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Warwick Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > Warwick Wrote:
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> > > Or even iron.
> >
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Regardless, they must have had at least
> > bronze as the Mesopotamian had been using it
> for
> > 1,000yrs before and iron is found in Egypt
> earlier
> > than the iron age and is even mentioned in a
> 6th
> > Dynasty text: "The doors of Pekh-ka which are
> in
> > the abyss open themselves to Pepi, the doors of
> > the iron which is the ceiling of the sky open
> > themselves to Pepi, and he passeth through
> them;".
> > A smelted iron dagger was found in an Anatolian
> > (Hattic) tomb dated to 2500BC and evidence of
> iron
> > use dates further in Mesopotamia to at least
> > 3000BC.
> >
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
>
> > 78751,1080745#msg-1080745]Here[/url]
> >
> > I think its possible the industrial grade tools
> > used iron but the tooling for the grunt work of
> > quarrying I do not see as reasonable as the
> > temperatures required to make iron usable on a
> > large scale were too much.
> >
> > Of interest from the same thread:
> > [quote]Maybe the key to the AE stone working
> > [namely granite] was the discovery of
> relatively
> > small caches of iron, even meteoric, which they
> > made into "sacred tools" to build the monuments
> of
> > the gods. Like I said, these tools must have
> been
> > rare meaning they may have only made a handful
> of
> > them given the limited amount of material they
> > had. If you take all the granite work at Giza,
> for
> > example, particularly given the fact they had
> > ample time to fabricate the blocks, in reality
> it
> > could all be done with just a few saws, lathes,
> > ect.
> >
> > If they had only one saw that could only cut
> one
> > block a week this means all of the granite in
> G1
> > could have been easily cut in well less than
> 2yrs.
> > No granite in G1 or G2. The rest of the fine
> cut
> > granite at Giza is found facing the Valley
> > Temple-another 2-3yrs? If you took all the cut
> and
> > dressed granite blocks attributed to the 4th
> > Dynasty at Giza and Abu Roash, cutting just one
> > block a week with one saw, I bet you could
> easily
> > cut all of it in 5yrs or less. 260 blocks. I
> don't
> > know how many blocks of course but for sake of
> > argument say it took 10yrs instead. Now imagine
> > what you could do with two saws running that
> each
> > could cut two blocks a week. All of the granite
> > needed could be cut in a few years which of
> course
> > in reality would only be a few months for each
> > structure.
> >
> > So you've got thousands of poor bastards using
> the
> > basic tools we know they used to cut the core
> > blocks with 2 saws at the "saw palace" at the
> > quarry cutting granite as needed to spec. By
> the
> > time they get to the point they would install
> the
> > granite it would have already been cut and
> waiting
> > for transport which would have obviously been
> > planned for as that would have taken time as
> well.
> >
> >
> > At the beginning of the 5th Dynasty we all of
> > sudden see round columns-the invention of the
> > lathe perhaps?
> >
> > I would also bring up again the "renaissance"
> of
> > the NK which we see an explosion of the use of
> > granite which just so happens to coincide with
> the
> > increased use of iron in Anaotlia (and
> elsewhere)
> > and the arrival of the Hyksos, likely Hurrians
> > from Anatolia, and a few centuries later the
> > Hittites of Anatolia of who the AE had
> extensive
> > contact with the NK none greater than the time
> of
> > Ramses II, the greatest builder of them all. I
> > don't think this is a coincidence.
> > [/quote]
> >
> > > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both
> ways
> > in
> > > that regard.
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > The hydraulic nature of the Mediterranean must
> be
> > taken into account when considering the
> > possibilities regardless of what is actually
> found
> > in the archaeological record in Egypt as so
> much
> > is missing anyways. This does not give all the
> > answers but at least creates a greater baseline
> to
> > work with.
>
> I'll indeed your indeed with a reminder of my view
> of Giza as a jigsaw puzzle.
>
> Just because one can't see where an individual
> piece goes is not grounds for determining it
> doesn't fit anywhere.
>
> Warwick


It's also not grounds for claiming that a "possibly" is automatically a "fact" which therefore precludes other "possiblies". Right?

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2715 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 707 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 634 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 633 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 241 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 274 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 539 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 503 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 501 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 451 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 638 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 711 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 502 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 457 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 348 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 244 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 254 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 308 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 257 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 320 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 281 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 330 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 301 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 211 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 161 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 218 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 198 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 214 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 200 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 206 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 185 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 427 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 484 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 328 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 381 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 287 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 344 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 338 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 350 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 283 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 276 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 307 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 334 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 285 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 295 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 372 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 302 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 317 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 320 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 438 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 300 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 310 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 321 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 453 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 458 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 384 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 337 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 368 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 341 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 397 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 371 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 392 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 294 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 366 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 328 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 409 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 215 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 310 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 296 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 300 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 349 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 186 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 292 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 389 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 353 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 301 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 274 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 280 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 245 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 319 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 317 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 233 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 298 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 326 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 228 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 220 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 256 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 255 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 508 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 297 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 307 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 378 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 413 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 325 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 322 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 422 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 483 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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