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Author: Dr. Troglodyte wrote:
Date: April 05, 2018 03:42PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Dr. Trog
> Dr. Troglodyte ​wrote
> Date: April 03, 2018 07:08PM
> ​>​Hello Steve Clayton; you wrote: ”…The
> average mans weight is approx. 185 to 200
> lbs…”
>
> ​>​This statement references no informed
> source for the above assumption. Studies* indicate
> the body mass mean for “Non-elite”
> ​>​>males at Giza during the Old Kingdom to be
> 62.2 kg (132.72 lbs), a negative difference of
> nearly 60 pounds [average] per
> ​>​>constructor.
>
> ​>​Calculations influenced by the posted
> information are approximately 31% in error.
>
> ​>​*Egyptian Body Size: A Regional and
> Worldwide Comparison, Michelle H. Raxter,
> University of South Florida, 2011
>
>
>
> ​Hello ​Dr. Troglodyte​,
>
> I am happy to have you chime in. The exercise is,
> to see how practical using an (shaduf) inverted
> lever​, is when attempting to lift an average
> Pyramid stone. As the stone is 5,000lbs. (2.5
> tons) and the poll is 20 ft. long. The fulcrum
> point is at 75 percent. As you can see in the
> drawing below, converted to inches, it requires
> 1,666 lbs. to reach equilibrium. Using your
> ancient Egyptians @ 133 lbs., it would require
> 12.5 men hanging from the rope. Correct me if I am
> wrong, the Pyramid steps are only 2.5 - 3.0 feet
> wide. Placing a counterweight on one end, as used
> in a Shaduf, is impracticable, as you will need to
> lift that counterweight, using the opposite end.
> The levers mechanical advantage is now working
> against you.
>
> Possibly, there is some other method or
> combination, which would work better? If you only
> have 2.5 feet on on end, it drops down to 5 men.
> Still, you need to control the lift. The pole is
> over your head. How is that accomplished?
>
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Hello Steve Clayton:

We have had a similar discussion previously. The general answer remains…

Here, specifically, a number of erroneous assumptions regarding the ”means and methods” have been made. Petrie (Corrected Great Pyramid Course Elevations and Plate 8) illustrates the largest course of the Great Pyramid, above the base courses, is the 35th (+/- 49.5 inches thick average). This course represents approximately 50% of the stone required for the entire Pyramid’s construction. Likely to this level earthen and mud brick ramps were utilized to maneuver (‘lift’) the bulk of the large core and casing stones.






Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; approximately 45.77% less than the speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) would have been most productive above this level.

Regarding these proposed Shadfu crews, the presumption of a single crew, of any size, is lacking; as is the area of the necessary staging zones (”…steps…only 2.5 - 3.0 feet wide…”). Two (2), perhaps four (4), crews (working on two levels of +/- 1 cubit apart vertically) could potentially operate independent machines on a single stone, simultaneously. Staging zones, placed strategically, would enable transportation at numerous locations on the structure.

Read Smith…



Dr. Troglodyte




Hi Dr. Troglodyte,

> Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh >approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; >approximately 45.77% less than the >speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) >would have been most >productive above this level.

Ref: An Egyptian Cubit = 20.6"

Switching over to 1 ton stones, would be a 60% reduction in weight, ie. 2,000lbs. See below: 286 lbs. of force, is better, especially if they employed a counter weight. The counter weight, still needs to be lifted each time, for re-attaching another stone. Let's say a 100lb. counter weight. This is more reasonable, though we still have a 52 degree incline, with only a 20.6" (Egyptian Long cubit) shelve. This is not enough room to stand on and/or work. If the pole runs down the center of the sheIve, can you walk to the other end, which is now only approx. 10" to maneuver. Are we now claiming the casing stones were only 20.6 " high, to match Petrie's estimate? And besides, how did they lift all the casing stones? The casing stones negate 5 men crews. Were the casing stones only 20.6" tall, or did they stack the cubit stones on top of each other? That should be visible, as most of the casing stones are missing.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07-Apr-18 15:36 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: In A Cemetery 385 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
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Re: In A Cemetery 488 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
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Re: In A Cemetery 460 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 483 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 488 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
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Re: In A Cemetery 493 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 436 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 484 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
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Re: In A Cemetery 533 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 495 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 450 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 367 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 394 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 520 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 485 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 441 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 544 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 442 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 439 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 445 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 453 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
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Re: In A Cemetery 358 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 502 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 537 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 434 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 507 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 463 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 489 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 488 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 466 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 496 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 469 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 493 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 642 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 433 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 351 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 456 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 494 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 476 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 463 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 489 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
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Re: G3 Exposed 524 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
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Re: G3 Exposed 518 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 420 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 463 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 575 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 485 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
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Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 487 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 622 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 500 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 423 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 429 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 493 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 462 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 410 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 442 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 408 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 453 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 478 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 433 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 486 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 424 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 454 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 478 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 499 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 501 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 455 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
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Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 469 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
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Re: Pyramid Construction 418 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 452 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 441 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 449 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 443 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 494 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 345 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 433 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 415 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 393 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 406 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 435 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 305 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 418 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 431 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
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Re: correction 368 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
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Re: correction 396 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 396 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
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Re: correction 409 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
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Re: correction 429 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 331 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 309 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 457 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 431 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 421 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 437 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 378 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 359 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 357 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 423 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 437 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 421 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 536 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 504 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 452 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 600 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 370 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 359 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 377 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 388 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 385 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 523 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 401 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 509 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 385 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 420 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 363 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 325 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 389 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 439 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 368 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 456 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 418 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 433 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 448 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 380 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 455 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 328 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 389 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 431 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 419 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 392 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 432 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 305 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 412 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 385 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 377 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 344 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 371 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 395 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 366 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 407 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 356 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 359 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 429 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 255 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 391 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 449 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 414 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 430 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 328 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 389 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 395 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 418 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 394 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 426 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 423 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 411 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 324 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 430 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 340 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 429 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 410 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 381 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 445 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 552 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 449 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 432 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 439 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 439 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 462 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 371 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 460 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 486 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 452 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 444 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 438 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 346 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 474 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 460 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 474 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 467 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 494 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 511 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 496 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 526 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 218 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 215 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 235 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 219 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 212 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 194 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 213 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 220 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 201 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 211 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 213 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 218 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 208 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 209 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 199 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 208 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 215 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 217 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 222 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 254 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 241 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 225 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 211 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 229 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 210 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 192 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 227 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 223 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 207 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 219 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 208 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 213 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 231 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 226 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 235 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 220 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 224 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 215 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 213 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 226 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 222 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 218 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 217 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 242 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 230 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 207 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 206 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 200 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 203 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 255 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 218 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 250 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 232 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 206 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 231 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 217 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 230 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 216 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 199 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 243 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 222 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 268 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 222 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 213 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 233 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 210 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 218 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 204 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 235 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 254 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 222 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 229 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 241 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 272 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 233 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 233 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 231 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 215 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 211 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 230 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 222 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 229 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 226 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 250 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 188 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 213 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 191 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 184 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 187 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 220 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 183 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 192 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 231 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 211 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17