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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2701 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 702 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 623 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 625 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 233 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 265 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 532 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 497 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 496 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 445 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 502 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 628 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 704 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 495 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 451 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 340 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 237 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 245 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 287 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 250 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 313 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 270 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 323 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 296 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 209 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 159 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 217 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 195 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 209 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 194 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 204 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 184 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 418 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 479 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 320 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 375 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 282 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 333 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 332 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 354 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 345 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 277 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 271 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 299 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 330 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 280 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 285 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 280 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 296 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 355 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 448 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 443 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 378 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 330 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 361 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 337 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 392 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 360 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 405 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 204 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 352 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 288 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 351 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 185 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 283 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 385 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 348 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 269 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 271 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 318 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 286 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 210 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 252 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 249 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 500 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 291 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 303 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 374 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 402 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 318 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 315 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 416 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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