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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > > What classification and specification of
> modern
> > > copper most closely resembles that of the
> > copper
> > > available during the AE fourth dynasty?
> > >
> > > How would a modern copper of similar
> > > classification and specification to that of
> the
> > AE
> > > 4th dynasty impact upon the functionality of
> > any
> > > tooling and any tooling materials
> experiments?
> > > Are we suggesting that 4th AE copper tooling
> > was
> > > of a higher and more suitable specification
> > than
> > > today's copper alloys?
> >
> >
> > Not commenting either way. I am merely
> > recognising that any difference will call into
> > question the resu


> If we were to use a modern copper alloy of a
> higher specification than all known AE examples.
> How would we interpret the results?


they would be inconclusive and disputed


>
>
> >
> >
> > > Or even at the very least in terms of granite
> > > working, todays forged tool steel and
> tungsten
> > > carbide tipped tools?
> >
> > How we do it today is not the question.
>
> How we do it today is dictated by the worked
> material itself, which is unchanged since AE
> times, Red Granite.
> Today it is absolutely necessary to use forged
> tool steel and tungsten carbide.


In your opinion


A necessary
> process which supports a modern global industry in
> tool production.
> Has the red granite become harder and more
> difficult to work over the last 4500 years or so?


of course not, don't be silly.


>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > With regard to granite working. Did the 4th
> AE
> > > have the means to produce and have the use of
> > > forged Steel tools?
> >
> > They had access to iron, they had access to the
> > requirements for steeling iron. While I do not
> > think they did I do not rule it out either
>
> Where did the 4th AE obtain their iron?

where did I say they did?

> How did they convert their iron into steel alloy?

where did I say they did?

> Are there any examples of 4th AE steel alloy?

not to my knowedge , no. are tghere any examples of same from an earlier civilisation?


>
> Iron isn't forged tool steel and tungsten carbide,
> nowhere near.

where did I say it was?

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2772 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 725 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 664 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 649 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 259 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 288 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 564 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 528 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 520 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 474 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 536 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 665 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 726 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 415 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 527 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 475 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 364 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 262 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 268 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 326 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 269 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 342 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 300 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 345 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 319 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 226 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 230 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 208 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 224 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 213 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 219 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 195 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 449 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 512 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 346 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 395 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 300 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 357 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 359 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 380 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 372 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 297 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 303 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 351 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 302 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 313 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 423 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 363 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 316 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 338 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 465 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 308 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 318 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 306 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 369 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 375 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 475 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 477 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 413 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 358 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 383 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 367 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 417 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 347 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 412 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 334 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 309 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 343 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 355 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 427 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 237 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 227 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 324 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 369 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 373 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 194 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 208 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 309 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 406 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 374 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 314 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 291 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 260 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 336 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 331 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 255 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 317 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 344 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 249 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 272 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 274 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 533 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 316 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 324 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 399 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 438 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 336 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 349 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 453 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 504 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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