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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > the main impetus to societal change since the
> > second world war has been the advancements in
> > Science and Technology.
>
> Material advancements that helped fuel the social
> and political changes. Communication mostly. Radio
> was largely controlled, not so much post war
> television and now this wonderful interactive
> internet.
>
> >
> > We are now learning faster than our ability to
> > adapt to this new norm.
>
> We'll adapt, that means we and how we think about
> society and everything that goes to make a society
> will change. Not a revolution but a gradual
> change. Evolution.
> Don't expect it to be anything like the past.
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>
> >
> > I see a smidgeon of agreement in these at first
> > appearance differing views.
> >
> > Maybe there is a place where our thoughts can
> > converge after all
>
> Likewise.

I am coming to believe that the degree to which a person is either part of their surroundings or marginalised. The amount of faith we have in our institutions and our leaders. Our financial well being and security. Our personal sense of self worth. all these and more , on a societal level rather than an individual one.....

that all these affect and effect they way we look at our past and thus understand it...or not.

A primary example of this to me is the notion of altruistic leadership.

Not a lot of reasons around us today for believing it's even remotely possible.

But when we learn that at brief times in our past that this kind of ideal has been realised...we can again hope for ourselves.

whether my AE past or you LC past..I think we both look to those for knowledge and perhaps inspiration?


Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3117 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 820 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 753 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 722 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 314 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 360 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 623 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 602 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 574 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 552 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 601 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 714 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 793 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 490 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 579 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 525 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 413 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 332 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 314 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 375 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 314 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 408 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 358 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 395 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 381 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 290 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 222 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 290 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 258 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 273 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 276 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 288 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 249 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 525 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 72 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 64 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 57 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 65 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 67 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 69 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 96 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 581 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 391 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 437 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 351 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 402 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 403 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 436 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 416 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 343 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 347 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 366 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 397 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 354 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 452 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 374 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 367 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 533 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 520 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 458 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 422 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 436 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 431 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 481 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 391 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 477 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 356 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 418 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 266 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 358 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 459 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 354 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 362 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 388 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 408 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 378 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 336 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 335 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 591 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 361 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 369 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 454 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 503 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 380 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 401 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 515 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 555 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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