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Warwick Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > What classification and specification of modern
> > copper most closely resembles that of the
> copper
> > available during the AE fourth dynasty?
> >
> > How would a modern copper of similar
> > classification and specification to that of the
> AE
> > 4th dynasty impact upon the functionality of
> any
> > tooling and any tooling materials experiments?
> > Are we suggesting that 4th AE copper tooling
> was
> > of a higher and more suitable specification
> than
> > today's copper alloys?
>
>
> Not commenting either way. I am merely
> recognising that any difference will call into
> question the results

If we were to use a modern copper alloy of a higher specification than all known AE examples. How would we interpret the results?


>
>
> > Or even at the very least in terms of granite
> > working, todays forged tool steel and tungsten
> > carbide tipped tools?
>
> How we do it today is not the question.

How we do it today is dictated by the worked material itself, which is unchanged since AE times, Red Granite.
Today it is absolutely necessary to use forged tool steel and tungsten carbide. A necessary process which supports a modern global industry in tool production.
Has the red granite become harder and more difficult to work over the last 4500 years or so?


>
>
> >
> > With regard to granite working. Did the 4th AE
> > have the means to produce and have the use of
> > forged Steel tools?
>
> They had access to iron, they had access to the
> requirements for steeling iron. While I do not
> think they did I do not rule it out either

Where did the 4th AE obtain their iron?
How did they convert their iron into steel alloy?
Are there any examples of 4th AE steel alloy?

Iron isn't forged tool steel and tungsten carbide, nowhere near.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09-Apr-17 19:19 by Jon Ellison.

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2582 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 639 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 547 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 549 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 181 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 206 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 472 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 413 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 261 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 441 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 356 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 418 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 568 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 647 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 435 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 390 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 284 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 188 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 198 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 229 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 200 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 259 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 205 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 254 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 208 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 169 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 117 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 164 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 148 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 164 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 149 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 155 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 136 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 336 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 406 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 272 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 325 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 233 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 281 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 272 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 292 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 287 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 219 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 224 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 246 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 280 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 233 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 254 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 292 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 259 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 254 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 291 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 256 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 270 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 256 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 372 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 232 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 347 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 284 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 242 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 229 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 290 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 247 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 251 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 259 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 248 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 385 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 377 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 318 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 276 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 305 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 261 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 315 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 274 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 261 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 280 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 257 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 305 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 268 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 249 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 239 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 299 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 273 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 262 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 277 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 221 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 333 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 152 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 294 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 173 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 260 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 258 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 240 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 238 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 292 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 146 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 138 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 228 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 323 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 172 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 285 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 234 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 291 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 192 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 218 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 188 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 175 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 252 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 178 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 239 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 258 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 164 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 159 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 197 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 202 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 440 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 243 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 247 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 308 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 348 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 266 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 259 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 326 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 401 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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