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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2697 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 701 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 623 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 624 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 231 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 262 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 531 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 495 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 495 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 445 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 501 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 627 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 703 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 494 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 449 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 339 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 235 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 243 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 285 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 249 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 313 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 268 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 321 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 296 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 208 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 158 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 217 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 192 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 206 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 192 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 204 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 183 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 416 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 476 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 317 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 373 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 282 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 331 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 331 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 351 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 343 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 275 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 268 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 297 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 328 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 279 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 283 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 348 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 297 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 284 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 323 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 279 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 300 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 292 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 445 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 442 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 377 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 330 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 359 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 335 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 392 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 288 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 200 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 351 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 213 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 286 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 293 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 183 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 187 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 281 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 219 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 347 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 280 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 348 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 267 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 269 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 235 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 310 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 291 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 316 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 211 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 208 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 250 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 247 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 497 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 289 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 300 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 372 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 402 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 316 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 314 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 414 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 467 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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