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Warwick Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > What I wish someone would do is to chisel with
> > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > differences. Mesopotamia had been using bronze
> > for a thousand years before the OK which by that
> > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze and
> > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > claimed to have used to build these structures is
> > missing from the archaeological record who is to
> > say bronze was not utilized as well?
>
> Or even iron.
>
> The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways in that regard.
>
> Warwick

Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of "iron" simply on the basis that the corresponding copper tools don't exist in the evidence either, then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin as well?

In any case, in the spirit of showing how the arguments cut both ways, let's also include what some of us consider to be a more plausible alternative argument: The reason the copper that allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be found (as are many key tools and methods required to achieve such construction) could simply be that those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC Egyptians.

But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th Dynasty must have built those structures even though we don't see the evidence of the copper tools that they (allegedly) used, and then use that lack of evidence to also allow the possibility of other non-existent tools, you are simply attempting to secure the self-consistency of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure speculation with little basis in fact other than the conspicuous contradiction that there's no direct evidence that they had anything but soft copper-based tools and no indication in the documented record that they had the methods to achieve such a massive construction project.

It's a circular argument to first speculate that they built all that stuff with non-existent copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill. BC, and then use that speculation as a logical foundation to propose other non-existent tools and methods.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2715 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 708 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 634 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 633 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 241 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 274 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 539 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 503 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 502 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 453 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 640 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 711 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 504 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 457 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 348 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 245 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 254 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 308 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 257 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 320 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 281 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 330 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 301 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 211 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 161 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 218 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 198 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 214 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 200 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 207 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 185 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 427 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 484 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 328 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 381 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 288 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 338 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 365 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 350 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 283 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 279 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 307 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 335 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 285 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 373 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 314 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 301 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 453 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 458 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 384 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 337 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 369 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 341 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 397 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 372 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 294 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 366 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 328 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 409 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 222 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 362 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 186 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 292 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 354 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 274 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 246 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 317 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 233 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 298 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 326 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 228 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 256 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 256 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 508 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 297 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 308 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 378 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 414 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 325 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 322 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 423 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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