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Brass tools, steel tools, and hard tipped tools. Copper tools for experimental purposes.

The hard igneos rock, granite work could not have been achieved using copper or copper alloy tools.
Which is exactly why we don't use or would even attempt to use copper or copper alloys today, and as far as I know have never been used for carving or working hard igneous rock.
Copper alloys may have been tried in the past with similar negative results to that we see today, thus abandoned.

Which is why we went on to develop steel tools with hardened tips.

Something else was afoot.
Something that we have no knowledge of, or understanding of, or physical evidence of today.
A lost technology. Both in material and technique.
We first need to fully acknowledge that we have no idea how these constructs were produced..

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2773 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 725 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 665 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 649 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 259 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 288 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 564 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 528 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 521 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 474 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 536 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 666 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 727 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 527 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 475 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 365 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 263 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 268 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 327 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 269 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 342 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 301 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 345 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 319 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 226 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 230 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 208 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 224 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 213 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 219 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 196 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 449 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 512 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 346 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 396 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 300 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 357 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 359 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 380 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 372 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 297 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 303 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 351 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 302 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 338 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 337 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 417 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 475 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 478 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 413 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 358 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 383 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 367 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 417 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 348 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 398 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 412 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 237 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 325 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 369 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 195 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 209 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 309 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 406 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 308 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 291 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 260 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 318 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 249 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 272 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 274 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 533 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 316 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 324 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 399 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 438 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 337 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 349 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 453 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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