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cladking Wrote:
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> We know exactly what Egyptological methodology is.
> They read old opinions based on translating and
> interpreting the Pyramid Texts in terms of the
> book of the dead until they get a new idea about
> the way "it mustta been". This they use lots of
> ibids and et als to prove they are right.
>
> Meanwhile physical evidence isn't even considered
> while no new evidence is being gathered.

. . . by you, evidently.

M.

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Imhotep 3264 Rofhessa 26-Feb-17 11:39
Re: Imhotep 397 Lee McGiffen 27-Feb-17 12:15
Re: Imhotep 531 Origyptian 27-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 523 Thanos5150 27-Feb-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 406 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 07:53
Re: Imhotep 371 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:34
Re: Imhotep 324 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:26
Re: Imhotep 383 Rofhessa 03-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 298 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 17:04
Re: Imhotep 354 Rofhessa 05-Mar-17 19:14
Re: Imhotep 331 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 19:07
Re: Imhotep 297 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:30
Re: Imhotep 290 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 312 cladking 28-Feb-17 17:00
Re: Imhotep 389 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:59
Re: Imhotep 395 cladking 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 306 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:46
Re: Imhotep 302 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:08
Re: Imhotep 248 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
Re: Imhotep 227 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 21:58
Re: Imhotep 240 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:05
Re: Imhotep 242 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:14
Re: Imhotep 328 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:25
Re: Imhotep 465 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:30
Re: Imhotep 326 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:52
Re: Imhotep 326 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:58
Re: Imhotep 233 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Imhotep 334 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 258 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:09
Re: Imhotep 335 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 344 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
Re: Imhotep 314 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:56
Re: Imhotep 304 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 04:30
Re: Imhotep 395 Audrey 01-Mar-17 05:03
Re: Imhotep 301 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 06:36
Re: Imhotep 338 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Imhotep 285 Audrey 01-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 263 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 04:13
Re: Imhotep 236 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Imhotep 340 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 22:39
Re: Imhotep 327 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:55
Re: Imhotep 256 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:43
Re: Imhotep 261 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:07
Re: Imhotep 254 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 339 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:20
Re: Imhotep 371 Audrey 01-Mar-17 04:43
Re: Imhotep 297 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 14:13
Re: Imhotep 405 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:35
Re: Imhotep 286 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 307 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 15:57
Re: Imhotep 376 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 03:36
Re: Imhotep 298 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:50
Re: Imhotep 223 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:33
Re: Imhotep 311 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 322 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:56
Re: Imhotep 224 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:30
The weaselling continues. 214 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 330 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 283 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
Re: Imhotep 287 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:21
Re: Imhotep 301 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 15:50
Re: Imhotep 342 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Imhotep 217 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 16:11
Re: Imhotep 236 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:30
Re: Imhotep 340 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 287 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 332 sfbey 01-Mar-17 17:57
Re: Imhotep 308 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:31
Re: Imhotep 257 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 264 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:26
Utterance #373 357 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
Re: Utterance #373 295 Corpuscles 02-Mar-17 19:23
Re: Utterance #373 233 cladking 02-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 318 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 325 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Imhotep 194 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 361 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:26
Re: Imhotep 230 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Imhotep 255 Audrey 01-Mar-17 17:07
Re: Imhotep 221 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 257 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:42
Re: Imhotep 318 Audrey 01-Mar-17 18:10
Great Post 326 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
Re: Imhotep 311 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 23:05
Re: Imhotep 427 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 355 Audrey 02-Mar-17 06:48
Re: Imhotep 281 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 11:32
Re: Imhotep 227 Audrey 02-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Imhotep 258 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 265 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
Re: Imhotep 185 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:58
Re: Imhotep 237 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 304 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Imhotep 202 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 183 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Imhotep 296 Thanos5150 03-Mar-17 17:48
Re: Imhotep 329 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 239 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 22:28
Re: Imhotep 262 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 22:48
Re: Imhotep 259 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 00:18
Re: Imhotep 188 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 245 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 03:38
Re: Imhotep 293 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 02:33
Re: Imhotep 394 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 04:34
Re: Imhotep 306 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:55
Re: Imhotep 287 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:28
Re: Imhotep 459 Audrey 04-Mar-17 07:43
Re: Imhotep 347 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 22:59
Re: Imhotep 272 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:05
Re: Imhotep 185 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:00
Re: Imhotep 414 Audrey 05-Mar-17 04:56
Re: Imhotep 204 Origyptian 05-Mar-17 05:32
Re: Imhotep 264 Audrey 05-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 341 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 06:23
Re: Imhotep 268 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 289 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 16:14
Re: Imhotep 357 Audrey 06-Mar-17 02:50
Re: Imhotep 323 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 05:38
Re: Imhotep 319 R Avry Wilson 06-Mar-17 07:06
Re: Imhotep 391 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
Re: Imhotep 291 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 20:33
Re: Imhotep 274 DUNE 06-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Imhotep 278 Origyptian 06-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 187 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:17
Re: Imhotep 188 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 304 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 23:32
Re: Imhotep 280 DUNE 06-Mar-17 23:56
Re: Imhotep 240 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 00:27
Re: Imhotep 250 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Imhotep 236 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:16
Re: Imhotep 431 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:40
Re: Imhotep 270 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Imhotep 284 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
Re: Imhotep 311 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Imhotep 251 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 354 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 02:23
Re: Imhotep 319 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 04:45
Re: Imhotep 328 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 11:11
Re: Imhotep 315 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 13:16
Re: Imhotep 335 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 15:45
Re: Imhotep 292 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 354 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 369 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 197 cladking 08-Mar-17 15:13
Re: Imhotep 406 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 16:29
Re: Imhotep 252 cladking 08-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 338 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
Interpretation vs Communication. 217 cladking 09-Mar-17 14:33
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 245 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 14:55
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 168 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:16
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 275 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 16:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 282 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 15:17
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 282 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:39
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 397 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 278 cladking 09-Mar-17 16:27
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 287 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 270 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 216 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 360 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 188 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 275 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 272 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 237 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 281 SandyJesse 10-Mar-17 00:31
In order to build the great pyramids... 239 Racho 10-Mar-17 01:14
Re: Imhotep 282 Corpuscles 08-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Imhotep 341 Martin Stower 08-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 297 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 22:53
Re: Imhotep 263 Martin Stower 09-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Imhotep 203 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 03:35
Re: Imhotep 257 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 14:53
Re: Imhotep 188 Audrey 10-Mar-17 00:51
Re: Imhotep 279 Jon Ellison 10-Mar-17 03:42
Re: Imhotep 327 Audrey 11-Mar-17 06:22
Re: Imhotep 370 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 11:22
Re: Imhotep 313 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 216 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 03:25
Re: Imhotep 252 Audrey 12-Mar-17 04:55
Re: Imhotep 349 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 13:14
Re: Imhotep 185 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:12
Re: Imhotep 194 cladking 12-Mar-17 04:03
Re: Imhotep 229 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 04:07
Re: Imhotep 240 cladking 12-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 219 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:10
Who Knew? 200 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 207 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
Re: Imhotep 252 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 16:33
Re: Imhotep 291 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 16:53
Re: Imhotep 227 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:30
Re: Imhotep 259 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 07:03
Re: Imhotep 207 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:33
Re: Imhotep 189 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 18:13
Re: Imhotep 204 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Imhotep 275 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 203 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 223 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 23:24
Re: Imhotep 255 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 23:44
Re: Imhotep 254 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Imhotep 247 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:26
Re: Imhotep 209 Warwick 13-Mar-17 13:53
Re: Imhotep 204 cladking 13-Mar-17 13:59
Re: Imhotep 225 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:16
Re: Imhotep 210 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:26
Re: Imhotep 243 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 157 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:43
Re: Imhotep 243 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 283 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 17:24
Re: Imhotep 235 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:26
Re: Imhotep 202 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:42
Re: Imhotep 264 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 190 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:39
Re: Imhotep 271 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 280 Merrell 11-Mar-17 14:29
Re: Imhotep 240 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:03
Re: Imhotep 219 Merrell 11-Mar-17 15:27
Re: Imhotep 238 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 272 Merrell 11-Mar-17 16:15
Re: Imhotep 265 cladking 11-Mar-17 18:52
Re: Imhotep 253 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 15:53
Re: Imhotep 335 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 17:27
Re: Imhotep 236 Warwick 11-Mar-17 17:43
Re: Imhotep 249 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 20:13
Re: Imhotep 255 Warwick 11-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Imhotep 262 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Imhotep 296 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 02:49
Re: Funerary Cult 244 Thunderbird 13-Mar-17 05:02
Re: Funerary Cult 172 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:31
Re: Funerary Cult 170 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 22:04
Re: Funerary Cult 195 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:30
Re: Funerary Cult 192 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Funerary Cult 132 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Funerary Cult 203 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 09:23
Re: Funerary Cult 97 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 14:01
Re: Funerary Cult 215 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 21:35
Re: Funerary Cult 140 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 23:55
Re: Funerary Cult 241 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Funerary Cult 244 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 03:26
Re: Funerary Cult 155 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 13:00
Re: Funerary Cult 268 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 13:34
Re: Funerary Cult 193 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 14:32
Re: Funerary Cult 99 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 15:38
Re: Funerary Cult 156 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 16:06
Re: Funerary Cult 178 Corpuscles 15-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Funerary Cult 78 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Funerary Cult 201 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Funerary Cult 176 Merrell 15-Mar-17 21:40
Re: Funerary Cult 90 Origyptian 16-Mar-17 00:12
Re: Funerary Cult 206 Martin Stower 16-Mar-17 00:53
Re: Funerary Cult 90 Warwick 15-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Funerary Cult 155 eyeofhorus33 15-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Funerary Cult 128 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Funerary Cult 129 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:27
Re: Funerary Cult 228 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:48
Re: Funerary Cult 281 R Avry Wilson 16-Mar-17 02:08
Re: Funerary Cult 165 Warwick 15-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Funerary Cult 122 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 228 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 103 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 164 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
Re: Funerary Cult 184 Thanos5150 14-Mar-17 05:30
Re: Funerary Cult 177 Warwick 14-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Half cartouche. 95 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 141 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 98 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
Re: Half cartouche. 102 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 13:37
Re: Half cartouche. 153 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 13:42
Re: Half cartouche. 139 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 15:00
Re: Half cartouche. 103 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 15:52
Re: Half cartouche. 177 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 290 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Half cartouche. 231 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 20:07
Re: Half cartouche. 147 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 203 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:00
Re: Imhotep 210 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:10
Re: Imhotep 255 Merrell 13-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 64 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 81 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 161 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:51
Re: Imhotep 77 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:58
Re: Imhotep 96 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 16:10
Re: Imhotep 133 Merrell 13-Mar-17 18:27
Re: Imhotep 173 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:31
Re: Imhotep 164 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 110 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Imhotep 258 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:17
Re: Imhotep 82 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:50
Re: Imhotep 158 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:57
Re: Imhotep 157 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 88 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:28
Re: Imhotep 126 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 78 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:48
Re: Imhotep 197 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:28
Re: Imhotep 58 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 191 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 85 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:22
Re: Imhotep 111 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 226 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:06
Re: Imhotep 81 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 21:29
Re: Imhotep 110 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:34
Re: Imhotep 145 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 22:01
Re: Imhotep 180 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Imhotep 85 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:43
Re: Imhotep 179 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 12:42
Re: Imhotep 69 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 217 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:02
Re: Imhotep 182 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 268 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 267 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 262 Audrey 12-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Imhotep 202 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Imhotep 225 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 01:41
Re: Imhotep 212 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:30
Re: Imhotep 265 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 07:02
Re: Imhotep 184 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 08:49
Re: Imhotep 150 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 148 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 21:10
Re: Imhotep 92 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:02
Re: Imhotep 97 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 22:16
Re: Imhotep 124 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 166 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 04:04
Re: Imhotep 84 Audrey 12-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 122 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 191 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:37
Re: Imhotep 105 Audrey 12-Mar-17 23:58
Re: Imhotep 218 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 114 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 227 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 177 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 62 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 111 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 212 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 58 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 247 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 98 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 129 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 105 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 145 Audrey 12-Mar-17 23:48