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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > > What I wish someone would do is to chisel
> with
> > > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > > differences. Mesopotamia had been using
> bronze
> > > for a thousand years before the OK which by
> that
> > > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze
> and
> > > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > > claimed to have used to build these structures
> is
> > > missing from the archaeological record who is
> to
> > > say bronze was not utilized as well?
> >
> > Or even iron.
> >
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in that regard.
> >
> > Warwick
>
> Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used
> to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does
> indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but
> if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of
> "iron"




excuse me but...It wasn't me that invoked iron. It was Jon

Pay bloody attention, if you are going to dismiss someone's argument


simply on the basis that the corresponding
> copper tools don't exist in the evidence either,
> then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin
> as well?


If you wish to go there...no one is stopping you.


Now you're using that 'backhoe ' to shovel words into my mouth


>
> In any case, in the spirit of showing how the
> arguments cut both ways, let's also include what
> some of us consider to be a more plausible
> alternative argument: The reason the copper that
> allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be
> found (as are many key tools and methods required
> to achieve such construction) could simply be that
> those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC
> Egyptians.



While I dispute your claim re 'nowhere' I do not dispute the possibility that they were built elsewhen



>
> But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th
> Dynasty must have built those structures


I didn't JUMP to this conclusion

even
> though we don't see the evidence of the copper
> tools that they (allegedly) used,



again I did[ute this point


and then use
> that lack of evidence to also allow the
> possibility of other non-existent tools, you are
> simply attempting to secure the self-consistency
> of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure
> speculation with little basis in fact other than
> the conspicuous contradiction that there's no
> direct evidence that they had anything but soft
> copper-based tools and no indication in the
> documented record that they had the methods to
> achieve such a massive construction project.



Actually...in this instance we WERE discussing(or at least Racho and I were) how do properly put the disputed unknowns to the test. Instead of beating the poor horse senseless.

MY point, which I obviously failed to communicate adequately was and still is..

No matter what tests are carried out, they will not be seen as being good enough here.

UNLESS they are conducted in a professional manner, with the ideal materials , under the ideal conditions, with Fair Witness oversight.


>
> It's a circular argument to first speculate that
> they built all that stuff with non-existent
> copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill.
> BC, and then use that speculation as a logical
> foundation to propose other non-existent tools and
> methods.


As I did not attempt to do that I don't know why you are attributing that to me.

Perhaps in this instance if we tried to stay on topic instead of turning every thread into obtuse verbiage, we might get somewhere.

Or you can come up with some way of falsifying your claim that no one built them.

I say this based on the fact that you repeatedly REFUSE to share who you think may have built them.
When they built them

and why they built them.

This would be a refreshing change from your constant negativity towards those who have formulated opinions and shared them.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2730 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 714 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 639 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 636 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 249 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 281 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 544 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 511 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 508 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 458 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 518 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 651 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 715 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 510 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 463 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 354 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 254 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 259 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 317 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 259 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 327 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 289 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 334 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 304 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 218 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 167 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 223 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 203 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 219 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 203 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 211 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 189 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 439 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 490 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 334 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 385 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 291 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 348 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 343 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 356 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 288 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 283 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 341 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 291 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 303 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 346 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 314 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 323 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 311 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 294 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 296 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 326 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 314 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 461 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 465 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 390 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 342 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 375 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 352 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 402 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 328 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 372 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 299 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 415 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 232 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 321 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 317 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 299 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 305 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 368 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 189 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 200 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 297 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 392 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 245 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 278 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 316 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 249 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 323 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 244 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 329 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 235 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 297 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 225 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 264 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 261 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 517 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 308 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 317 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 384 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 424 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 328 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 327 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 433 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 488 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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