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I view it more towards taking a position...which ultimately leads towards taking a side. One position is solidly (where I am) of the opinion that people didn't carve these square caves out by way of using primitive means ie: chisels...

Your position, if I gather correctly, is that it is and they did.

You don't find the marks on the walls strange insofar as they are uniform and are of significant length. Did the carvers/chiselers do it this way for esthetic purposes? My position/side says no. You don't comment so I can only assume that you feel they did this with chisels for some reason.

Copper/bronze/hardened steel...remember the elephant carver my friend. Got nowhere...and yet Petra has extensive rooms carved out of stone.

We'll never know who or how but we can postulate, based on the work of Dunn and others...that one view is more likely than the other. The difference of opinions will not likely change - and that's fine. I've shown video's with closeups of the work at Petra and there is obviously something other than chisels were used - I've pointed this out in a previous post but can't be bothered to try and look for this now. I don't believe there was much, if any, comment on that from your 'side'. I do wonder why but this is my interest and not necessarily someone else's. It'll be somewhere in the Newearth vid on Petra.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3182 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 865 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 770 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 757 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 336 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 381 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 644 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 602 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 579 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 639 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 738 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 822 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 517 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 600 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 550 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 454 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 358 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 335 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 401 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 335 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 433 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 381 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 420 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 404 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 312 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 246 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 316 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 282 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 293 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 300 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 309 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 275 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 556 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 84 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 81 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 70 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 79 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 80 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 86 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 119 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 608 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 462 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 371 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 418 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 425 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 461 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 436 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 363 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 370 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 388 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 429 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 376 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 508 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 534 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 476 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 502 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 436 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 391 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 441 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 560 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 550 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 476 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 446 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 464 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 456 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 506 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 500 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 412 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 427 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 502 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 301 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 454 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 406 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 372 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 377 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 443 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 378 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 485 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 320 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 457 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 377 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 412 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 335 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 412 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 393 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 324 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 401 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 351 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 617 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 386 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 399 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 489 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 529 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 400 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 426 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 546 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 578 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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