Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Racho Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> that the markings on the cave walls/ceilings are
> remarkably similar to those demonstrated to have
> resulted from modern boring machines in the vid?
>
> Take a hardened chisel one day and find a
> rock...try to recreate. It won't happen.
>
> I've read many of your posts over the years and am
> surprised that there aren't a few questions raised
> after viewing this stuff. It's not as if they are
> removing large quantities of rock by way of
> explosives - as evidenced by the temples in India.
> chipping this away is your final answer then?

Hi Racho

Dropping in to suggest that you ought take care not to compare apples with bannana's. One may require a special tool to peel comfortably, the other may not.

There is enough in the OP vid Peru & Bolivia part to justify that significantly more advanced or specialised technology or tools or methods were used than chisels (especially bronze age). As you know from watching heaps of vids, found all over the world.

However, Longou caves (I think aptly named) are sandstone. Take your own advice find some fresh quarried sample and chisel it. Different critter altogether than hard igneous sone (granite etc).

The entrance is very rough and natural not like a machine made it. Look again from that perspective? I suggest it is possible they were water worn caves in sandstone which were renovated squared carved extensively by man. If steel was involved then it is realtively easy, say , compared to gold rush miners in the mid 19th century digging mines in wilderness with small picks and shovels in solid granite and quartz to find veins and some of those go for miles. No machines used.


Cheers

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2503 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 594 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 497 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 495 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 155 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 170 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 430 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 367 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 236 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 401 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 308 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 529 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 611 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 300 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 397 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 355 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 250 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 158 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 167 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 194 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 165 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 218 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 163 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 210 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 166 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 141 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 97 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 134 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 114 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 136 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 117 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 118 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 102 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 289 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 366 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 246 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 285 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 210 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 253 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 226 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 252 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 247 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 188 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 200 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 215 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 248 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 205 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 238 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 253 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 233 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 258 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 219 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 256 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 237 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 192 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 245 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 212 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 206 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 261 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 220 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 264 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 347 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 339 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 279 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 252 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 270 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 208 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 270 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 246 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 267 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 237 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 211 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 267 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 134 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 259 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 149 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 228 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 223 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 213 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 131 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 118 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 199 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 280 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 139 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 250 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 204 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 163 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 195 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 153 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 140 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 218 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 143 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 212 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 135 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 128 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 163 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 172 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 398 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 210 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 210 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 266 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 311 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 236 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 217 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 268 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.