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> > > > > > > Then you jump to the
> > > conclusion...forsaking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > test...7 days later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What conclusion is that??? I don't yet
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you now saying that the AE's might
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If not you've made your conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect...
> > > > "might"??
> > > >
> > > > My conclusion is that at this time we have
> no
> > > idea
> > > > who, why or how the structure was built.
> > >
> > > I will agree that the jury is out
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The one candidate often put forward, the
> 4th
> > > > dynasty AE technological culture, did not
> > have,
> > > > according to the extant archeological
> > physical
> > > > record of their design, tooling
> > >
> > >
> > > in your opinion
> > >
> > > and construction
> > > > capabilities,
> > >
> > > There I disagree with your conclusion,
> strongly
> > >
> > > the construction infrastructure
> > >
> > >
> > > there I completely disagree
> > >
> > > and
> > > > support systems necessary to even conceive
> of
> > > the
> > > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you are going too far
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore conclude that according to the
> > > known
> > > > physical archeological record, it is highly
> > > > unlikely that the Fourth Dynasty AE built
> the
> > > > Great Pyramid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will cede the unlikely based on your
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >
> > > and that the Fourth Dynasty AE can
> > > > be eliminated from the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That last bit sounds suspiciously like a
> > > conclusion
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The pyramid was built by a lost
> technological
> > > > culture.
> > > > Which will remain lost until found.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you doing to find it?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So therefore as yet, I have no conclusion
> as
> > to
> > > > who, when and why.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just who not, when not, and why not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you EVER mentally free associated on the
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > Not even an iota of thought as to what the
> > purpose
> > > might have been?
> > >
> > > Do you want to know?
> > >
> > > Cuz it seems to me is that you only wish to
> > find
> > > out what other think
> > >
> > >
> > > Warwick
> >
> >
> > Well that was a consise collection of
> ridiculous
> > statements wasn't it.
>
>
>
> that's concise to you.

Certainly is....


>
>
> > My interest is in applied techniques,
> > technologies.
>
>
> My interest is in applied beliefs

That figures.....


>
>
> > Some of which are lost in that we have no
> > understanding of how they were achieved.
> > Lost technologies... Mysteries if you will.
> Hence
> > this forum and the debate.
> > I'm not particularly interested in the
> > civilization, race, sex, colour, flavour,
> > nationality or age of the practitioners of the
> > lost technology.
>
>
>
> Now that is a Mystery to ME

So be it......


>
>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in the lost techniques.
> > You say that there are no lost techniques??
>
>
>
> Where did I ever say that???

That's why I asked the question.. the question marks are a dead givaway..


>
>
> > You say that you are fully aware of all of the
> > techniques necessary in the construction of a
> > multi million ton pyramid comprised of many and
> > varied and for me at least, unfathomable
> > techniques??
>
>
> I say that I appreciate the demands of a project
> of this nature...yes.

Are you aware of the execution of all of the demands of the project??? (question marks)



>
>
> > You say that there is no mystery??
>
>
> I have never said that about our past....NEVER!

Thats why I asked a question..


>
>
> > You say that there is no need for a search
> because
> > all has been discovered??
>
>
>
> Never said that either

Coooool.. Just love a mystery.


>
>
> >
> > Then good for you. It must be sheer bliss
> living
> > comfortably in the realm of the all knowing.
> > I however am not convinced, call me Mr.
> sceptical
> > if you like but for now and if you don't have
> any
> > objection I'll go on looking.
> > Because..
> > I'm not convinced.
>
>
>
> NIce little speech wherein you summarised your
> opinion of opinions that I do not share.


Excellent! I'm fully comfortable with that. I'll take it as a compliment.
Thank you.


>
>
> >
> > PS, I'll go on looking even if you do object.
>
>
>
> When did I object? Indeed I thought by asking my
> questions that I was Demanding that you go on
> looking

Thank you, I will.


>
>
> >
> > Oh by the way .. Reverse Engineering... The
> > purpose comes last, not first.
>
> The reason for building something comes first

We're not building something we're deconstructing something.
It was built by someone else. That means... Not us.


>
>
> Unless you are proposing a civilisation of idiot
> savants

No, no, they were very, very intelligent. They probably knew exactly what they were building and how to build it.
Unfortunately they didn't leave us any record whatsoever of who they were, how or why. So therefore we have to start with the bare bones, their finishing point is our starting point.

Reverse or retro engineering.
It'll take time and only amateurs make assumptions.
The purpose comes last.
Be patient...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10-Apr-17 20:21 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3041 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 787 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 721 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 692 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 290 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 335 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 595 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 569 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 549 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 511 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 574 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 689 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 765 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 463 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 551 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 501 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 386 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 299 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 293 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 352 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 289 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 379 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 333 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 373 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 354 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 262 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 198 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 265 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 237 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 249 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 252 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 256 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 225 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 482 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 52 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 46 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 38 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 47 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 48 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 50 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 62 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 548 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 368 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 414 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 331 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 377 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 377 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 401 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 393 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 319 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 324 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 375 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 330 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 487 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 377 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 367 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 377 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 347 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 355 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 509 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 495 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 433 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 391 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 410 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 400 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 456 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 371 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 361 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 366 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 346 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 360 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 346 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 456 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 258 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 404 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 249 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 362 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 405 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 217 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 242 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 334 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 433 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 279 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 333 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 401 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 324 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 356 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 288 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 341 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 381 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 334 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 262 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 309 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 565 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 338 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 344 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 426 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 473 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 357 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 377 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 482 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 527 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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