? Which are on a north wall? South, etc.?

Here is her explanation :
The distribution of the gang names on the walls of the relieving chambers is an interesting foreshadowing of later developments. In each chamber, the blocks of the north side are marked with one gang name and those of the south side with another, while the end walls are divided in half and the blocks are marked with the name of the gang whose name is on the nearest side wall. This distribution is presented schematically in figure 7.2. The pattern suggests that the pyramid was constructed by gangs whose responsibility was divided between its northern and southern halves.

To say this "distribution is presented schematically in figure 7.2" is a stretch of the imagination. Although worded very poorly, what she's doing is dividing the chambers into quadrants, the end walls (east & west) were divided in half, or so she thinks. So the left side of the east wall would be closest to the north side wall and these two walls were worked by the same gang. I've made these walls pink in my diagram. The right side of the east end wall would be closest to the south side wall (lavender).

The left side of the west wall would be closest to the south wall (green), and the right side of the west wall would be closest to the north wall (blue). Like I've illustrated here....

How about those graphics! Cut me some slack here, I'm using a basic drawing program.

Instead of pointing out each phyle and the discrepancies in her statement, I'll let you examine the placement of the phyles for yourself. I have not marked which names are in which chamber, that is irrelevant. What is relevant to examining Roth's conclusion, is which walls the phyles are on - north, south, east or west.

The 3 gangs (phyles) present in the chambers (according to egyptologists) :
1. White Crown Khnum-Khuf is powerful gang
2. Pure Ones of the Hor Medjedu gang
3. Friends/Companions of Khufu gang

The Walls :
SOUTH walls have: White Crown & Pure Ones & Friends of Khufu (3 different names)
NORTH walls have : White Crown - which is spelled 4 different ways. Details (shakes head)
EAST walls have : one illegible something
WEST walls have : White Crown & Pure Ones (2 different names) or maybe 3 names

But we needn't know the translation of the phyles, because just by looking at their placement would tell us which gangs worked where, no matter what the name was, if they were indeed assigned to the cardinal directions, (according to Roth's idea}

So the White Crown gang appears on south, north and west walls. Following Roth's idea, the White Crown gang worked on 3 different directions, but this goes against what she stated. I call it her "idea" because by now her statements are not looking like a hypothesis much less a theory.

There is another major problem; since there are no names on the east wall of any chamber, we have no idea what gang worked on those. That cuts out 2 quadrants from the plate of evidence we are expected to eat of. Now we are left with only 2 quadrants, north-west and south-west, that can provide us with the evidence necessary for an exhaustive study.

A 3rd quadrant, south-west, must also be taken off the plate for it does not abide by Roth's now fanciful imagination. In fact, her entire phyle thingy falls apart in this quadrant. How are we to conduct an exhaustive study if we only have 2 walls out of 8 to evaluate? We are now at a dead end, we cannot pursue this 'hypothesis' further because the evidence isn't there. Evidently Roth based her conclusions on the north-west walls only.

But that doesn't deter Roth who takes it further.....

"It should be noted that the blocks marked with the gang name based on the name Khufu are on a higher course of masonry than the blocks marked with the Khnum-Khufu gang on the northern wall of the same chamber, so that there may also have been a new gang assigned to the north wall (not preserved in the evidence) at the same time as a new gang came to work on the southern wall."

This is nothing but a guess in an attempt to explain one of the discrepancies in her by now, exhausted study. On the north walls the gang name is spelled 4 different ways, some with 5 glyphs and some with 6. And they're not in the same order.

The south walls add a 5th way of spelling. And this she would explain away with "a new gang come to work".
She goes on......

"This patterning of gang names has interesting implications for the study of how pyramids were built. "

But there is no patterning. There are similarities in glyphs on the north and south walls and that's all. As is the usual practice, the variations are explained away as different spellings of the same name, or are yet another name the king possessed.
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my favorite author c.1863
The most vulnerable point in Egyptology is the facility with which it "identifies" a hieroglyphic name, found anywhere, with any historical personage unprovided with a monument. Hieroglyphs afford a delightful latitude for these experiments : they are read backward or forward, upward or downward, from centre to flank, or from flank to centre, at the pleasure of the artist, or the interpreter. Many of the phonetic characters stand for more letters than one, and all the symbolical ones may be variously interpreted ; so that it may be truly said of this study that the vowels go for nothing, and any consonant may be changed into another. It would be hard if, with such advantages, monumental evidence could not be found. In point of fact, a large proportion of modern "identifications" consists of such mere resemblances, arbitrarily brought together, and as arbitrarily removed when a different hypothesis requires a new arrangement. We have names slipped a thousand years up or down the chronological scale at pleasure ; and it is quite common with Baron Bunsen to assign as a proof of identity, that no other place fits so well. He might as well take his readers into Moses' shop, and asseverate that the best fit was made to their own measure.
But to continue with Roth.........

"The fact that the gangs changed during the construction of these chambers implies that gangs or even crews served in a rotation of some sort; if more evidence for this rotation could be found elsewhere, it might provide a useful guide to the rate of construction."

Now she's stating it as FACT. The gangs changed during construction, well they must have because the distribution isn't as she claims it should be. So since the "pattern" doesn't follow her idea, she has now made up two more facts; the gangs changed during construction AND they rotated. Now everything fits into her theory/hypothesis/idea.

And what is a RATE of construction?

In conclusion, considering the lack of evidence in the chambers, Vyse could not have known about the phyle names because they are not phyle names. They have nothing to do with north or south or east or west.

We are witness to the birth of a myth that will be touted as FACT for probably the next 100 years.
Whew! I'm exhausted. You guys will have to take up this extensive study.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Roman capabilities 381 Warwick 18-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Roman capabilities 361 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 16:04
Re: Roman capabilities 312 Warwick 18-Apr-17 18:04
Re: Roman capabilities 342 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 18:09
ahhhh. an attack. how droll 304 Warwick 18-Apr-17 20:25
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 338 Origyptian 18-Apr-17 21:27
Re: ahhhh. an attack. how droll 208 Warwick 19-Apr-17 13:49
Stuck in a time warp 398 Audrey 18-Apr-17 03:35
Re: Stuck in a time warp 239 Martin Stower 18-Apr-17 10:56
Re: Stuck in a time warp 333 Audrey 19-Apr-17 01:04
Re: Stuck in a time warp 262 Martin Stower 19-Apr-17 09:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 323 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 16:00
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 311 Origyptian 17-Apr-17 02:25
Experiment terminated 231 Martin Stower 17-Apr-17 12:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 350 Jon Ellison 16-Apr-17 21:37
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 396 Merrell 16-Apr-17 22:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 514 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 03:59
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 389 Jon Ellison 17-Apr-17 08:07
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 234 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 15:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 316 Warwick 17-Apr-17 22:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Jon Ellison 18-Apr-17 08:13
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 201 Thanos5150 18-Apr-17 18:10
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 424 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 00:41
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 430 sfbey 19-Apr-17 14:30
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 471 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 15:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 233 cladking 19-Apr-17 15:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 417 sfbey 19-Apr-17 15:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 516 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:22
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 409 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 17:35
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 489 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 22:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:15
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 322 Origyptian 19-Apr-17 23:21
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 297 Warwick 20-Apr-17 16:57
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 312 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 17:18
The Pyramids were NOT a secret 314 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:50
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 328 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:27
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 231 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:11
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 268 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 19:29
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 351 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 22:15
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 352 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:37
Re: The Pyramids were NOT a secret 265 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 08:26
Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 330 Jon Ellison 21-Apr-17 09:20
Mathematical bases of ancient Egyptian architecture and graphic art 495 sfbey 21-Apr-17 14:19
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 246 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:30
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 271 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 19:37
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 393 Warwick 22-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 280 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:06
Re: Flat, Oblique, Isometric, Single Point Linear, Two Point Linear 207 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 244 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 18:20
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 280 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 213 sfbey 20-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:16
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 208 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:31
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 17:52
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 277 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 240 Martin Stower 20-Apr-17 19:34
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 460 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 23:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 220 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:19
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 377 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 19:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 356 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 21:47
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 317 Thanos5150 19-Apr-17 22:33
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 324 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:17
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 412 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 17:57
Principles of Egyptian Art 230 sfbey 20-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 18:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 349 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:28
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 484 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:24
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 303 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 20:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 251 Origyptian 20-Apr-17 21:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 293 Thanos5150 20-Apr-17 23:55
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 392 R Avry Wilson 21-Apr-17 01:32
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 403 Audrey 21-Apr-17 03:02
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 292 Warwick 21-Apr-17 06:38
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 221 Origyptian 21-Apr-17 04:56
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 267 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:36
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 256 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 06:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 294 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 06:44
The willfully blind do not see 286 Warwick 21-Apr-17 07:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 255 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 16:27
Re: The willfully blind do not see 313 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:07
Re: The willfully blind do not see 292 Thanos5150 21-Apr-17 18:12
Re: The willfully blind do not see 244 eyeofhorus33 21-Apr-17 21:15
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 387 Audrey 22-Apr-17 02:29
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 373 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 05:23
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:13
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 334 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 09:22
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 280 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 10:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 358 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 11:42
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 566 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 14:02
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 273 cladking 22-Apr-17 14:45
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 399 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:05
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 372 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 15:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 301 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 15:20
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 305 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 15:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 230 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:07
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 336 Jon Ellison 22-Apr-17 16:56
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 299 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 17:33
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 209 R Avry Wilson 22-Apr-17 19:38
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 408 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:46
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 192 cladking 22-Apr-17 19:54
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 216 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:26
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 235 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:17
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 390 Audrey 22-Apr-17 20:36
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 212 cladking 22-Apr-17 21:21
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 283 Origyptian 22-Apr-17 13:51
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 320 Thanos5150 22-Apr-17 16:45
How this is relevant 310 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:51
Re: How this is relevant 393 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 02:09
Re: How this is relevant 277 Warwick 23-Apr-17 15:43
Re: The willfully ignorant do not learn 295 Warwick 22-Apr-17 16:00
Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 357 Corpuscles 22-Apr-17 21:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 359 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 03:39
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 244 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 07:19
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 411 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 13:51
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 268 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 14:38
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 289 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 15:03
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 205 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 22:14
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 287 Thanos5150 23-Apr-17 15:50
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 309 Origyptian 23-Apr-17 16:18
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 259 Martin Stower 23-Apr-17 12:58
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 219 Warwick 23-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Direct questions to self appointed "alt' spokeswoman 320 Corpuscles 23-Apr-17 21:44
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 335 Corpuscles 21-Apr-17 07:12
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 257 Warwick 21-Apr-17 17:43
Rabbits . . . 361 Martin Stower 21-Apr-17 10:04
Re: Rabbits . . . 366 Merrell 21-Apr-17 12:48
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 269 Warwick 21-Apr-17 18:01
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 379 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 20:45
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 400 Audrey 21-Apr-17 01:08
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 205 Jon Ellison 20-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 329 Warwick 19-Apr-17 17:43
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 360 Jon Ellison 19-Apr-17 18:40
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 265 Warwick 20-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 388 Corpuscles 17-Apr-17 00:04
Re: Your Assumptions Are Showing... 426 Thanos5150 17-Apr-17 02:05