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Warwick Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > What I wish someone would do is to chisel with
> > both copper and bronze and compare the
> > differences. Mesopotamia had been using bronze
> > for a thousand years before the OK which by that
> > time the bronze age was well on its way. Its
> > impossible the OK AE were not aware of bronze and
> > given the fact "99.9%" of the copper they are
> > claimed to have used to build these structures is
> > missing from the archaeological record who is to
> > say bronze was not utilized as well?
>
> Or even iron.
>
> The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways in that regard.
>
> Warwick

Respectfully, the lack of evidence of tools used to build those structures in the 3rd mill. BC does indeed allow the arguments to cut both ways, but if you're going to invoke the pure speculation of "iron" simply on the basis that the corresponding copper tools don't exist in the evidence either, then why not also invoke a non-terrestrial origin as well?

In any case, in the spirit of showing how the arguments cut both ways, let's also include what some of us consider to be a more plausible alternative argument: The reason the copper that allegedly built those structures is nowhere to be found (as are many key tools and methods required to achieve such construction) could simply be that those structures were not built by 3rd mill. BC Egyptians.

But when you jump to the conclusion the 4th Dynasty must have built those structures even though we don't see the evidence of the copper tools that they (allegedly) used, and then use that lack of evidence to also allow the possibility of other non-existent tools, you are simply attempting to secure the self-consistency of the traditional narrative, but it's all pure speculation with little basis in fact other than the conspicuous contradiction that there's no direct evidence that they had anything but soft copper-based tools and no indication in the documented record that they had the methods to achieve such a massive construction project.

It's a circular argument to first speculate that they built all that stuff with non-existent copper-based tools and methods in the 3rd mill. BC, and then use that speculation as a logical foundation to propose other non-existent tools and methods.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3120 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 823 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 754 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 725 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 316 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 362 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 626 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 605 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 577 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 553 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 602 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 715 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 794 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 493 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 580 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 528 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 416 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 337 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 317 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 377 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 316 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 410 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 360 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 397 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 382 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 292 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 225 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 292 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 260 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 276 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 278 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 290 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 251 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 527 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 72 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 68 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 57 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 67 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 68 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 71 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 97 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 583 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 393 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 439 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 352 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 404 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 406 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 439 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 418 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 346 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 349 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 404 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 356 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 486 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 447 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 389 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 455 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 512 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 459 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 474 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 404 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 407 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 368 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 369 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 425 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 536 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 522 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 459 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 425 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 440 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 432 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 483 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 462 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 475 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 394 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 480 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 274 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 354 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 420 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 431 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 268 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 360 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 461 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 430 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 358 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 351 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 425 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 355 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 363 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 395 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 392 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 409 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 379 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 338 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 337 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 592 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 362 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 371 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 458 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 504 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 380 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 402 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 517 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 556 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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