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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3182 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 868 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 771 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 758 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 336 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 382 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 645 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 603 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 580 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 639 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 738 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 823 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 518 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 601 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 550 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 455 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 360 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 337 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 402 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 337 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 435 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 382 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 423 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 405 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 313 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 246 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 316 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 284 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 294 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 301 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 310 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 277 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 558 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 84 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 82 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 70 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 80 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 80 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 87 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 120 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 610 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 415 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 462 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 373 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 420 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 427 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 461 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 437 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 371 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 430 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 378 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 405 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 422 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 476 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 535 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 398 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 478 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 410 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 561 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 551 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 477 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 446 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 464 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 457 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 507 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 426 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 501 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 420 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 461 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 405 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 503 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 455 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 407 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 379 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 445 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 259 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 288 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 378 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 485 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 322 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 458 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 379 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 369 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 385 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 414 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 325 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 305 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 352 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 358 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 617 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 386 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 400 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 491 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 529 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 401 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 428 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 546 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 579 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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