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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2760 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 724 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 657 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 648 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 257 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 285 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 557 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 520 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 516 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 471 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 532 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 662 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 723 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 523 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 472 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 362 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 259 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 266 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 325 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 264 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 339 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 298 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 343 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 313 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 223 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 228 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 208 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 224 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 210 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 215 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 194 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 447 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 508 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 341 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 393 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 299 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 354 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 351 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 377 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 371 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 295 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 293 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 350 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 299 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 361 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 348 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 345 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 368 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 371 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 471 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 473 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 403 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 354 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 381 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 361 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 411 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 422 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 322 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 206 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 302 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 371 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 255 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 249 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 247 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 270 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 270 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 528 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 314 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 322 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 397 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 434 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 335 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 338 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 448 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 501 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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