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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > > What classification and specification of
> modern
> > > copper most closely resembles that of the
> > copper
> > > available during the AE fourth dynasty?
> > >
> > > How would a modern copper of similar
> > > classification and specification to that of
> the
> > AE
> > > 4th dynasty impact upon the functionality of
> > any
> > > tooling and any tooling materials
> experiments?
> > > Are we suggesting that 4th AE copper tooling
> > was
> > > of a higher and more suitable specification
> > than
> > > today's copper alloys?
> >
> >
> > Not commenting either way. I am merely
> > recognising that any difference will call into
> > question the resu


> If we were to use a modern copper alloy of a
> higher specification than all known AE examples.
> How would we interpret the results?


they would be inconclusive and disputed


>
>
> >
> >
> > > Or even at the very least in terms of granite
> > > working, todays forged tool steel and
> tungsten
> > > carbide tipped tools?
> >
> > How we do it today is not the question.
>
> How we do it today is dictated by the worked
> material itself, which is unchanged since AE
> times, Red Granite.
> Today it is absolutely necessary to use forged
> tool steel and tungsten carbide.


In your opinion


A necessary
> process which supports a modern global industry in
> tool production.
> Has the red granite become harder and more
> difficult to work over the last 4500 years or so?


of course not, don't be silly.


>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > With regard to granite working. Did the 4th
> AE
> > > have the means to produce and have the use of
> > > forged Steel tools?
> >
> > They had access to iron, they had access to the
> > requirements for steeling iron. While I do not
> > think they did I do not rule it out either
>
> Where did the 4th AE obtain their iron?

where did I say they did?

> How did they convert their iron into steel alloy?

where did I say they did?

> Are there any examples of 4th AE steel alloy?

not to my knowedge , no. are tghere any examples of same from an earlier civilisation?


>
> Iron isn't forged tool steel and tungsten carbide,
> nowhere near.

where did I say it was?

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3111 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 817 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 753 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 722 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 314 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 359 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 623 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 602 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 574 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 552 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 601 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 713 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 793 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 489 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 578 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 525 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 413 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 331 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 314 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 375 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 313 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 407 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 357 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 395 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 381 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 290 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 222 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 290 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 258 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 273 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 274 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 288 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 249 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 523 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 72 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 64 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 57 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 65 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 67 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 69 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 93 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 580 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 391 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 437 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 351 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 401 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 402 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 434 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 415 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 343 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 347 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 366 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 397 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 353 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 484 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 397 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 443 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 395 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 450 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 357 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 402 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 510 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 374 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 457 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 378 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 416 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 386 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 367 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 424 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 390 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 380 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 533 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 519 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 457 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 420 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 434 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 429 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 480 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 399 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 403 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 384 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 458 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 470 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 391 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 388 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 431 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 400 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 383 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 409 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 477 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 272 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 384 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 367 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 356 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 416 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 428 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 266 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 358 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 459 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 302 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 429 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 357 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 350 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 424 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 353 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 362 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 394 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 386 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 366 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 407 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 304 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 283 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 336 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 334 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 591 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 361 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 369 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 454 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 501 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 380 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 400 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 515 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 555 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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