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>...
> Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question
> of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.
>
> From very distant memory
> Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great
> work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a
> specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is
> based on?
> Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific
> first building identified as still extant, but it
> singular may have existed. However there are
> rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia
> and Egypt that conform to the general style.

"May have existed" and so no specific example of any building credibly dated before the first known use of the palace facade in a serekh. So how do you know which came first?


> Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?...

Why the need to resort to analogy if you believe that the physical evidence exists to support the primary assertion?


> Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of
> Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always
> on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)

How about, let's not "pretend" but instead point to actual physical evidence that supports the primary assertion? Do we know with certainty that the palace facade design on the serekh -- which in its earliest known form was far more abstract than more modern versions that clearly took on what appears to be more distinct architectural details -- was not created before the design appeared in the architecture?


> What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic
> identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt
> up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would
> the building in some form have been built or
> likely come first?
...

"Dreamt up" and "likely" are your characterizations, not mine. The earliest version of a serekh has abstract lines that look no more like a building than a picket fence today, and I see no evidence that royalty has (or had) a monopoly on fences.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence mounting to suggest that Manetho's timeline is becoming increasingly problematic, and so we don't really know when the language was originally developed or the true original provenance of much of that architecture. And so according to your "dreamt up" assertion, how can you be sure that a later culture didn't stumble upon a pre-existing ancient infrastructure of megalithic architecture and language, made it their own, assigned their own interpretation to everything they found there, including strange paintings and inscriptions (glyphs), and developed a culture with its own subsequent architectural styles around that belief system? And nothing excludes the possibility that this might have happened several times.


> What you are likely asking though is has one or
> the other extant examples of either been found
> and dated dated as original and first?
> Well unless you have had a major change of
> perception or brain transplant recently, you
> almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute
> virtually any or most dating offered by any
> professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's
> anyway !

Again, that's your characterization, not mine.

I have a problem with dating by means of contextual association. Bones, food, and clothing found within a set of ruins very likely indicates the presence of the most recent culture that occupied those ruins and might have no bearing at all on the original construction of those ruins.

What dating do you subscribe to that answers that question satisfactorily for you?


> Or you might be alluding perhaps to this
> phenomena had nothing to do with either very
> ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but
> belongs to a non attested unrelated "other"
> culture. This you will have to produce the
> evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and
> digging at GT or Turkey!

I assume that by "phenomena" you are referring to the claim that the use of the palace facade in the serekh represents a pre-existing architectural style rather than its use preceeding a subsequent architectural style. In that case, I've seen no evidence to authenticate either scenario (ie, which came first). So it's still in Schödinger's Cat mode based on the evidence I've seen so far.


> ...
> Whilst I'm at it
>
>
Quote
Origyptian from Mastaba thread
> An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0
> & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the
> inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure
> complete with couryard, the uraeus in the
> courtyard, and the use of a place facade to
> represent the enclosed building rather than a
> better depiction of the actual structure at that
> end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the
> earliest architectural examples of the palace
> facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure
> wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight
> line in the serekh rather than a rippled line
> indicating the pleating? Why focus on the
> engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather
> than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of
> the building within that enclosure -- have any
> Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not
> the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a
> palace facade design
>
>
> It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand
> what you are looking at. in reference to Djet
> serekh
>
> The façade part is not plan view it is elevation
> view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus"
> is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think
> the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall ,
> as some describe it like that but it is the
> outline forming a place that later serekhs
> included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name
> were enclosed /written (previously outside or
> alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty
> perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God
> affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in
> Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in
> somewhat different form.

Yes, of coure I realize that's the interpretation of what's being depicted. Aside from the origin of including the "name" in the serekh, my question about the palace facade is why go through the geometric contortion of including an "elevation view" (ie, side view) of the wall and reproduce that closeup detail atop a plan view of the wall that's misrepresented as a straight line instead of simply (and more acccurately) reproducing the ripples within the the plan view itself. It seems like an unnecessary contortion that is easily reconciled by the possibility that the "palace facade" originally represented something other than the architectural style of the "enclosure wall" which is represented as a straight rather than rippled line.


> Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe
> if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my
> guess ....don't count on it.
>
> I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
> Cheers

It doesn't seem like a dilemma to me.

> ...
> Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah
> 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions
> in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland!
> Then..... do you think they could have made a wild
> guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like
> sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned
> out consistent or they later bred or imported them
> , or that mythical unicorns were not already
> folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?

Defaulting to such analogies, metaphors and essentially false equivalencies is often how such apparent dilemmas are created in the first place. That's one reason that I only consider the direct physical evidence. I just haven't seen it yet.

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Pyramid Construction 7033 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 974 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 888 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 824 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 796 Jon Ellison 11-Dec-16 12:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 757 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 669 DScribr 11-Dec-16 14:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 739 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 713 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 672 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 616 DUNE 16-Dec-16 14:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 751 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 644 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 754 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 692 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 682 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 685 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 532 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 772 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 612 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 649 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
Re: Block Construction 674 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:35
Re: Block Construction 707 randompHactor 11-Dec-16 21:53
Re: Block Construction 631 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 729 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 680 DScribr 11-Dec-16 23:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 648 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 694 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 673 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
Re: More Sand 653 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:19
Re: More Sand 669 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 00:15
Re: More Sand 665 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:25
Re: More Sand 666 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:03
Re: More Sand 664 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 01:19
Where is the Sand 687 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:00
Re: Where is the Sand 668 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:15
Re: Where is the Sand 681 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:34
Re: More Sand 720 Audrey 13-Dec-16 03:50
Re: More Sand 642 cladking 13-Dec-16 04:43
Re: More Sand 712 Audrey 13-Dec-16 04:55
Re: More Sand 750 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 11:40
Re: More Sand 758 Audrey 14-Dec-16 02:43
Re: More Sand 757 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 10:39
Re: More Sand 694 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:19
Re: More Sand 690 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:03
Re: More Sand 660 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:19
Re: More Sand 698 Audrey 15-Dec-16 05:40
Re: More Sand 649 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 09:50
Re: More Sand 607 DUNE 15-Dec-16 11:35
Re: More Sand 620 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 12:38
Re: More Sand 662 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:10
Re: More Sand 656 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 14:52
Re: More Sand 610 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 14:33
Re: More Sand 601 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:17
Re: More Sand 628 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:35
Re: More Sand 609 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:45
Re: More Sand 684 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 16:02
Re: More Sand 618 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 16:25
Re: More Sand 585 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:00
Re: More Sand 520 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:20
Re: More Sand 647 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:38
Re: More Sand 605 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:48
Re: More Sand 669 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:27
Re: More Sand 606 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 14:41
Re: More Sand 650 DUNE 16-Dec-16 15:38
Re: More Sand 571 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 17:02
Re: More Sand 728 DUNE 16-Dec-16 17:15
Re: More Sand 644 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:12
Re: More Sand 613 DUNE 16-Dec-16 20:04
Re: More Sand 684 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 17:01
Re: More Sand 546 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:33
Chisel Marks Suggest..... 634 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 657 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 607 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 596 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
Re: More Sand 625 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 11:43
Popular Posters 690 loveritas 14-Dec-16 10:57
Re: Popular Posters 754 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 621 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
Presumption Correction 760 loveritas 13-Dec-16 06:35
Re: Presumption Correction 711 Audrey 13-Dec-16 06:38
Re: More Sand 710 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 07:17
Re: More Sand 631 cladking 13-Dec-16 14:46
Re: More Sand 682 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 18:07
Re: More Sand 602 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 19:07
Re: More Sand 696 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:19
Re: More Sand 656 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 02:34
Re: More Sand 683 cladking 14-Dec-16 03:41
Re: More Sand 616 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 17:39
Re: More Sand 680 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:16
Re: More Sand 609 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 662 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 695 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 662 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 762 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 688 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 560 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 597 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 586 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 00:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 671 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 621 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 636 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 863 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 688 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 595 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 19:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 662 M. J. Thomas 12-Dec-16 11:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 659 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 17:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 658 M. J. Thomas 13-Dec-16 01:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 632 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 706 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 18:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 616 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 18:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 680 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 647 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 622 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 608 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 633 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 711 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
Re: Houdin's most critical error 621 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 18:52
Re: Houdin's most critical error 701 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
Re: Houdin's most critical error 600 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 21:07
the $64,000.00 Question 674 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:35
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 577 DScribr 16-Dec-16 21:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 633 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 677 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:23
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 612 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 628 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 596 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 11:24
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 657 DUNE 18-Dec-16 12:14
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 595 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 688 DUNE 18-Dec-16 17:51
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 562 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 518 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 19:41
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 564 DUNE 19-Dec-16 21:29
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 500 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 22:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 604 DUNE 19-Dec-16 23:21
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 530 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 606 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 555 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
Where are the Taxonomies? 588 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 603 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 544 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 604 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 608 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 606 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 484 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 601 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 589 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 607 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 569 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 595 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 498 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 606 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 644 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 550 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 540 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 555 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 584 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 563 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 577 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 548 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 537 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 513 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 495 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 539 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 570 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 529 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 483 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
Re: In A Cemetery 541 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:11
Re: In A Cemetery 531 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 523 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 550 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 598 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 534 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 510 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 504 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 588 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 521 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 580 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 514 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 434 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 595 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 479 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 578 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 603 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 596 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 607 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 570 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 591 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 571 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 598 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 590 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 659 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 646 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 562 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 484 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 510 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 627 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 620 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 557 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 666 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 547 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 583 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 554 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 580 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 342 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 481 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 632 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 710 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 569 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 638 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 649 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 677 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 650 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 614 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 602 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 593 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 603 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 749 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 568 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 460 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 564 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 636 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 588 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 611 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 612 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 590 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 569 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 558 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 734 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 640 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
Re: G3 Exposed 580 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:15
Re: G3 Exposed 803 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 646 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 576 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 566 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 756 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 613 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 645 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 633 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 806 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 630 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 568 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 560 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 581 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 549 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 575 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 606 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 581 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 539 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 562 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 558 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 561 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 605 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 595 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 555 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 612 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 545 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 608 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 591 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 609 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 617 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 498 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 593 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 632 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 577 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 594 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 530 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 543 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 568 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 554 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 642 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 494 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 583 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 553 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 531 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 549 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 540 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 432 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 549 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 544 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
Re: correction 568 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 16:20
Re: correction 498 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
Re: correction 553 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 21:00
Re: correction 578 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 06:43
Re: correction 521 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 511 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
Re: correction 493 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 12:06
Re: correction 518 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
Re: correction 537 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 15:41
Re: correction 557 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 481 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 449 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 562 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 558 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 541 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 567 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 534 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 500 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 490 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 570 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 587 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 543 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 664 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 641 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 627 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 747 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 514 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 528 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 517 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 501 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 516 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 659 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 535 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 686 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 540 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 538 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 501 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 468 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 500 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 579 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 485 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 586 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 556 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 587 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 585 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 518 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 618 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 489 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 499 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 548 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 524 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 520 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 594 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 420 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 554 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 519 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 494 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 460 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 533 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 524 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 494 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 541 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 474 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 486 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 554 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 363 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 534 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 586 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 538 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 591 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 469 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 509 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 507 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 570 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 549 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 585 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 581 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 559 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 441 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 552 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 456 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 563 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 536 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 507 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 581 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 692 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 572 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 568 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 563 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 573 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 603 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 519 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 614 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 671 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 598 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 610 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 590 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 589 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 486 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 577 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 602 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 586 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 608 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 603 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 659 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 607 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 641 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 662 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 542 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 486 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 410 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 423 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 403 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 351 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 307 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 324 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 407 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 327 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 356 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 389 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 382 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 314 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 357 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 346 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 312 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 367 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 316 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 333 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 355 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 356 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 468 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 414 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 441 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 410 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 396 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 401 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 396 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 402 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 332 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 343 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 475 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 329 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 363 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 354 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 444 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 350 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 321 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 336 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 328 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 322 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 331 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 341 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 423 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 397 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 342 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 374 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 374 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 430 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 341 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 345 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 347 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 327 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 347 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 348 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 387 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 314 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 327 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 322 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 306 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 299 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 289 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07