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I view it more towards taking a position...which ultimately leads towards taking a side. One position is solidly (where I am) of the opinion that people didn't carve these square caves out by way of using primitive means ie: chisels...

Your position, if I gather correctly, is that it is and they did.

You don't find the marks on the walls strange insofar as they are uniform and are of significant length. Did the carvers/chiselers do it this way for esthetic purposes? My position/side says no. You don't comment so I can only assume that you feel they did this with chisels for some reason.

Copper/bronze/hardened steel...remember the elephant carver my friend. Got nowhere...and yet Petra has extensive rooms carved out of stone.

We'll never know who or how but we can postulate, based on the work of Dunn and others...that one view is more likely than the other. The difference of opinions will not likely change - and that's fine. I've shown video's with closeups of the work at Petra and there is obviously something other than chisels were used - I've pointed this out in a previous post but can't be bothered to try and look for this now. I don't believe there was much, if any, comment on that from your 'side'. I do wonder why but this is my interest and not necessarily someone else's. It'll be somewhere in the Newearth vid on Petra.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2649 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 678 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 598 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 597 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 209 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 241 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 509 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 451 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 294 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 476 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 409 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 603 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 683 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 471 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 426 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 317 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 215 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 224 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 260 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 228 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 291 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 242 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 295 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 254 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 194 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 142 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 198 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 178 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 192 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 178 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 185 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 164 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 383 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 445 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 296 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 353 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 262 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 306 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 331 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 322 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 252 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 250 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 273 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 309 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 262 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 266 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 366 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 281 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 282 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 274 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 296 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 287 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 263 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 373 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 269 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 261 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 275 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 279 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 289 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 271 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 419 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 418 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 353 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 308 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 330 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 307 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 361 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 286 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 337 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 292 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 280 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 265 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 337 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 255 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 375 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 176 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 197 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 286 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 266 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 273 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 326 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 165 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 165 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 260 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 200 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 273 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 263 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 231 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 247 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 205 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 282 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 206 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 271 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 264 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 191 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 231 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 229 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 473 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 271 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 278 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 349 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 380 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 296 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 294 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 381 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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