Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Origyptian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just for the record, Matt, I have no trouble at
> all dealing with the truth.



M.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Imhotep 3253 Rofhessa 26-Feb-17 11:39
Re: Imhotep 388 Lee McGiffen 27-Feb-17 12:15
Re: Imhotep 518 Origyptian 27-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 505 Thanos5150 27-Feb-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 400 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 07:53
Re: Imhotep 360 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:34
Re: Imhotep 320 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:26
Re: Imhotep 360 Rofhessa 03-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 279 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 17:04
Re: Imhotep 345 Rofhessa 05-Mar-17 19:14
Re: Imhotep 312 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 19:07
Re: Imhotep 286 Rofhessa 28-Feb-17 10:30
Re: Imhotep 287 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 15:05
Re: Imhotep 301 cladking 28-Feb-17 17:00
Re: Imhotep 383 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:59
Re: Imhotep 386 cladking 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 298 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:46
Re: Imhotep 289 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:08
Re: Imhotep 245 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 21:47
Re: Imhotep 215 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 21:58
Re: Imhotep 235 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:05
Re: Imhotep 240 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:14
Re: Imhotep 317 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:25
Re: Imhotep 458 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:30
Re: Imhotep 323 eyeofhorus33 28-Feb-17 22:52
Re: Imhotep 323 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:58
Re: Imhotep 230 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:23
Re: Imhotep 331 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 255 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:09
Re: Imhotep 321 Corpuscles 28-Feb-17 23:08
Re: Imhotep 341 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:10
Re: Imhotep 303 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 01:56
Re: Imhotep 296 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 04:30
Re: Imhotep 391 Audrey 01-Mar-17 05:03
Re: Imhotep 291 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 06:36
Re: Imhotep 325 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Imhotep 283 Audrey 01-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 259 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 04:13
Re: Imhotep 232 Audrey 01-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Imhotep 329 Thanos5150 28-Feb-17 22:39
Re: Imhotep 321 Origyptian 28-Feb-17 22:55
Re: Imhotep 250 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:43
Re: Imhotep 249 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:07
Re: Imhotep 241 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 333 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 03:20
Re: Imhotep 366 Audrey 01-Mar-17 04:43
Re: Imhotep 274 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 14:13
Re: Imhotep 402 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 14:35
Re: Imhotep 273 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 302 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 15:57
Re: Imhotep 358 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 03:36
Re: Imhotep 283 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:50
Re: Imhotep 220 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:33
Re: Imhotep 292 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 307 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 21:56
Re: Imhotep 218 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:30
The weaselling continues. 209 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:14
Re: The weaselling continues. 316 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 22:26
Re: The weaselling continues. 275 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 22:51
Re: Imhotep 277 cladking 01-Mar-17 15:21
Re: Imhotep 288 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 15:50
Re: Imhotep 330 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Imhotep 207 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 16:11
Re: Imhotep 230 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:30
Re: Imhotep 330 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 278 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 319 sfbey 01-Mar-17 17:57
Re: Imhotep 305 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:31
Re: Imhotep 250 Corpuscles 01-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 249 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:26
Utterance #373 345 cladking 02-Mar-17 01:52
Re: Utterance #373 283 Corpuscles 02-Mar-17 19:23
Re: Utterance #373 230 cladking 02-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 312 cladking 01-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 314 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Imhotep 191 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 356 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 16:26
Re: Imhotep 226 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Imhotep 250 Audrey 01-Mar-17 17:07
Re: Imhotep 218 Origyptian 01-Mar-17 17:23
Re: Imhotep 246 cladking 01-Mar-17 17:42
Re: Imhotep 315 Audrey 01-Mar-17 18:10
Great Post 307 cladking 01-Mar-17 19:45
Re: Imhotep 307 Martin Stower 01-Mar-17 23:05
Re: Imhotep 415 Thanos5150 01-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 351 Audrey 02-Mar-17 06:48
Re: Imhotep 276 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 11:32
Re: Imhotep 224 Audrey 02-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Imhotep 255 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:04
Imhotep's Sandals. 254 cladking 02-Mar-17 17:09
Re: Imhotep 175 Martin Stower 02-Mar-17 18:58
Re: Imhotep 221 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 281 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Imhotep 192 Thanos5150 02-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 182 Origyptian 02-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Imhotep 292 Thanos5150 03-Mar-17 17:48
Re: Imhotep 320 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 229 eyeofhorus33 03-Mar-17 22:28
Re: Imhotep 249 Origyptian 03-Mar-17 22:48
Re: Imhotep 249 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 00:18
Re: Imhotep 183 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 233 Martin Stower 04-Mar-17 03:38
Re: Imhotep 288 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 02:33
Re: Imhotep 384 Origyptian 04-Mar-17 04:34
Re: Imhotep 297 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:55
Re: Imhotep 276 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:28
Re: Imhotep 448 Audrey 04-Mar-17 07:43
Re: Imhotep 338 Thanos5150 04-Mar-17 22:59
Re: Imhotep 269 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 01:05
Re: Imhotep 175 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 02:00
Re: Imhotep 411 Audrey 05-Mar-17 04:56
Re: Imhotep 197 Origyptian 05-Mar-17 05:32
Re: Imhotep 259 Audrey 05-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 319 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 06:23
Re: Imhotep 263 Martin Stower 05-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 279 Thanos5150 05-Mar-17 16:14
Re: Imhotep 341 Audrey 06-Mar-17 02:50
Re: Imhotep 311 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 05:38
Re: Imhotep 311 R Avry Wilson 06-Mar-17 07:06
Re: Imhotep 373 DUNE 06-Mar-17 14:49
Re: Imhotep 275 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 20:33
Re: Imhotep 272 DUNE 06-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Imhotep 274 Origyptian 06-Mar-17 21:38
Re: Imhotep 177 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:17
Re: Imhotep 187 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 284 Thanos5150 06-Mar-17 23:32
Re: Imhotep 268 DUNE 06-Mar-17 23:56
Re: Imhotep 236 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 00:27
Re: Imhotep 239 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:07
Re: Imhotep 225 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-17 01:16
Re: Imhotep 411 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:40
Re: Imhotep 267 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 01:58
Re: Imhotep 275 DUNE 07-Mar-17 16:49
Re: Imhotep 289 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Imhotep 244 Thanos5150 07-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 347 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 02:23
Re: Imhotep 318 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 04:45
Re: Imhotep 326 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 11:11
Re: Imhotep 306 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 13:16
Re: Imhotep 320 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 15:45
Re: Imhotep 291 Origyptian 07-Mar-17 16:44
Re: Imhotep 343 Martin Stower 07-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 356 Corpuscles 07-Mar-17 21:53
Re: Imhotep 194 cladking 08-Mar-17 15:13
Re: Imhotep 392 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 16:29
Re: Imhotep 244 cladking 08-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Imhotep 329 Audrey 09-Mar-17 01:16
Interpretation vs Communication. 215 cladking 09-Mar-17 14:33
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 234 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 14:55
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 157 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:16
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 262 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 16:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 264 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 15:17
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 279 cladking 09-Mar-17 15:39
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 383 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:04
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 263 cladking 09-Mar-17 16:27
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 284 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 16:47
You Do the Math. 268 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:32
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 207 cladking 09-Mar-17 19:10
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 346 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 20:25
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 176 cladking 09-Mar-17 21:22
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 264 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 22:11
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 254 cladking 10-Mar-17 01:34
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 236 SandyJesse 11-Mar-17 02:15
Re: Interpretation vs Communication. 260 SandyJesse 10-Mar-17 00:31
In order to build the great pyramids... 227 Racho 10-Mar-17 01:14
Re: Imhotep 272 Corpuscles 08-Mar-17 18:18
Re: Imhotep 338 Martin Stower 08-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 287 Origyptian 08-Mar-17 22:53
Re: Imhotep 257 Martin Stower 09-Mar-17 00:33
Re: Imhotep 200 Origyptian 09-Mar-17 03:35
Re: Imhotep 248 Jon Ellison 09-Mar-17 14:53
Re: Imhotep 177 Audrey 10-Mar-17 00:51
Re: Imhotep 268 Jon Ellison 10-Mar-17 03:42
Re: Imhotep 309 Audrey 11-Mar-17 06:22
Re: Imhotep 366 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 11:22
Re: Imhotep 310 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:40
Re: Imhotep 215 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 03:25
Re: Imhotep 249 Audrey 12-Mar-17 04:55
Re: Imhotep 340 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 13:14
Re: Imhotep 171 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:12
Re: Imhotep 184 cladking 12-Mar-17 04:03
Re: Imhotep 214 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 04:07
Re: Imhotep 238 cladking 12-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 209 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:10
Who Knew? 198 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:26
Re: Who Knew? 203 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:05
Re: Imhotep 237 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 16:33
Re: Imhotep 278 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 16:53
Re: Imhotep 220 cladking 12-Mar-17 19:30
Re: Imhotep 257 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 07:03
Re: Imhotep 198 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 15:33
Re: Imhotep 187 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 18:13
Re: Imhotep 201 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 18:53
Re: Imhotep 271 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 19:33
Re: Imhotep 200 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 214 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 23:24
Re: Imhotep 252 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 23:44
Re: Imhotep 254 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 01:21
Re: Imhotep 228 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:26
Re: Imhotep 206 Warwick 13-Mar-17 13:53
Re: Imhotep 196 cladking 13-Mar-17 13:59
Re: Imhotep 207 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:16
Re: Imhotep 203 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:26
Re: Imhotep 239 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 156 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:43
Re: Imhotep 233 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:18
Re: Imhotep 274 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 17:24
Re: Imhotep 228 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:26
Re: Imhotep 201 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:42
Re: Imhotep 254 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 20:39
Re: Imhotep 178 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:39
Re: Imhotep 258 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 14:03
Re: Imhotep 262 Merrell 11-Mar-17 14:29
Re: Imhotep 231 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:03
Re: Imhotep 205 Merrell 11-Mar-17 15:27
Re: Imhotep 235 cladking 11-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 261 Merrell 11-Mar-17 16:15
Re: Imhotep 257 cladking 11-Mar-17 18:52
Re: Imhotep 241 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 15:53
Re: Imhotep 322 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 17:27
Re: Imhotep 228 Warwick 11-Mar-17 17:43
Re: Imhotep 248 Origyptian 11-Mar-17 20:13
Re: Imhotep 245 Warwick 11-Mar-17 20:34
Re: Imhotep 250 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 00:45
Re: Imhotep 290 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 02:49
Re: Funerary Cult 242 Thunderbird 13-Mar-17 05:02
Re: Funerary Cult 170 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:31
Re: Funerary Cult 159 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 22:04
Re: Funerary Cult 181 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:30
Re: Funerary Cult 183 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Funerary Cult 132 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 02:54
Re: Funerary Cult 193 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 09:23
Re: Funerary Cult 89 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 14:01
Re: Funerary Cult 205 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 21:35
Re: Funerary Cult 129 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 23:55
Re: Funerary Cult 226 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 01:24
Re: Funerary Cult 240 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 03:26
Re: Funerary Cult 152 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 13:00
Re: Funerary Cult 260 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 13:34
Re: Funerary Cult 183 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 14:32
Re: Funerary Cult 97 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 15:38
Re: Funerary Cult 142 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 16:06
Re: Funerary Cult 168 Corpuscles 15-Mar-17 16:51
Re: Funerary Cult 67 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 17:08
Re: Funerary Cult 191 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 19:24
Re: Funerary Cult 167 Merrell 15-Mar-17 21:40
Re: Funerary Cult 88 Origyptian 16-Mar-17 00:12
Re: Funerary Cult 193 Martin Stower 16-Mar-17 00:53
Re: Funerary Cult 89 Warwick 15-Mar-17 19:01
Re: Funerary Cult 141 eyeofhorus33 15-Mar-17 18:19
Re: Funerary Cult 111 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:22
Re: Funerary Cult 118 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:27
Re: Funerary Cult 223 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 21:48
Re: Funerary Cult 271 R Avry Wilson 16-Mar-17 02:08
Re: Funerary Cult 154 Warwick 15-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Funerary Cult 110 Origyptian 15-Mar-17 20:19
Re: Funerary Cult 217 Martin Stower 15-Mar-17 20:23
Re: Funerary Cult 101 Warwick 15-Mar-17 21:08
Re: Funerary Cult 155 Audrey 14-Mar-17 02:55
Re: Funerary Cult 175 Thanos5150 14-Mar-17 05:30
Re: Funerary Cult 160 Warwick 14-Mar-17 18:12
Re: Half cartouche. 92 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:14
Re: Half cartouche. 129 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 12:43
Re: Half cartouche. 96 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 12:56
Re: Half cartouche. 95 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 13:37
Re: Half cartouche. 143 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 13:42
Re: Half cartouche. 126 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 15:00
Re: Half cartouche. 91 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 15:52
Re: Half cartouche. 170 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 16:34
Re: Half cartouche. 284 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 17:19
Re: Half cartouche. 221 Martin Stower 14-Mar-17 20:07
Re: Half cartouche. 142 Jon Ellison 14-Mar-17 22:50
Re: Imhotep 187 Warwick 13-Mar-17 14:00
Re: Imhotep 200 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 14:10
Re: Imhotep 248 Merrell 13-Mar-17 15:22
Re: Imhotep 53 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:30
Re: Imhotep 79 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:35
Re: Imhotep 151 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:51
Re: Imhotep 74 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:58
Re: Imhotep 81 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 16:10
Re: Imhotep 120 Merrell 13-Mar-17 18:27
Re: Imhotep 161 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:31
Re: Imhotep 147 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:40
Re: Imhotep 108 Warwick 13-Mar-17 18:48
Re: Imhotep 256 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:17
Re: Imhotep 80 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:50
Re: Imhotep 148 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:57
Re: Imhotep 148 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 18:10
Re: Imhotep 86 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:28
Re: Imhotep 116 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 76 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 15:48
Re: Imhotep 187 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:28
Re: Imhotep 54 Warwick 13-Mar-17 16:40
Re: Imhotep 175 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 19:15
Re: Imhotep 83 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:22
Re: Imhotep 102 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:30
Re: Imhotep 214 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:06
Re: Imhotep 79 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 21:29
Re: Imhotep 106 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 21:34
Re: Imhotep 137 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 22:01
Re: Imhotep 171 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 22:41
Re: Imhotep 71 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 23:43
Re: Imhotep 167 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 12:42
Re: Imhotep 65 Thanos5150 13-Mar-17 16:42
Re: Imhotep 198 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 15:02
Re: Imhotep 179 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 250 Thanos5150 11-Mar-17 21:19
Re: Imhotep 261 Martin Stower 11-Mar-17 22:12
Re: Imhotep 260 Audrey 12-Mar-17 00:24
Re: Imhotep 199 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 00:55
Re: Imhotep 209 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 01:41
Re: Imhotep 201 Audrey 12-Mar-17 02:30
Re: Imhotep 257 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 07:02
Re: Imhotep 180 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 08:49
Re: Imhotep 141 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 16:52
Re: Imhotep 134 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 21:10
Re: Imhotep 81 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:02
Re: Imhotep 93 Origyptian 12-Mar-17 22:16
Re: Imhotep 116 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 23:51
Re: Imhotep 154 Origyptian 14-Mar-17 04:04
Re: Imhotep 84 Audrey 12-Mar-17 19:54
Re: Imhotep 114 Thanos5150 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Imhotep 186 Martin Stower 12-Mar-17 22:37
Re: Imhotep 95 Audrey 12-Mar-17 23:58
Re: Imhotep 217 Martin Stower 13-Mar-17 00:20
Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 112 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 19:58
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 207 cladking 12-Mar-17 20:06
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 169 Corpuscles 12-Mar-17 21:07
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 60 cladking 12-Mar-17 22:32
Re: Papyri Wadi el-Jarf 105 Warwick 13-Mar-17 15:38
...In a Million Years. 195 cladking 13-Mar-17 17:36
Re: ...In a Million Years. 56 Warwick 13-Mar-17 17:57
Re: ...In a Million Years. 237 cladking 13-Mar-17 18:33
I will give you one last chance 83 Warwick 13-Mar-17 19:34
Re: I will give you one last chance 119 cladking 13-Mar-17 20:34
Re: ...In a Million Years. 101 Origyptian 13-Mar-17 20:10