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Racho Wrote:
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> Hi Jon
>
> I'm hoping that you wrote your post above more for
> the crowd than for myself but someone will learn
> from that info.

Well yeah.. I appreciate your understanding of these things, you obviously know what you're looking at. Nevertheless got to be fair, how can anyone be expected to know everything?
It's one thing to argue about what we see, but necessary to explain why we see it.
Technological context..


> [www.youtube.com]
>
> What sort of guided tool was responsible for this?
> We can see that it is perfect...like a router. I
> don't think it was this kind of router though
> [www.youtube.com] ...
> ;)
>
> For me, the debate is over as to what kind of
> tools were used or whether there was an advanced
> civilization that was decimated by something. Puma
> Punku has high tech written all over it and...the
> remnants/pieces are all that remain. I do wonder
> how many Llama's it required in order to drag
> those blocks into place ;)

I call it a 'lost advanced technological culture' because my interest is primarily in techniques, and there's no doubt that they are well and truly lost.
They're not in the archaeological record, conspicuous by their absence, there they are.. Gone!...
Except of course for the stones and the signatures.
If I wanted to go down that road I'd be asking myself, what can selectively destroy the technicians and techniques leaving only stone? At least what we can recognise.
Or if the technology IS the stone, we just being unable to recognise it because we pretty much gave up on stone a long time ago other than for building construction. When you take a fork in the road you miss out on all the possibilities on the other road.
So therefore we see buildings, as in architectural spaces.

Anyways, I can only think of time.
A lot of it...
Geological time.
Stone's just about as time proof as you can get.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15-Oct-17 19:38 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2599 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 648 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 559 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 560 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 185 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 211 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 480 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 270 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 447 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 364 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 575 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 657 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 442 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 400 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 291 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 194 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 205 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 235 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 206 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 265 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 212 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 268 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 218 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 173 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 123 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 170 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 157 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 156 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 158 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 141 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 346 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 413 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 276 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 331 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 238 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 287 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 281 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 300 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 294 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 230 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 229 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 253 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 286 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 243 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 252 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 340 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 289 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 263 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 260 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 247 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 275 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 255 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 240 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 278 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 252 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 235 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 255 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 259 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 259 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 269 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 393 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 386 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 322 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 282 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 310 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 272 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 323 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 279 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 263 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 269 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 286 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 267 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 272 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 245 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 307 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 281 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 270 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 283 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 228 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 342 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 158 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 178 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 265 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 265 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 245 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 246 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 149 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 145 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 231 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 175 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 196 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 263 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 179 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 259 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 183 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 247 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 268 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 174 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 170 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 207 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 205 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 448 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 249 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 256 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 316 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 353 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 272 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 271 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 339 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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