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Author: cladking wrote:
Date: February 25, 2017 12:16AM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Cladking wrote:
>
> >Logic says that on a gargantuan project that a
> highly efficient means must be used.
>
> OK Cladking, you have been telling me they lifted
> the stones one step at a time for years. Herodotus
> said they used levers, one step at a time. I have
> tried many different designs how that could be
> done. None of them worked, until now. My latest
> Sketchup design is quick and fool prof. No water
> involved. Before I exhibit this design for
> scrutiny, do you have the passage where Herodotus
> mentioned levers. I have read that here on the
> blog, though I do not know how accurate the word
> lever is.
>
> I have a little more to clean up in my model. If
> you have something, please let me know. I am
> excited to show this off. No ramps. For once, it
> musta been done this way... will have some
> meaning.

There are various translations and interpretations of Herodotus. I don't believe he ever used the word 'lever" though many people interpret "short timbers" or short pieces of wood" as "levers". Some people interpret the "machines that can be carried to other levels" as "levers" and I have seen "levers' appear in translations.

You certainly don't need water to lift stones 80' at a time. Men hauling on ropes from the tops of these "mounds" would be very efficient. However a great deal of work is required no matter how efficient they could be unless they had water at 80' and then there would be no work at all for humans since the natural phenomenon which lifted the water to 80' would do all the work.

I believe it's within the realm of reason to hypothesize men dragged the stones straight up the side 80' at a time but that the evidence suggests this didn't happen either and that it was water that lifted them.

There would have needed to have been about 8,000 men just to pull these stones up and there's no evidence for so many. There probably would have been "Overseers of Stone Lifters" and similar such occupations that are not in evidence.

I look forward to your drawings and thinking.



Hi cladking,

To lift stones up the Pyramid steps, requires a few key procedures to take place.

1. First, each single stone needs to be easily transferred from one (lever) lift to the next in line above you.
2. As the steps afford you little working room, you need to use additional rope and levers to pull each stone off one lever platform, onto the next towards the center of the Pyramid.
3. Casing stones in this scenario, require being placed from the top down, once all other stones have been placed.
4. No men do any lifting. They only use levers.
5. Grease & rope, and wood, are required.
6. 2 -3 men per stone per Level.

Khufu's Pyramid has 210 layers. I will use 100 layers, which is well past being half way built. Each layer requires one machine each. You have 8,000 men. How about 300 - 600 men? I say 600, as having 2 lift section, one on each side of the Pyramid, enable us to avoid pulling a single stones on top all the way to the other side. How fast? I suspect just 300 men, who are on the Pyramid stepped face, together can do 1 stone lift per minute. Two sections would be cruising along.

By now, I am sure you think, I have lost my mind. The key, is how to shift weight when combined with a lever.

I will start posting picture shortly... I will start a new thread.

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