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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> -----
> > Blistered hand shown..
> >
> > Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped
> tools.
> > Copper tools for experimental purposes.
> >
> > The hard igneos rock, granite work could not
> have
> > been achieved using copper or copper alloy
> tools.
> > Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> > attempt to use copper or copper alloys today,
> and
> > as far as I know have never been used for
> carving
> > or working hard igneous rock.
> > Copper alloys may have been tried in the past
> with
> > similar negative results to that we see today,
> > thus abandoned.
> >
> > Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> > with hardened tips.
> >
> > Something else was afoot.
> > Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> > understanding of, or physical evidence of
> today.
> > A lost technology. Both in material and
> > technique.
> > We first need to fully acknowledge that we have
> no
> > idea how these constructs were produced..
>
>
> It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally
> with people who constantly cite absolutes from
> personal authority as if that's worth more than a
> piece of stale cheese.
>
> First a test is proposed.

WHO proposed a test??? Who first mentioned testing?? Date and time please..

>
> Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the
> test...7 days later.

What conclusion is that??? I don't yet have a conclusion.

>
> I won't mention all the disputed results of
> testing so far. They've been debated to death.

Please do so.


>
> But I will stress that until the right tests are
> done...the jury is still out

What in your considered opinion are the "Right" tests????


>
> Or...you can provide evidence for someone else,
> some other time, for some other reason

?????????????


>
>
> Warwick
>
>
> PS I might just keep repeating this like
> Cladkings Ramp mantra

PS.........Yes you probably will..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2459 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 565 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 462 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 458 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 147 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 153 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 398 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 380 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 277 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 503 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 587 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 367 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 322 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 224 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 145 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 152 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 183 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 147 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 191 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 140 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 182 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 142 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 123 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 90 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 120 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 102 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 123 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 100 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 99 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 85 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 269 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 343 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 219 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 270 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 198 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 230 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 204 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 231 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 222 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 170 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 182 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 188 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 228 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 187 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 221 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 189 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 238 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 204 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 239 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 196 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 193 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 216 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 204 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 185 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 171 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 220 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 228 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 195 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 186 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 186 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 241 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 197 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 197 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 197 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 230 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 205 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 198 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 198 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 323 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 318 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 251 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 235 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 249 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 184 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 254 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 224 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 210 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 207 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 223 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 215 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 224 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 191 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 191 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 246 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 211 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 214 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 224 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 182 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 118 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 231 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 141 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 212 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 197 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 195 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 123 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 108 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 173 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 263 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 129 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 182 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 149 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 172 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 198 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 133 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 210 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 127 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 122 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 198 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 123 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 117 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 143 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 153 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 361 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 186 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 172 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 239 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 284 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 219 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 194 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 253 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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