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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Warwick Wrote:
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> > Or even iron.
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Regardless, they must have had at least
> bronze as the Mesopotamian had been using it for
> 1,000yrs before and iron is found in Egypt earlier
> than the iron age and is even mentioned in a 6th
> Dynasty text: "The doors of Pekh-ka which are in
> the abyss open themselves to Pepi, the doors of
> the iron which is the ceiling of the sky open
> themselves to Pepi, and he passeth through them;".
> A smelted iron dagger was found in an Anatolian
> (Hattic) tomb dated to 2500BC and evidence of iron
> use dates further in Mesopotamia to at least
> 3000BC.
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 78751,1080745#msg-1080745]Here[/url]
>
> I think its possible the industrial grade tools
> used iron but the tooling for the grunt work of
> quarrying I do not see as reasonable as the
> temperatures required to make iron usable on a
> large scale were too much.
>
> Of interest from the same thread:
> [quote]Maybe the key to the AE stone working
> [namely granite] was the discovery of relatively
> small caches of iron, even meteoric, which they
> made into "sacred tools" to build the monuments of
> the gods. Like I said, these tools must have been
> rare meaning they may have only made a handful of
> them given the limited amount of material they
> had. If you take all the granite work at Giza, for
> example, particularly given the fact they had
> ample time to fabricate the blocks, in reality it
> could all be done with just a few saws, lathes,
> ect.
>
> If they had only one saw that could only cut one
> block a week this means all of the granite in G1
> could have been easily cut in well less than 2yrs.
> No granite in G1 or G2. The rest of the fine cut
> granite at Giza is found facing the Valley
> Temple-another 2-3yrs? If you took all the cut and
> dressed granite blocks attributed to the 4th
> Dynasty at Giza and Abu Roash, cutting just one
> block a week with one saw, I bet you could easily
> cut all of it in 5yrs or less. 260 blocks. I don't
> know how many blocks of course but for sake of
> argument say it took 10yrs instead. Now imagine
> what you could do with two saws running that each
> could cut two blocks a week. All of the granite
> needed could be cut in a few years which of course
> in reality would only be a few months for each
> structure.
>
> So you've got thousands of poor bastards using the
> basic tools we know they used to cut the core
> blocks with 2 saws at the "saw palace" at the
> quarry cutting granite as needed to spec. By the
> time they get to the point they would install the
> granite it would have already been cut and waiting
> for transport which would have obviously been
> planned for as that would have taken time as well.
>
>
> At the beginning of the 5th Dynasty we all of
> sudden see round columns-the invention of the
> lathe perhaps?
>
> I would also bring up again the "renaissance" of
> the NK which we see an explosion of the use of
> granite which just so happens to coincide with the
> increased use of iron in Anaotlia (and elsewhere)
> and the arrival of the Hyksos, likely Hurrians
> from Anatolia, and a few centuries later the
> Hittites of Anatolia of who the AE had extensive
> contact with the NK none greater than the time of
> Ramses II, the greatest builder of them all. I
> don't think this is a coincidence.
> [/quote]
>
> > The arguments re lack of evidence cut both ways
> in
> > that regard.
>
> Indeed.
>
> The hydraulic nature of the Mediterranean must be
> taken into account when considering the
> possibilities regardless of what is actually found
> in the archaeological record in Egypt as so much
> is missing anyways. This does not give all the
> answers but at least creates a greater baseline to
> work with.

I'll indeed your indeed with a reminder of my view of Giza as a jigsaw puzzle.

Just because one can't see where an individual piece goes is not grounds for determining it doesn't fit anywhere.

Warwick

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Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 2760 Racho 02-Apr-17 18:38
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 724 Fsbirdhouse 02-Apr-17 20:05
Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 657 Racho 04-Apr-17 14:02
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 648 Fsbirdhouse 04-Apr-17 14:51
If on purpose... 256 Racho 14-Apr-17 05:01
Re: If on purpose... 285 Origyptian 14-Apr-17 05:32
Re: Whoever operated this saw (2:30 min mark)...made a mistake 557 Origyptian 07-Apr-17 13:28
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 520 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 22:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 16:59
Re: B 4 : ) 516 Thunderbird 05-Apr-17 05:22
Re: B 4 : ) 471 Warwick 07-Apr-17 17:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 532 SandyJesse 07-Apr-17 01:30
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 662 Warwick 07-Apr-17 18:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 723 Jon Ellison 08-Apr-17 10:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 411 Warwick 08-Apr-17 17:57
if I carried out a test... 523 Racho 09-Apr-17 02:15
Re: if I carried out a test... 472 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 08:44
I did check it out :) 362 Racho 25-Apr-17 05:59
Re: I did check it out :) 258 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 14:22
Don't even need to stop to think on this... 265 Racho 25-Apr-17 15:37
Re: Don't even need to stop to think on this... 324 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 17:20
I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 264 Racho 25-Apr-17 18:07
Re: I believe you are a copper/bronze tool proponent 339 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 19:49
Would you agree... 297 Racho 25-Apr-17 20:29
Re: Would you agree... 342 Thanos5150 25-Apr-17 21:07
Re: Would you agree... 313 Origyptian 25-Apr-17 22:54
...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 223 Racho 15-Oct-17 05:46
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 172 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 14:26
precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 228 Racho 15-Oct-17 16:49
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 208 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:20
Re: precision cut at 7:08 min mark...interesting photo angle I haven't seen before 224 Jon Ellison 15-Oct-17 19:35
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 210 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 03:27
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 215 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 07:58
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 194 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 09:19
Re: ...just a lot of similarities at the 36 second mark and super telltale machine markings at 9:30 min mark 447 Jon Ellison 16-Oct-17 11:03
Re: Would you agree... 508 Corpuscles 25-Apr-17 23:56
Re: if I carried out a test... 341 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:39
Re: if I carried out a test... 393 Fsbirdhouse 09-Apr-17 22:34
Re: if I carried out a test... 299 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 23:20
could not have been 353 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:34
Re: could not have been 351 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:18
Re: could not have been 377 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:29
Re: could not have been 370 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 17:59
Re: could not have been 295 Warwick 10-Apr-17 18:48
Re: could not have been 292 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:18
Re: could not have been 321 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:34
Re: could not have been 350 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 19:55
Re: could not have been 299 Warwick 11-Apr-17 17:29
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:13
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 419 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 350 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 16:56
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Warwick 09-Apr-17 17:21
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 382 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:00
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 330 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 18:22
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 360 Warwick 09-Apr-17 18:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 323 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:02
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 387 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:41
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 312 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 18:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:03
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 327 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:17
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 333 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:48
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 460 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 20:33
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 414 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 421 Thanos5150 09-Apr-17 23:24
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 348 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 04:42
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 345 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 08:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 335 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:16
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 315 Thanos5150 10-Apr-17 15:25
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 368 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 14:44
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 324 Warwick 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 319 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:54
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 325 Warwick 10-Apr-17 16:01
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 371 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:23
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:06
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Jon Ellison 10-Apr-17 16:11
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 322 Warwick 10-Apr-17 17:23
I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 471 Racho 08-Apr-17 16:54
Re: I've come to recognize that I was wrong all along 472 Warwick 08-Apr-17 18:23
Oranges and apples... 403 Racho 09-Apr-17 00:39
Re: Oranges and apples... 354 Warwick 09-Apr-17 15:59
Re: In plain sight 381 Thunderbird 10-Apr-17 19:53
It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 361 Racho 14-Apr-17 06:53
Re: It is in plain sight...or plane sight ;) 411 Thunderbird 15-Apr-17 01:31
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 352 Archae Solenhofen 09-Apr-17 16:47
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 336 Warwick 09-Apr-17 16:52
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 344 Warwick 09-Apr-17 19:53
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 329 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:09
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 393 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 19:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 408 Jon Ellison 09-Apr-17 19:59
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 332 Origyptian 09-Apr-17 20:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 331 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 15:26
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 304 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 15:46
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 381 Fsbirdhouse 10-Apr-17 18:45
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 341 Eddie Larry 10-Apr-17 18:49
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 339 Origyptian 10-Apr-17 18:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 353 Warwick 10-Apr-17 19:18
unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 309 Racho 11-Apr-17 06:22
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 422 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 09:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:32
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:38
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 224 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:11
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 14:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 322 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 14:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:27
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 311 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 15:53
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 365 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 15:55
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 16:35
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 193 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 16:49
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 206 Origyptian 11-Apr-17 19:54
once the mistake... 302 Racho 12-Apr-17 00:03
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 403 Thunderbird 12-Apr-17 04:20
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 13:14
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 370 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 17:31
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 312 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:17
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 306 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:26
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 376 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 287 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 14:43
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 303 Archae Solenhofen 11-Apr-17 18:41
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 328 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 18:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 254 Fsbirdhouse 11-Apr-17 18:48
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 330 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:00
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 255 Warwick 11-Apr-17 19:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 327 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 19:59
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 248 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 313 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:34
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 338 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:29
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 247 Warwick 11-Apr-17 20:37
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 307 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 20:45
Re: unless the cuts were being made very, very quickly... 236 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:24
science and technology...where minds come to meet 270 Racho 11-Apr-17 20:46
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 270 Jon Ellison 11-Apr-17 21:19
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 528 Archae Solenhofen 12-Apr-17 15:01
Re: science and technology...where minds come to meet 313 Warwick 12-Apr-17 17:52
43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 322 Racho 12-Apr-17 20:20
Re: 43 second mark ...anyone care to take a crack at which tools were used? 396 Origyptian 12-Apr-17 21:34
and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 434 Racho 12-Apr-17 22:54
Re: and just after 30:30 min mark..china cave - chisels did this? 334 Warwick 13-Apr-17 17:15
taking sides...I suppose so but 338 Racho 14-Apr-17 04:18
beating the dead horse... 447 Racho 20-Apr-17 06:50
Re: Carved all this out with copper tools? Hell, I'll give em hardened steel and still scratch my head 501 Notinham 11-Apr-17 01:43


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