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Author: Dr. Troglodyte wrote:
Date: April 05, 2018 03:42PM
Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Dr. Trog
> Dr. Troglodyte ​wrote
> Date: April 03, 2018 07:08PM
> ​>​Hello Steve Clayton; you wrote: ”…The
> average mans weight is approx. 185 to 200
> lbs…”
>
> ​>​This statement references no informed
> source for the above assumption. Studies* indicate
> the body mass mean for “Non-elite”
> ​>​>males at Giza during the Old Kingdom to be
> 62.2 kg (132.72 lbs), a negative difference of
> nearly 60 pounds [average] per
> ​>​>constructor.
>
> ​>​Calculations influenced by the posted
> information are approximately 31% in error.
>
> ​>​*Egyptian Body Size: A Regional and
> Worldwide Comparison, Michelle H. Raxter,
> University of South Florida, 2011
>
>
>
> ​Hello ​Dr. Troglodyte​,
>
> I am happy to have you chime in. The exercise is,
> to see how practical using an (shaduf) inverted
> lever​, is when attempting to lift an average
> Pyramid stone. As the stone is 5,000lbs. (2.5
> tons) and the poll is 20 ft. long. The fulcrum
> point is at 75 percent. As you can see in the
> drawing below, converted to inches, it requires
> 1,666 lbs. to reach equilibrium. Using your
> ancient Egyptians @ 133 lbs., it would require
> 12.5 men hanging from the rope. Correct me if I am
> wrong, the Pyramid steps are only 2.5 - 3.0 feet
> wide. Placing a counterweight on one end, as used
> in a Shaduf, is impracticable, as you will need to
> lift that counterweight, using the opposite end.
> The levers mechanical advantage is now working
> against you.
>
> Possibly, there is some other method or
> combination, which would work better? If you only
> have 2.5 feet on on end, it drops down to 5 men.
> Still, you need to control the lift. The pole is
> over your head. How is that accomplished?
>
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Hello Steve Clayton:

We have had a similar discussion previously. The general answer remains…

Here, specifically, a number of erroneous assumptions regarding the ”means and methods” have been made. Petrie (Corrected Great Pyramid Course Elevations and Plate 8) illustrates the largest course of the Great Pyramid, above the base courses, is the 35th (+/- 49.5 inches thick average). This course represents approximately 50% of the stone required for the entire Pyramid’s construction. Likely to this level earthen and mud brick ramps were utilized to maneuver (‘lift’) the bulk of the large core and casing stones.






Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; approximately 45.77% less than the speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) would have been most productive above this level.

Regarding these proposed Shadfu crews, the presumption of a single crew, of any size, is lacking; as is the area of the necessary staging zones (”…steps…only 2.5 - 3.0 feet wide…”). Two (2), perhaps four (4), crews (working on two levels of +/- 1 cubit apart vertically) could potentially operate independent machines on a single stone, simultaneously. Staging zones, placed strategically, would enable transportation at numerous locations on the structure.

Read Smith…



Dr. Troglodyte




Hi Dr. Troglodyte,

> Above the 35th course, the majority of the stone units are approximately one (1) cubit high [Petrie] and weigh >approximately one (1) ton [see Smith’s ratio, h:w:l = 1.0:1.33:2.0 cubits]; >approximately 45.77% less than the >speculated 5,000 pounds above (”…5,000lbs. (2.5 tons)…” The employment of ‘Shadfu crews’ (assuming the application) >would have been most >productive above this level.

Ref: An Egyptian Cubit = 20.6"

Switching over to 1 ton stones, would be a 60% reduction in weight, ie. 2,000lbs. See below: 286 lbs. of force, is better, especially if they employed a counter weight. The counter weight, still needs to be lifted each time, for re-attaching another stone. Let's say a 100lb. counter weight. This is more reasonable, though we still have a 52 degree incline, with only a 20.6" (Egyptian Long cubit) shelve. This is not enough room to stand on and/or work. If the pole runs down the center of the sheIve, can you walk to the other end, which is now only approx. 10" to maneuver. Are we now claiming the casing stones were only 20.6 " high, to match Petrie's estimate? And besides, how did they lift all the casing stones? The casing stones negate 5 men crews. Were the casing stones only 20.6" tall, or did they stack the cubit stones on top of each other? That should be visible, as most of the casing stones are missing.







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07-Apr-18 15:36 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: In A Cemetery 404 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 460 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 379 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
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Re: In A Cemetery 502 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 365 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
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Re: In A Cemetery 477 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 499 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 501 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
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Re: In A Cemetery 503 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 449 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 497 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
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Re: In A Cemetery 550 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 512 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 465 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 380 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 409 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 535 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 498 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 458 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 562 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 454 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 455 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 461 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 468 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 230 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 371 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 558 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 511 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 504 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 479 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 508 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 482 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 509 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 658 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 450 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 364 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 468 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 512 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 490 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 477 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 486 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 478 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
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Re: G3 Exposed 544 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
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Re: G3 Exposed 535 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 433 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
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Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 499 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
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Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 509 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 641 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 519 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 438 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
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Re: Pyramid Construction 488 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 446 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 509 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 423 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 454 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 472 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 496 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 483 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 447 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 504 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 438 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 470 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 493 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 512 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 515 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 407 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
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Re: Pyramid Construction 431 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 465 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 453 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 463 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 459 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 513 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 359 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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Re: correction 432 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 412 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 422 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 450 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 320 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 433 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
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Re: correction 413 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 407 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
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Re: correction 447 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
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Re: correction 469 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
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Re: correction 435 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
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Re: correction 393 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 372 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 371 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
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Re: correction 524 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 467 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 623 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 386 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 372 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 394 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 402 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 399 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 545 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
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Re: correction 536 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 402 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 437 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 378 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 343 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 403 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
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Block Removal 451 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
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Re: correction 474 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 342 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 409 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 443 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 432 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 407 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 449 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 322 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 430 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 403 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 394 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 363 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 387 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 409 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 380 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 425 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 369 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 375 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 452 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 268 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 412 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 470 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 428 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 447 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 343 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 407 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 410 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 432 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 411 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 442 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 441 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 426 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 344 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 442 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 353 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 452 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 424 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 397 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 462 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 570 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 463 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 452 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 457 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 454 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 479 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 386 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 480 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 454 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 472 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 460 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 455 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 367 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 486 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 488 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 484 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 508 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 524 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 510 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 544 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 541 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 356 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 230 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 257 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 232 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 318 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 238 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 207 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 242 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 214 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 224 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 224 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 212 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 219 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 227 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 230 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 258 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 242 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 223 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 242 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 227 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 207 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 243 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 220 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 238 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 220 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 242 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 248 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 245 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 238 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 235 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 230 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 228 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 279 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 237 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 322 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 283 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 225 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 213 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 217 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 275 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 248 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 221 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 245 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 239 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 254 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 230 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 245 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 231 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 253 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 212 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 263 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 237 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 288 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 237 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 226 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 251 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 228 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 231 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 217 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 248 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 289 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 244 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 259 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 288 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 248 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 248 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 244 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 229 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 224 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 244 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 234 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 246 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 242 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 266 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 208 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 228 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 205 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 201 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 202 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 238 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 197 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 207 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 243 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 225 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17