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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> -----
> > Blistered hand shown..
> >
> > Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped
> tools.
> > Copper tools for experimental purposes.
> >
> > The hard igneos rock, granite work could not
> have
> > been achieved using copper or copper alloy
> tools.
> > Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> > attempt to use copper or copper alloys today,
> and
> > as far as I know have never been used for
> carving
> > or working hard igneous rock.
> > Copper alloys may have been tried in the past
> with
> > similar negative results to that we see today,
> > thus abandoned.
> >
> > Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> > with hardened tips.
> >
> > Something else was afoot.
> > Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> > understanding of, or physical evidence of
> today.
> > A lost technology. Both in material and
> > technique.
> > We first need to fully acknowledge that we have
> no
> > idea how these constructs were produced..
>
>
> It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally
> with people who constantly cite absolutes from
> personal authority as if that's worth more than a
> piece of stale cheese.
>
> First a test is proposed.

WHO proposed a test??? Who first mentioned testing?? Date and time please..

>
> Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the
> test...7 days later.

What conclusion is that??? I don't yet have a conclusion.

>
> I won't mention all the disputed results of
> testing so far. They've been debated to death.

Please do so.


>
> But I will stress that until the right tests are
> done...the jury is still out

What in your considered opinion are the "Right" tests????


>
> Or...you can provide evidence for someone else,
> some other time, for some other reason

?????????????


>
>
> Warwick
>
>
> PS I might just keep repeating this like
> Cladkings Ramp mantra

PS.........Yes you probably will..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3182 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 865 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 770 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 757 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 336 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 381 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 644 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 603 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 579 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 639 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 738 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 822 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 517 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 600 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 550 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 455 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 359 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 336 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 402 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 336 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 434 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 382 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 421 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 405 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 312 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 246 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 316 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 283 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 293 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 300 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 309 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 275 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 556 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 84 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 81 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 70 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 79 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 80 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 86 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 119 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 608 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 462 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 373 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 419 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 426 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 461 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 436 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 363 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 371 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 389 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 429 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 377 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 432 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 480 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 534 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 398 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 477 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 437 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 442 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 560 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 550 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 476 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 446 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 464 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 456 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 507 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 434 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 500 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 428 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 503 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 454 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 295 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 406 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 372 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 378 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 444 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 258 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 378 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 485 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 457 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 378 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 368 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 450 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 412 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 330 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 394 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 324 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 402 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 352 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 617 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 386 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 400 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 490 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 529 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 400 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 427 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 546 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 578 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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