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> > > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't
> yet
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect...
> > > > > "might"??
> > > > >
> > > > > My conclusion is that at this time we
> have
> > no
> > > > idea
> > > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > > >
> > > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> > 4th
> > > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > > have,
> > > > > according to the extant archeological
> > > physical
> > > > > record of their design, tooling
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > in your opinion
> > > >
> > > > and construction
> > > > > capabilities,
> > > >
> > > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> > strongly
> > > >
> > > > the construction infrastructure
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > there I completely disagree
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > support systems necessary to even
> conceive
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now you are going too far
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I therefore conclude that according to
> the
> > > > known
> > > > > physical archeological record, it is
> highly
> > > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> > the
> > > > > Great Pyramid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > > understanding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > > conclusion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> > technological
> > > > > culture.
> > > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What are you doing to find it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> > as
> > > to
> > > > > who, when and why.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on
> the
> > > > WHY?
> > > >
> > > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > > purpose
> > > > might have been?
> > > >
> > > > Do you want to know?
> > > >
> > > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > > find
> > > > out what other think
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Warwick
> > >
> > >
> > > Well that was a consise collection of
> > ridiculous
> > > statements wasn't it.
> >
> >
> >
> > that's concise to you.
>
> Certainly is....
>
>
> >
> >
> > > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > > technologies.
> >
> >
> > My interest is in applied beliefs
>
> That figures.....
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> > Hence
> > > this forum and the debate.
> > > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > > nationality or age of the practitioners of
> the
> > > lost technology.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now that is a Mystery to ME
>
> So be it......
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > > You say that there are no lost techniques??
> >
> >
> >
> > Where did I ever say that???
>
> That's why I asked the question.. the question
> marks are a dead givaway..
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that you are fully aware of all of
> the
> > > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many
> and
> > > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > > techniques??
> >
> >
> > I say that I appreciate the demands of a
> project
> > of this nature...yes.
>
> Are you aware of the execution of all of the
> demands of the project??? (question marks)
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that there is no mystery??
> >
> >
> > I have never said that about our past....NEVER!
>
> Thats why I asked a question..
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that there is no need for a search
> > because
> > > all has been discovered??
> >
> >
> >
> > Never said that either
>
> Coooool.. Just love a mystery.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> > living
> > > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> > sceptical
> > > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> > any
> > > objection I'll go on looking.
> > > Because..
> > > I'm not convinced.
> >
> >
> >
> > NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> > opinion of opinions that I do not share.
>
>
> Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll
> take it as a compliment.
> Thank you.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
> >
> >
> >
> > When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking
> my
> > questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> > looking
>
> Thank you, I will.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > > purpose comes last, not first.
> >
> > The reason for building something comes first
>
> We're not building something we're deconstructing
> something.
> It was built by someone else. That means... Not
> us.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Unless you are proposing a civilisation of
> idiot
> > savants
>
> No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They
> probably knew exactly what they were building and
> how to build it.
> Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record
> whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So
> therefore we have to start with the bare bones,
> their finishing point is our starting point.
>
> Reverse or retro engineering.
> It'll take time and only amateurs make
> assumptions.
> The purpose comes last.
> Be patient...

correct me if I am wrong but...wasn't it me who suggested proper testing?

Does that convey impatience to you?

or professional approach to research.

Amateur my ass.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2701 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 702 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 623 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 625 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 233 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 265 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 532 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 497 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 496 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 445 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 502 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 628 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 704 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 495 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 451 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 340 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 237 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 245 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 287 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 250 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 313 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 270 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 323 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 296 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 209 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 159 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 217 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 195 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 209 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 194 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 204 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 184 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 418 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 479 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 320 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 375 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 282 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 333 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 332 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 354 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 345 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 277 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 271 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 299 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 330 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 279 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 280 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 296 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 355 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 448 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 443 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 378 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 330 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 361 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 337 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 392 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 360 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 405 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 204 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 352 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 288 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 351 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 185 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 283 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 385 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 348 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 269 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 271 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 318 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 286 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 210 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 252 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 249 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 500 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 291 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 303 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 374 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 402 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 318 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 315 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 416 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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