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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > What classification and specification of modern
> > copper most closely resembles that of the
> copper
> > available during the AE fourth dynasty?
> >
> > How would a modern copper of similar
> > classification and specification to that of the
> AE
> > 4th dynasty impact upon the functionality of
> any
> > tooling and any tooling materials experiments?
> > Are we suggesting that 4th AE copper tooling
> was
> > of a higher and more suitable specification
> than
> > today's copper alloys?
>
>
> Not commenting either way. I am merely
> recognising that any difference will call into
> question the results

If we were to use a modern copper alloy of a higher specification than all known AE examples. How would we interpret the results?


>
>
> > Or even at the very least in terms of granite
> > working, todays forged tool steel and tungsten
> > carbide tipped tools?
>
> How we do it today is not the question.

How we do it today is dictated by the worked material itself, which is unchanged since AE times, Red Granite.
Today it is absolutely necessary to use forged tool steel and tungsten carbide. A necessary process which supports a modern global industry in tool production.
Has the red granite become harder and more difficult to work over the last 4500 years or so?


>
>
> >
> > With regard to granite working. Did the 4th AE
> > have the means to produce and have the use of
> > forged Steel tools?
>
> They had access to iron, they had access to the
> requirements for steeling iron. While I do not
> think they did I do not rule it out either

Where did the 4th AE obtain their iron?
How did they convert their iron into steel alloy?
Are there any examples of 4th AE steel alloy?

Iron isn't forged tool steel and tungsten carbide, nowhere near.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09-Apr-17 19:19 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 3039 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 785 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 720 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 691 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 289 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 334 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 594 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 568 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 356 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 548 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 510 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 573 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 688 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 764 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 462 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 550 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 500 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 385 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 298 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 292 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 351 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 288 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 378 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 332 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 372 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 353 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 261 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 197 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 264 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 236 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 248 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 251 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 255 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 223 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 480 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 51 Racho 20-Dec-19 20:04
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 45 Martin Stower 20-Dec-19 23:47
? 37 Racho 21-Dec-19 01:25
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 46 Open mind 21-Dec-19 02:03
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 47 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 04:19
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 49 Open mind 21-Dec-19 05:07
Re: an ancient quarry in France...same markings on side of a 'cliff' 61 Thanos5150 21-Dec-19 16:25
Re: Would you agree... 547 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 367 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 413 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 330 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 376 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 376 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 399 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 391 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 318 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 323 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 343 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 374 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 329 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 446 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 375 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 410 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 361 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 349 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 427 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 369 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 486 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 342 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 433 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 445 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 366 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 376 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 351 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 338 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 389 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 358 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 346 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 364 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 354 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 508 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 494 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 431 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 390 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 408 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 399 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 455 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 370 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 360 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 377 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 430 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 444 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 365 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 362 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 345 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 406 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 375 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 359 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 385 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 345 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 455 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 257 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 361 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 343 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 333 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 390 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 404 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 216 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 241 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 333 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 432 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 278 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 402 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 326 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 400 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 323 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 337 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 355 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 281 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 359 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 360 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 284 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 340 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 380 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 282 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 332 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 260 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 308 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 564 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 337 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 343 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 425 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 472 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 356 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 376 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 481 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 526 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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