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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> -----
> > Blistered hand shown..
> >
> > Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped
> tools.
> > Copper tools for experimental purposes.
> >
> > The hard igneos rock, granite work could not
> have
> > been achieved using copper or copper alloy
> tools.
> > Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> > attempt to use copper or copper alloys today,
> and
> > as far as I know have never been used for
> carving
> > or working hard igneous rock.
> > Copper alloys may have been tried in the past
> with
> > similar negative results to that we see today,
> > thus abandoned.
> >
> > Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> > with hardened tips.
> >
> > Something else was afoot.
> > Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> > understanding of, or physical evidence of
> today.
> > A lost technology. Both in material and
> > technique.
> > We first need to fully acknowledge that we have
> no
> > idea how these constructs were produced..
>
>
> It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally
> with people who constantly cite absolutes from
> personal authority as if that's worth more than a
> piece of stale cheese.
>
> First a test is proposed.

WHO proposed a test??? Who first mentioned testing?? Date and time please..

>
> Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the
> test...7 days later.

What conclusion is that??? I don't yet have a conclusion.

>
> I won't mention all the disputed results of
> testing so far. They've been debated to death.

Please do so.


>
> But I will stress that until the right tests are
> done...the jury is still out

What in your considered opinion are the "Right" tests????


>
> Or...you can provide evidence for someone else,
> some other time, for some other reason

?????????????


>
>
> Warwick
>
>
> PS I might just keep repeating this like
> Cladkings Ramp mantra

PS.........Yes you probably will..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2505 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 595 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 499 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 498 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 157 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 172 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 431 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 368 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 237 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 403 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 311 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 372 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 530 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 611 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 398 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 355 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 251 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 160 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 169 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 197 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 165 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 218 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 165 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 213 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 167 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 143 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 98 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 138 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 117 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 136 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 119 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 120 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 103 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 291 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 367 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 246 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 286 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 210 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 254 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 228 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 253 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 251 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 189 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 200 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 216 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 250 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 209 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 240 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 254 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 260 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 221 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 240 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 193 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 294 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 245 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 250 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 207 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 222 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 265 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 234 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 219 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 217 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 347 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 340 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 281 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 253 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 272 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 211 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 270 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 247 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 227 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 270 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 239 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 212 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 211 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 268 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 252 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 134 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 261 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 151 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 229 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 223 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 217 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 213 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 242 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 255 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 131 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 118 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 202 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 282 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 143 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 251 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 214 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 205 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 253 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 167 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 196 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 156 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 143 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 219 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 144 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 226 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 135 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 203 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 131 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 166 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 173 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 400 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 210 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 210 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 267 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 312 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 236 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 219 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 271 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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