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> > > > Or even iron.
> > >
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Regardless, they must have had at
> least
> > > bronze as the Mesopotamian had been using it
> > for
> > > 1,000yrs before and iron is found in Egypt
> > earlier
> > > than the iron age and is even mentioned in a
> > 6th
> > > Dynasty text: "The doors of Pekh-ka which are
> > in
> > > the abyss open themselves to Pepi, the doors
> of
> > > the iron which is the ceiling of the sky open
> > > themselves to Pepi, and he passeth through
> > them;".
> > > A smelted iron dagger was found in an
> Anatolian
> > > (Hattic) tomb dated to 2500BC and evidence of
> > iron
> > > use dates further in Mesopotamia to at least
> > > 3000BC.
> > >
> >
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
>
> >
> > > 78751,1080745#msg-1080745]Here[/url]
> > >
> > > I think its possible the industrial grade
> tools
> > > used iron but the tooling for the grunt work
> of
> > > quarrying I do not see as reasonable as the
> > > temperatures required to make iron usable on
> a
> > > large scale were too much.
> > >
> > > Of interest from the same thread:
> > > [quote]Maybe the key to the AE stone working
> > > [namely granite] was the discovery of
> > relatively
> > > small caches of iron, even meteoric, which
> they
> > > made into "sacred tools" to build the
> monuments
> > of
> > > the gods. Like I said, these tools must have
> > been
> > > rare meaning they may have only made a
> handful
> > of
> > > them given the limited amount of material
> they
> > > had. If you take all the granite work at
> Giza,
> > for
> > > example, particularly given the fact they had
> > > ample time to fabricate the blocks, in
> reality
> > it
> > > could all be done with just a few saws,
> lathes,
> > > ect.
> > >
> > > If they had only one saw that could only cut
> > one
> > > block a week this means all of the granite in
> > G1
> > > could have been easily cut in well less than
> > 2yrs.
> > > No granite in G1 or G2. The rest of the fine
> > cut
> > > granite at Giza is found facing the Valley
> > > Temple-another 2-3yrs? If you took all the
> cut
> > and
> > > dressed granite blocks attributed to the 4th
> > > Dynasty at Giza and Abu Roash, cutting just
> one
> > > block a week with one saw, I bet you could
> > easily
> > > cut all of it in 5yrs or less. 260 blocks. I
> > don't
> > > know how many blocks of course but for sake
> of
> > > argument say it took 10yrs instead. Now
> imagine
> > > what you could do with two saws running that
> > each
> > > could cut two blocks a week. All of the
> granite
> > > needed could be cut in a few years which of
> > course
> > > in reality would only be a few months for
> each
> > > structure.
> > >
> > > So you've got thousands of poor bastards
> using
> > the
> > > basic tools we know they used to cut the core
> > > blocks with 2 saws at the "saw palace" at the
> > > quarry cutting granite as needed to spec. By
> > the
> > > time they get to the point they would install
> > the
> > > granite it would have already been cut and
> > waiting
> > > for transport which would have obviously been
> > > planned for as that would have taken time as
> > well.
> > >
> > >
> > > At the beginning of the 5th Dynasty we all of
> > > sudden see round columns-the invention of the
> > > lathe perhaps?
> > >
> > > I would also bring up again the "renaissance"
> > of
> > > the NK which we see an explosion of the use
> of
> > > granite which just so happens to coincide
> with
> > the
> > > increased use of iron in Anaotlia (and
> > elsewhere)
> > > and the arrival of the Hyksos, likely
> Hurrians
> > > from Anatolia, and a few centuries later the
> > > Hittites of Anatolia of who the AE had
> > extensive
> > > contact with the NK none greater than the
> time
> > of
> > > Ramses II, the greatest builder of them all.
> I
> > > don't think this is a coincidence.
> > > [/quote]
> > >
> > > > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both
> > ways
> > > in
> > > > that regard.
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > > The hydraulic nature of the Mediterranean
> must
> > be
> > > taken into account when considering the
> > > possibilities regardless of what is actually
> > found
> > > in the archaeological record in Egypt as so
> > much
> > > is missing anyways. This does not give all
> the
> > > answers but at least creates a greater
> baseline
> > to
> > > work with.
> >
> > I'll indeed your indeed with a reminder of my
> view
> > of Giza as a jigsaw puzzle.
> >
> > Just because one can't see where an individual
> > piece goes is not grounds for determining it
> > doesn't fit anywhere.
> >
> > Warwick
>
>
> It's also not grounds for claiming that a
> "possibly" is automatically a "fact" which
> therefore precludes other "possiblies". Right?


Frankly, unless what I post is misinterpreted(highly possible I ain't a Pulitzer winner), I do not state things as a matter of fact but as a conclusion based on m y understanding of the evidence.

My conclusions re Giza are entirely separate for any conclusions I draw re an LC. To propose what you are trying to say I am proposing is just more of you SHOVELING words into my mouth


But it stands to reason that If I conclude the AE's built the Pyramids, I am also concluding that no one else did.

RIGHT?

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2773 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 725 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 665 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 649 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 259 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 288 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 564 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 528 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 521 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 474 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 536 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 666 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 727 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 527 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 475 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 365 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 263 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 268 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 327 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 269 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 342 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 301 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 345 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 319 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 226 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 230 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 208 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 224 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 213 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 219 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 196 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 449 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 512 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 346 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 396 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 301 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 357 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 359 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 380 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 372 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 297 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 303 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 351 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 302 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 338 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 337 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 475 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 478 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 413 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 358 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 383 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 367 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 417 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 348 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 398 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 412 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 237 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 325 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 369 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 195 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 209 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 309 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 406 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 291 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 260 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 318 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 250 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 272 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 274 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 533 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 316 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 324 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 399 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 438 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 337 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 349 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 453 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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