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Audrey Wrote:
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> Read Raven's statement in Operations carried on at the pyramids ofGizeh in 1837

    "In clearing the rubbish out of the large entrance-room, after the men had been employed there several days, and had advanced some distance towards the south-eastern corner, some bones were first discovered at the bottom of the rubbish...There was about three feet of rubbish on the top..."
What do you think could account for that much rubbish remaining after the work crew already had spent several days trying to clear out that room?

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Re: Imhotep 320 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
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Re: Imhotep 302 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
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Re: Imhotep 424 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
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Re: Imhotep 479 Audrey 01-Mar-17 05:03
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Re: Imhotep 310 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Imhotep 428 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 22:39
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Re: Imhotep 306 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:43
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Re: Imhotep 287 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:30
The weaselling continues. 291 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 401 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 370 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
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Utterance #373 420 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
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Re: Imhotep 339 Audrey 01-Mar-17 17:07
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Re: Imhotep 404 Audrey 01-Mar-17 18:10
Great Post 404 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
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Re: Imhotep 432 Audrey 02-Mar-17 06:48
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Re: Imhotep 300 Audrey 02-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Imhotep 328 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 330 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
Re: Imhotep 242 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:58
Re: Imhotep 314 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 370 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 18:19
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Re: Imhotep 300 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 22:28
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Re: Imhotep 327 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 00:18
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Re: Imhotep 397 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:55
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Re: Imhotep 538 Audrey 04-Mar-17 07:43
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Re: Imhotep 354 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:05
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Re: Imhotep 496 Audrey 05-Mar-17 04:56
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Re: Imhotep 361 Audrey 05-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 462 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 06:23
Re: Imhotep 338 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 369 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 16:14
Re: Imhotep 470 Audrey 06-Mar-17 02:50
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Re: Imhotep 392 R Avry Wilson 06-Mar-17 07:06
Re: Imhotep 467 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
Re: Imhotep 361 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 20:33
Re: Imhotep 326 DUNE 06-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Imhotep 392 Origyptian 06-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 256 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:17
Re: Imhotep 267 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 396 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 23:32
Re: Imhotep 353 DUNE 06-Mar-17 23:56
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Re: Imhotep 578 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:40
Re: Imhotep 343 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Imhotep 355 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
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Re: Imhotep 416 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
Interpretation vs Communication. 285 cladking 09-Mar-17 14:33
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 309 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 14:55
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 246 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:16
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 350 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 16:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 356 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 15:17
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Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 520 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 371 cladking 09-Mar-17 16:27
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 372 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 340 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 285 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 460 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 265 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 339 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 385 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 315 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 377 SandyJesse 10-Mar-17 00:31
In order to build the great pyramids... 321 Racho 10-Mar-17 01:14
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Re: Imhotep 329 Martin Stower 09-Mar-17 00:33
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Re: Imhotep 242 Audrey 10-Mar-17 00:51
Re: Imhotep 355 Jon Ellison 10-Mar-17 03:42
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Re: Imhotep 310 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 04:07
Re: Imhotep 302 cladking 12-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 296 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:10
Who Knew? 270 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 271 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
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Re: Imhotep 358 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 16:53
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Re: Imhotep 278 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 18:53
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Re: Imhotep 277 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 295 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 23:24
Re: Imhotep 337 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 23:44
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Re: Imhotep 323 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:26
Re: Imhotep 277 Warwick 13-Mar-17 13:53
Re: Imhotep 279 cladking 13-Mar-17 13:59
Re: Imhotep 304 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:16
Re: Imhotep 275 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:26
Re: Imhotep 319 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 215 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:43
Re: Imhotep 326 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 345 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 17:24
Re: Imhotep 303 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:26
Re: Imhotep 251 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:42
Re: Imhotep 334 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 267 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:39
Re: Imhotep 345 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 14:03
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Re: Imhotep 305 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:03
Re: Imhotep 293 Merrell 11-Mar-17 15:27
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Re: Imhotep 341 Merrell 11-Mar-17 16:15
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Re: Imhotep 311 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 20:13
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Re: Funerary Cult 291 Thunderbird 13-Mar-17 05:02
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Re: Funerary Cult 269 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:30
Re: Funerary Cult 257 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Funerary Cult 197 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Funerary Cult 278 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 09:23
Re: Funerary Cult 159 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 14:01
Re: Funerary Cult 292 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 21:35
Re: Funerary Cult 206 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 23:55
Re: Funerary Cult 322 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Funerary Cult 314 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 03:26
Re: Funerary Cult 220 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 13:00
Re: Funerary Cult 349 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 13:34
Re: Funerary Cult 243 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 14:32
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Re: Funerary Cult 285 Martin Stower 16-Mar-17 00:53
Re: Funerary Cult 147 Warwick 15-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Funerary Cult 213 eyeofhorus33 15-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Funerary Cult 196 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Funerary Cult 187 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:27
Re: Funerary Cult 308 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:48
Re: Funerary Cult 348 R Avry Wilson 16-Mar-17 02:08
Re: Funerary Cult 229 Warwick 15-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Funerary Cult 179 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 302 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 119 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 245 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
Re: Funerary Cult 270 Thanos5150 14-Mar-17 05:30
Re: Funerary Cult 235 Warwick 14-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Half cartouche. 167 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 201 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 171 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
Re: Half cartouche. 175 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 13:37
Re: Half cartouche. 219 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 13:42
Re: Half cartouche. 201 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 15:00
Re: Half cartouche. 175 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 15:52
Re: Half cartouche. 264 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 393 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Half cartouche. 313 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 20:07
Re: Half cartouche. 230 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 276 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:00
Re: Imhotep 278 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:10
Re: Imhotep 318 Merrell 13-Mar-17 15:22
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Re: Imhotep 148 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 219 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:51
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Re: Imhotep 164 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 16:10
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Re: Imhotep 234 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 161 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Imhotep 324 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:17
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Re: Imhotep 177 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 19:54
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Re: Imhotep 246 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 12:42
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Re: Imhotep 277 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:02
Re: Imhotep 250 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 21:07
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Re: Imhotep 330 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 22:12
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Re: Imhotep 281 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:30
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Re: Imhotep 218 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 21:10
Re: Imhotep 141 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:02
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Re: Imhotep 184 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 23:51
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Re: Imhotep 138 Audrey 12-Mar-17 19:54
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Re: Imhotep 262 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:37
Re: Imhotep 158 Audrey 12-Mar-17 23:58
Re: Imhotep 280 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 187 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 305 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 248 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 112 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 180 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 281 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 116 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 307 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 172 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 185 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 174 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10