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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3155 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 851 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 762 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 743 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 326 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 373 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 634 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 622 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 593 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 567 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 621 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 727 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 810 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 590 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 538 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 437 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 348 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 330 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 390 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 328 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 423 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 373 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 412 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 398 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 306 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 237 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 304 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 273 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 288 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 291 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 297 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 264 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 544 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 78 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 75 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 63 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 73 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 74 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 77 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 107 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 601 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 451 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 365 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 411 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 417 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 451 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 428 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 357 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 360 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 382 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 420 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 367 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 503 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 464 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 468 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 525 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 469 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 488 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 371 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 429 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 379 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 379 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 430 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 549 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 539 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 465 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 436 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 455 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 450 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 495 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 493 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 448 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 382 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 493 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 447 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 397 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 382 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 371 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 435 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 440 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 279 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 367 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 476 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 446 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 371 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 439 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 326 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 404 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 422 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 316 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 392 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 297 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 343 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 349 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 607 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 374 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 380 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 466 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 519 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 394 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 416 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 533 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 566 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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