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I view it more towards taking a position...which ultimately leads towards taking a side. One position is solidly (where I am) of the opinion that people didn't carve these square caves out by way of using primitive means ie: chisels...

Your position, if I gather correctly, is that it is and they did.

You don't find the marks on the walls strange insofar as they are uniform and are of significant length. Did the carvers/chiselers do it this way for esthetic purposes? My position/side says no. You don't comment so I can only assume that you feel they did this with chisels for some reason.

Copper/bronze/hardened steel...remember the elephant carver my friend. Got nowhere...and yet Petra has extensive rooms carved out of stone.

We'll never know who or how but we can postulate, based on the work of Dunn and others...that one view is more likely than the other. The difference of opinions will not likely change - and that's fine. I've shown video's with closeups of the work at Petra and there is obviously something other than chisels were used - I've pointed this out in a previous post but can't be bothered to try and look for this now. I don't believe there was much, if any, comment on that from your 'side'. I do wonder why but this is my interest and not necessarily someone else's. It'll be somewhere in the Newearth vid on Petra.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2481 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 576 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 477 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 480 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 154 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 160 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 415 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 346 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 226 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 394 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 288 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 513 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 599 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 282 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 376 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 339 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 238 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 156 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 165 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 189 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 161 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 200 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 153 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 202 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 154 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 131 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 95 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 132 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 111 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 133 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 110 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 112 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 92 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 279 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 354 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 227 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 279 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 206 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 243 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 217 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 241 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 235 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 179 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 191 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 201 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 240 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 195 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 224 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 231 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 202 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 223 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 246 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 206 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 244 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 201 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 225 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 197 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 181 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 283 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 239 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 198 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 194 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 250 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 207 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 203 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 207 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 241 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 218 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 208 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 336 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 324 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 258 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 245 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 260 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 198 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 266 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 219 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 253 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 240 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 202 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 198 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 220 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 190 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 265 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 123 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 244 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 147 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 211 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 211 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 204 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 250 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 127 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 112 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 183 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 136 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 232 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 206 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 239 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 159 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 176 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 208 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 143 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 219 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 137 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 209 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 133 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 208 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 131 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 195 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 126 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 153 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 167 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 376 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 196 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 183 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 254 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 293 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 227 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 206 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 263 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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