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could not have been
Date: April 10, 2017 03:34PM
Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Blistered hand shown..
>
> Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped tools.
> Copper tools for experimental purposes.
>
> The hard igneos rock, granite work could not have
> been achieved using copper or copper alloy tools.
> Which is exactly why we don't use or would even
> attempt to use copper or copper alloys today, and
> as far as I know have never been used for carving
> or working hard igneous rock.
> Copper alloys may have been tried in the past with
> similar negative results to that we see today,
> thus abandoned.
>
> Which is why we went on to develop steel tools
> with hardened tips.
>
> Something else was afoot.
> Something that we have no knowledge of, or
> understanding of, or physical evidence of today.
> A lost technology. Both in material and
> technique.
> We first need to fully acknowledge that we have no
> idea how these constructs were produced..
It's impossible to discuss this topic rationally with people who constantly cite absolutes from personal authority as if that's worth more than a piece of stale cheese.
First a test is proposed.
Then you jump to the conclusion...forsaking the test...7 days later.
I won't mention all the disputed results of testing so far. They've been debated to death.
But I will stress that until the right tests are done...the jury is still out
Or...you can provide evidence for someone else, some other time, for some other reason
Warwick
PS I might just keep repeating this like Cladkings Ramp mantra
Namaste all
Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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02-Apr-17 18:38 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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02-Apr-17 20:05 |
 
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Racho
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04-Apr-17 14:02 |
  
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Fsbirdhouse
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04-Apr-17 14:51 |
   
If on purpose...
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 05:01 |
    
Re: If on purpose...
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Origyptian
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14-Apr-17 05:32 |
  
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake
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Origyptian
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07-Apr-17 13:28 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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SandyJesse
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07-Apr-17 22:42 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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09-Apr-17 16:59 |

Re: B 4 : )
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Thunderbird
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05-Apr-17 05:22 |
 
Re: B 4 : )
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Warwick
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07-Apr-17 17:50 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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07-Apr-17 01:30 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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07-Apr-17 18:03 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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08-Apr-17 10:53 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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08-Apr-17 17:57 |
    
if I carried out a test...
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Racho
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09-Apr-17 02:15 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 08:44 |
      
I did check it out :)
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 05:59 |
       
Re: I did check it out :)
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Origyptian
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25-Apr-17 14:22 |
        
Don't even need to stop to think on this...
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 15:37 |
         
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this...
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 17:20 |
          
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 18:07 |
           
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 19:49 |
            
Would you agree...
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Racho
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25-Apr-17 20:29 |
             
Re: Would you agree...
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Thanos5150
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25-Apr-17 21:07 |
              
Re: Would you agree...
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Origyptian
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25-Apr-17 22:54 |
               
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Racho
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Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Racho
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15-Oct-17 16:49 |
                  
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Jon Ellison
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Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before
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Jon Ellison
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15-Oct-17 19:35 |
                 
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Origyptian
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16-Oct-17 03:27 |
                  
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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16-Oct-17 07:58 |
                   
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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Jon Ellison
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16-Oct-17 09:19 |
                    
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark
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16-Oct-17 11:03 |
             
Re: Would you agree...
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Corpuscles
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25-Apr-17 23:56 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 15:39 |
     
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Fsbirdhouse
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09-Apr-17 22:34 |
      
Re: if I carried out a test...
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 23:20 |
       
could not have been
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:34 |
        
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10-Apr-17 16:18 |
         
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10-Apr-17 17:59 |
           
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10-Apr-17 18:48 |
            
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10-Apr-17 19:18 |
             
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 19:34 |
              
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10-Apr-17 19:55 |
               
Re: could not have been
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Warwick
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11-Apr-17 17:29 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 16:13 |
     
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 16:42 |
      
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09-Apr-17 16:56 |
       
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 17:21 |
        
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Thanos5150
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09-Apr-17 18:00 |
         
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09-Apr-17 18:06 |
          
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09-Apr-17 18:22 |
           
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 18:31 |
            
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:02 |
             
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:41 |
          
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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09-Apr-17 18:44 |
           
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:03 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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09-Apr-17 19:17 |
             
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:48 |
              
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09-Apr-17 20:33 |
               
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:53 |
            
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:06 |
             
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09-Apr-17 23:24 |
              
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 04:42 |
               
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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10-Apr-17 08:50 |
                
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 14:16 |
               
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Thanos5150
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10-Apr-17 15:25 |
                
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:44 |
          
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10-Apr-17 14:44 |
           
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 15:26 |
            
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:54 |
             
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 16:01 |
             
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 16:23 |
              
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 17:06 |
            
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Jon Ellison
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10-Apr-17 16:11 |
             
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 17:23 |
 
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along
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Racho
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08-Apr-17 16:54 |
  
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along
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Warwick
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08-Apr-17 18:23 |
   
Oranges and apples...
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Racho
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09-Apr-17 00:39 |
    
Re: Oranges and apples...
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 15:59 |
  
Re: In plain sight
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Thunderbird
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10-Apr-17 19:53 |
   
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;)
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 06:53 |
    
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;)
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Thunderbird
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15-Apr-17 01:31 |

Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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09-Apr-17 16:47 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 16:52 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 19:49 |
   
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Warwick
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09-Apr-17 19:53 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:09 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 19:49 |
  
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Jon Ellison
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09-Apr-17 19:59 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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09-Apr-17 20:26 |
 
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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10-Apr-17 15:26 |
  
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 15:46 |
   
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Fsbirdhouse
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10-Apr-17 18:45 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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10-Apr-17 18:49 |
    
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Origyptian
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10-Apr-17 18:50 |
     
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head
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Warwick
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10-Apr-17 19:18 |
     
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Racho
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11-Apr-17 06:22 |
      
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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11-Apr-17 09:27 |
       
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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11-Apr-17 19:32 |
        
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 19:38 |
      
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 14:11 |
       
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 14:27 |
        
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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11-Apr-17 14:49 |
         
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 15:27 |
          
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Fsbirdhouse
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11-Apr-17 15:53 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 15:55 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Archae Solenhofen
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11-Apr-17 16:35 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 16:49 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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11-Apr-17 19:54 |
            
once the mistake...
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 00:03 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Thunderbird
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12-Apr-17 04:20 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Origyptian
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12-Apr-17 13:14 |
          
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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11-Apr-17 17:31 |
           
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:17 |
            
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:26 |
             
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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Jon Ellison
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11-Apr-17 18:43 |
              
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly...
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12-Apr-17 14:43 |
            
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11-Apr-17 18:41 |
             
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11-Apr-17 18:48 |
            
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Warwick
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Warwick
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Warwick
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12-Apr-17 17:24 |
                 
science and technology...where minds come to meet
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Racho
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11-Apr-17 20:46 |
                  
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet
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11-Apr-17 21:19 |
                   
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet
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12-Apr-17 15:01 |
                    
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Warwick
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12-Apr-17 17:52 |
                     
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used?
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 20:20 |
                      
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used?
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Origyptian
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12-Apr-17 21:34 |
                       
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this?
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Racho
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12-Apr-17 22:54 |
                        
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this?
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Warwick
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13-Apr-17 17:15 |
                         
taking sides...I suppose so but
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Racho
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14-Apr-17 04:18 |
                   
beating the dead horse...
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20-Apr-17 06:50 |

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Notinham
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11-Apr-17 01:43 |