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> > > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't
> yet
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> > have
> > > > > done
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect...
> > > > > "might"??
> > > > >
> > > > > My conclusion is that at this time we
> have
> > no
> > > > idea
> > > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > > >
> > > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> > 4th
> > > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > > have,
> > > > > according to the extant archeological
> > > physical
> > > > > record of their design, tooling
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > in your opinion
> > > >
> > > > and construction
> > > > > capabilities,
> > > >
> > > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> > strongly
> > > >
> > > > the construction infrastructure
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > there I completely disagree
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > support systems necessary to even
> conceive
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > project.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now you are going too far
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I therefore conclude that according to
> the
> > > > known
> > > > > physical archeological record, it is
> highly
> > > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> > the
> > > > > Great Pyramid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > > understanding
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > > conclusion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> > technological
> > > > > culture.
> > > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What are you doing to find it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> > as
> > > to
> > > > > who, when and why.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on
> the
> > > > WHY?
> > > >
> > > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > > purpose
> > > > might have been?
> > > >
> > > > Do you want to know?
> > > >
> > > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > > find
> > > > out what other think
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Warwick
> > >
> > >
> > > Well that was a consise collection of
> > ridiculous
> > > statements wasn't it.
> >
> >
> >
> > that's concise to you.
>
> Certainly is....
>
>
> >
> >
> > > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > > technologies.
> >
> >
> > My interest is in applied beliefs
>
> That figures.....
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> > Hence
> > > this forum and the debate.
> > > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > > nationality or age of the practitioners of
> the
> > > lost technology.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now that is a Mystery to ME
>
> So be it......
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > > You say that there are no lost techniques??
> >
> >
> >
> > Where did I ever say that???
>
> That's why I asked the question.. the question
> marks are a dead givaway..
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that you are fully aware of all of
> the
> > > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many
> and
> > > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > > techniques??
> >
> >
> > I say that I appreciate the demands of a
> project
> > of this nature...yes.
>
> Are you aware of the execution of all of the
> demands of the project??? (question marks)
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that there is no mystery??
> >
> >
> > I have never said that about our past....NEVER!
>
> Thats why I asked a question..
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You say that there is no need for a search
> > because
> > > all has been discovered??
> >
> >
> >
> > Never said that either
>
> Coooool.. Just love a mystery.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> > living
> > > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> > sceptical
> > > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> > any
> > > objection I'll go on looking.
> > > Because..
> > > I'm not convinced.
> >
> >
> >
> > NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> > opinion of opinions that I do not share.
>
>
> Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll
> take it as a compliment.
> Thank you.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
> >
> >
> >
> > When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking
> my
> > questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> > looking
>
> Thank you, I will.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > > purpose comes last, not first.
> >
> > The reason for building something comes first
>
> We're not building something we're deconstructing
> something.
> It was built by someone else. That means... Not
> us.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Unless you are proposing a civilisation of
> idiot
> > savants
>
> No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They
> probably knew exactly what they were building and
> how to build it.
> Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record
> whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So
> therefore we have to start with the bare bones,
> their finishing point is our starting point.
>
> Reverse or retro engineering.
> It'll take time and only amateurs make
> assumptions.
> The purpose comes last.
> Be patient...

correct me if I am wrong but...wasn't it me who suggested proper testing?

Does that convey impatience to you?

or professional approach to research.

Amateur my ass.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2729 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 714 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 638 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 635 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 248 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 279 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 544 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 506 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 458 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 517 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 649 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 715 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 509 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 462 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 354 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 253 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 258 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 317 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 259 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 325 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 287 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 333 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 304 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 218 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 163 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 222 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 202 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 218 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 203 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 210 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 188 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 439 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 490 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 384 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 291 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 346 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 342 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 355 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 287 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 283 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 339 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 290 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 345 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 314 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 323 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 375 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 410 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 307 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 361 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 459 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 463 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 390 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 342 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 374 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 351 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 402 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 328 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 396 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 297 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 231 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 320 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 315 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 299 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 198 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 297 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 243 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 277 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 315 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 244 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 235 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 264 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 260 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 516 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 305 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 316 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 382 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 422 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 327 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 326 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 430 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 487 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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