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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> -----
> > Blistered hand shown..
> >
> > Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped
> tools.
> > Copper tools for experimental purposes.
> >
> > The hard igneos rock, granite work could not
> have
> > been achieved using copper or copper alloy
> tools.
> > Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> > attempt to use copper or copper alloys today,
> and
> > as far as I know have never been used for
> carving
> > or working hard igneous rock.
> > Copper alloys may have been tried in the past
> with
> > similar negative results to that we see today,
> > thus abandoned.
> >
> > Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> > with hardened tips.
> >
> > Something else was afoot.
> > Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> > understanding of, or physical evidence of
> today.
> > A lost technology. Both in material and
> > technique.
> > We first need to fully acknowledge that we have
> no
> > idea how these constructs were produced..
>
>
> It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally
> with people who constantly cite absolutes from
> personal authority as if that's worth more than a
> piece of stale cheese.
>
> First a test is proposed.

WHO proposed a test??? Who first mentioned testing?? Date and time please..

>
> Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the
> test...7 days later.

What conclusion is that??? I don't yet have a conclusion.

>
> I won't mention all the disputed results of
> testing so far. They've been debated to death.

Please do so.


>
> But I will stress that until the right tests are
> done...the jury is still out

What in your considered opinion are the "Right" tests????


>
> Or...you can provide evidence for someone else,
> some other time, for some other reason

?????????????


>
>
> Warwick
>
>
> PS I might just keep repeating this like
> Cladkings Ramp mantra

PS.........Yes you probably will..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2729 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 714 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 638 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 635 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 248 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 279 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 544 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 509 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 506 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 458 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 517 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 649 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 715 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 509 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 462 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 354 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 253 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 258 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 317 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 259 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 325 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 287 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 333 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 304 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 218 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 163 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 222 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 202 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 218 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 203 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 210 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 188 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 439 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 490 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 384 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 291 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 346 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 342 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 355 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 287 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 283 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 340 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 291 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 345 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 314 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 323 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 375 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 293 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 307 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 361 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 459 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 463 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 390 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 342 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 374 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 351 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 402 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 328 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 396 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 298 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 297 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 413 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 231 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 320 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 315 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 299 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 198 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 297 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 391 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 243 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 277 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 315 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 322 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 244 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 235 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 264 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 260 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 516 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 305 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 316 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 382 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 422 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 327 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 326 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 430 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 487 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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