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I thought the evidence was pretty clear. We've seen the evidence that it was copper tools and we've seen what I've posted in the vid linked to. On strictly a balance of probabilities...there is a clear winner.

And yet there remains the stalwart proponents of copper tools did it. They didn't and can't. Have people stopped to think just how much time and effort it would entail to dig this out with hand tools...Centuries? Thousands of years more like and I'm pretty sure that the peasants would have run away at some point or starved.

Let alone this stuff happened all over the world. I think the real question is why would this advanced race/culture have chosen to live in hillsides - in caves. There isn't any soot on the ceilings either...what they didn't need light or warmth? weird is what it is.


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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2543 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 615 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 520 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 527 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 169 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 187 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 449 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 250 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 421 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 332 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 545 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 625 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 413 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 369 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 265 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 175 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 185 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 213 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 183 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 235 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 182 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 233 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 188 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 158 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 108 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 152 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 134 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 151 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 135 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 138 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 120 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 313 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 386 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 259 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 307 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 220 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 264 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 250 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 267 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 268 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 200 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 210 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 227 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 262 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 218 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 239 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 231 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 240 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 274 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 238 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 271 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 224 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 253 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 236 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 225 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 254 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 222 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 231 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 279 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 244 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 235 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 363 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 355 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 294 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 261 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 287 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 231 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 289 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 264 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 243 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 269 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 253 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 222 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 282 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 244 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 264 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 208 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 141 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 275 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 161 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 244 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 237 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 262 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 138 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 125 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 215 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 305 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 157 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 263 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 216 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 270 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 179 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 207 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 233 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 169 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 237 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 157 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 233 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 159 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 151 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 218 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 147 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 182 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 187 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 413 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 225 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 227 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 286 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 329 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 252 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 238 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 299 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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