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I thought the evidence was pretty clear. We've seen the evidence that it was copper tools and we've seen what I've posted in the vid linked to. On strictly a balance of probabilities...there is a clear winner.

And yet there remains the stalwart proponents of copper tools did it. They didn't and can't. Have people stopped to think just how much time and effort it would entail to dig this out with hand tools...Centuries? Thousands of years more like and I'm pretty sure that the peasants would have run away at some point or starved.

Let alone this stuff happened all over the world. I think the real question is why would this advanced race/culture have chosen to live in hillsides - in caves. There isn't any soot on the ceilings either...what they didn't need light or warmth? weird is what it is.


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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2502 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 594 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 497 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 494 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 155 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 169 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 429 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 367 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 236 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 401 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 307 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 369 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 529 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 611 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 396 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 355 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 250 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 158 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 166 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 194 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 165 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 218 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 163 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 210 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 165 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 141 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 97 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 133 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 114 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 136 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 117 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 118 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 102 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 289 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 365 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 246 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 285 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 210 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 253 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 226 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 251 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 246 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 187 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 200 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 213 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 247 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 204 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 238 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 253 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 233 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 258 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 219 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 255 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 237 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 226 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 208 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 191 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 244 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 212 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 206 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 260 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 220 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 347 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 338 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 279 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 252 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 270 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 208 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 270 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 245 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 237 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 209 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 267 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 133 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 258 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 149 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 212 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 239 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 253 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 130 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 117 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 197 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 279 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 138 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 213 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 203 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 250 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 162 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 219 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 152 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 140 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 217 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 141 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 211 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 135 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 128 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 163 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 171 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 397 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 208 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 208 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 266 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 311 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 236 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 217 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 268 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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