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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Blistered hand shown..
>
> Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped tools.
> Copper tools for experimental purposes.
>
> The hard igneos rock, granite work could not have
> been achieved using copper or copper alloy tools.
> Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> attempt to use copper or copper alloys today, and
> as far as I know have never been used for carving
> or working hard igneous rock.
> Copper alloys may have been tried in the past with
> similar negative results to that we see today,
> thus abandoned.
>
> Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> with hardened tips.
>
> Something else was afoot.
> Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> understanding of, or physical evidence of today.
> A lost technology. Both in material and
> technique.
> We first need to fully acknowledge that we have no
> idea how these constructs were produced..


It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally with people who constantly cite absolutes from personal authority as if that's worth more than a piece of stale cheese.

First a test is proposed.

Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the test...7 days later.

I won't mention all the disputed results of testing so far. They've been debated to death.

But I will stress that until the right tests are done...the jury is still out

Or...you can provide evidence for someone else, some other time, for some other reason


Warwick


PS I might just keep repeating this like Cladkings Ramp mantra


Namaste all

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3120 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 823 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 754 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 725 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 316 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 362 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 626 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 605 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 577 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 553 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 602 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 715 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 794 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 493 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 580 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 528 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 416 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 336 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 317 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 376 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 316 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 410 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 360 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 397 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 382 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 292 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 225 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 292 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 260 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 276 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 278 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 290 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 251 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 527 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 72 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 68 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 57 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 67 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 68 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 71 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 97 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 583 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 393 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 439 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 352 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 403 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 406 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 439 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 418 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 346 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 349 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 404 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 356 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 486 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 391 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 389 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 454 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 512 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 459 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 368 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 536 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 522 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 459 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 440 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 432 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 483 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 462 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 480 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 274 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 354 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 420 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 268 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 360 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 461 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 355 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 392 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 409 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 379 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 337 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 337 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 592 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 362 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 370 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 458 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 504 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 380 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 402 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 517 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 556 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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