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Author: Dr. Troglodyte wrote:
Date: April 05, 2018 03:42PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Dr. Trog
> Dr. Troglodyte ​wrote
> Date: April 03, 2018 07:08PM
> ​>​Hello Steve Clayton; you wrote: ”…The
> average mans weight is approx. 185 to 200
> lbs…”
>
> ​>​This statement references no informed
> source for the above assumption. Studies* indicate
> the body mass mean for “Non-elite”
> ​>​>males at Giza during the Old Kingdom to be
> 62.2 kg (132.72 lbs), a negative difference of
> nearly 60 pounds [average] per
> ​>​>constructor.
>
> ​>​Calculations influenced by the posted
> information are approximately 31% in error.
>
> ​>​*Egyptian Body Size: A Regional and
> Worldwide Comparison, Michelle H. Raxter,
> University of South Florida, 2011
>
>
>
> ​Hello ​Dr. Troglodyte​,
>
> I am happy to have you chime in. The exercise is,
> to see how practical using an (shaduf) inverted
> lever​, is when attempting to lift an average
> Pyramid stone. As the stone is 5,000lbs. (2.5
> tons) and the poll is 20 ft. long. The fulcrum
> point is at 75 percent. As you can see in the
> drawing below, converted to inches, it requires
> 1,666 lbs. to reach equilibrium. Using your
> ancient Egyptians @ 133 lbs., it would require
> 12.5 men hanging from the rope. Correct me if I am
> wrong, the Pyramid steps are only 2.5 - 3.0 feet
> wide. Placing a counterweight on one end, as used
> in a Shaduf, is impracticable, as you will need to
> lift that counterweight, using the opposite end.
> The levers mechanical advantage is now working
> against you.
>
> Possibly, there is some other method or
> combination, which would work better? If you only
> have 2.5 feet on on end, it drops down to 5 men.
> Still, you need to control the lift. The pole is
> over your head. How is that accomplished?
>
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Hello Steve Clayton:

We have had a similar discussion previously. The general answer remains…

Here, specifically, a number of erroneous assumptions regarding the ”means and methods” have been made. Petrie (Corrected Great Pyramid Course Elevations and Plate 8) illustrates the largest course of the Great Pyramid, above the base courses, is the 35th (+/- 49.5 inches thick average). This course represents approximately 50% of the stone required for the entire Pyramid’s construction. Likely to this level earthen and mud brick ramps were utilized to maneuver (‘lift’) the bulk of the large core and casing stones.






Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; approximately 45.77% less than the speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) would have been most productive above this level.

Regarding these proposed Shadfu crews, the presumption of a single crew, of any size, is lacking; as is the area of the necessary staging zones (”…steps…only 2.5 - 3.0 feet wide…”). Two (2), perhaps four (4), crews (working on two levels of +/- 1 cubit apart vertically) could potentially operate independent machines on a single stone, simultaneously. Staging zones, placed strategically, would enable transportation at numerous locations on the structure.

Read Smith…



Dr. Troglodyte




Hi Dr. Troglodyte,

> Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh >approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; >approximately 45.77% less than the >speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) >would have been most >productive above this level.

Ref: An Egyptian Cubit = 20.6"

Switching over to 1 ton stones, would be a 60% reduction in weight, ie. 2,000lbs. See below: 286 lbs. of force, is better, especially if they employed a counter weight. The counter weight, still needs to be lifted each time, for re-attaching another stone. Let's say a 100lb. counter weight. This is more reasonable, though we still have a 52 degree incline, with only a 20.6" (Egyptian Long cubit) shelve. This is not enough room to stand on and/or work. If the pole runs down the center of the sheIve, can you walk to the other end, which is now only approx. 10" to maneuver. Are we now claiming the casing stones were only 20.6 " high, to match Petrie's estimate? And besides, how did they lift all the casing stones? The casing stones negate 5 men crews. Were the casing stones only 20.6" tall, or did they stack the cubit stones on top of each other? That should be visible, as most of the casing stones are missing.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07-Apr-18 15:36 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: In A Cemetery 488 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 506 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 513 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
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Re: In A Cemetery 471 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 504 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
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Re: In A Cemetery 478 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 388 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 415 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 541 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 508 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 469 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
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Re: In A Cemetery 469 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
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Re: In A Cemetery 476 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
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Re: Pyramid Construction 564 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 455 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 527 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
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Re: Pyramid Construction 523 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 517 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 495 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 515 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 491 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 521 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 665 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 464 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
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Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 474 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
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Re: Pyramid Construction 496 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 491 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
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Re: G3 Exposed 546 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
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Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 541 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
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Re: Pyramid Construction 531 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
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Re: Pyramid Construction 472 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
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Re: Pyramid Construction 469 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 482 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 490 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
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Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 526 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 446 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 484 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 498 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
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Re: Pyramid Construction 476 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
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Re: Pyramid Construction 470 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 534 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 374 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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NONE 328 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 443 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
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Re: correction 484 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 642 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 405 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 389 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 410 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
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Re: correction 409 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
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Block Removal 466 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
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Re: correction 487 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 364 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
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Ori-illogic. 451 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 440 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 418 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 470 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 331 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 444 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 421 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 407 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 370 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 399 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 419 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 388 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 441 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 376 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 400 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 460 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 275 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 426 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 482 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 440 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 468 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 359 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 415 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 416 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 452 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 421 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 460 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 467 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 443 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 354 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 455 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 369 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 464 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 434 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 413 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 475 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 588 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 472 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 468 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 466 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 461 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 501 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 395 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 497 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 521 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 500 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 482 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 470 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 380 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 492 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 509 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 494 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 496 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 516 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 537 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 519 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 557 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 289 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 296 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 216 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 307 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 288 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 220 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 237 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 232 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 219 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 280 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 277 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 282 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 273 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 279 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 230 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 249 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 241 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 230 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 253 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 232 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 284 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 232 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 262 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 242 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 351 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 245 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 279 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 256 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 277 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 293 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 245 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 230 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 281 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 237 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 259 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 282 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 275 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 242 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 304 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 252 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 236 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 260 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 240 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 240 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 224 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 259 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 307 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 256 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 254 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 267 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 293 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 282 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 255 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 248 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 238 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 234 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 253 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 243 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 254 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 251 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 273 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 215 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 237 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 211 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 220 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 209 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 246 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 204 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 216 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 249 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 230 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17