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Racho Wrote:
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> that the markings on the cave walls/ceilings are
> remarkably similar to those demonstrated to have
> resulted from modern boring machines in the vid?
>
> Take a hardened chisel one day and find a
> rock...try to recreate. It won't happen.
>
> I've read many of your posts over the years and am
> surprised that there aren't a few questions raised
> after viewing this stuff. It's not as if they are
> removing large quantities of rock by way of
> explosives - as evidenced by the temples in India.
> chipping this away is your final answer then?

Hi Racho

Dropping in to suggest that you ought take care not to compare apples with bannana's. One may require a special tool to peel comfortably, the other may not.

There is enough in the OP vid Peru & Bolivia part to justify that significantly more advanced or specialised technology or tools or methods were used than chisels (especially bronze age). As you know from watching heaps of vids, found all over the world.

However, Longou caves (I think aptly named) are sandstone. Take your own advice find some fresh quarried sample and chisel it. Different critter altogether than hard igneous sone (granite etc).

The entrance is very rough and natural not like a machine made it. Look again from that perspective? I suggest it is possible they were water worn caves in sandstone which were renovated squared carved extensively by man. If steel was involved then it is realtively easy, say , compared to gold rush miners in the mid 19th century digging mines in wilderness with small picks and shovels in solid granite and quartz to find veins and some of those go for miles. No machines used.


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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2684 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 693 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 616 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 615 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 224 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 255 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 525 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 479 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 490 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 436 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 621 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 695 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 488 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 442 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 332 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 230 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 237 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 277 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 244 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 306 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 262 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 314 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 288 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 205 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 155 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 212 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 188 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 202 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 190 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 200 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 180 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 410 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 468 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 312 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 366 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 274 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 324 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 325 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 336 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 270 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 264 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 286 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 321 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 274 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 355 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 286 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 292 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 284 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 282 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 271 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 337 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 292 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 439 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 434 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 368 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 322 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 352 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 328 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 385 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 296 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 282 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 396 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 189 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 342 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 207 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 279 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 341 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 175 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 178 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 273 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 212 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 286 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 251 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 261 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 297 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 228 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 218 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 218 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 205 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 279 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 201 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 244 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 241 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 488 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 285 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 294 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 367 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 395 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 309 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 307 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 407 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 459 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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