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>...
> Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question
> of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.
>
> From very distant memory
> Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great
> work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a
> specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is
> based on?
> Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific
> first building identified as still extant, but it
> singular may have existed. However there are
> rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia
> and Egypt that conform to the general style.

"May have existed" and so no specific example of any building credibly dated before the first known use of the palace facade in a serekh. So how do you know which came first?


> Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?...

Why the need to resort to analogy if you believe that the physical evidence exists to support the primary assertion?


> Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of
> Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always
> on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)

How about, let's not "pretend" but instead point to actual physical evidence that supports the primary assertion? Do we know with certainty that the palace facade design on the serekh -- which in its earliest known form was far more abstract than more modern versions that clearly took on what appears to be more distinct architectural details -- was not created before the design appeared in the architecture?


> What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic
> identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt
> up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would
> the building in some form have been built or
> likely come first?
...

"Dreamt up" and "likely" are your characterizations, not mine. The earliest version of a serekh has abstract lines that look no more like a building than a picket fence today, and I see no evidence that royalty has (or had) a monopoly on fences.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence mounting to suggest that Manetho's timeline is becoming increasingly problematic, and so we don't really know when the language was originally developed or the true original provenance of much of that architecture. And so according to your "dreamt up" assertion, how can you be sure that a later culture didn't stumble upon a pre-existing ancient infrastructure of megalithic architecture and language, made it their own, assigned their own interpretation to everything they found there, including strange paintings and inscriptions (glyphs), and developed a culture with its own subsequent architectural styles around that belief system? And nothing excludes the possibility that this might have happened several times.


> What you are likely asking though is has one or
> the other extant examples of either been found
> and dated dated as original and first?
> Well unless you have had a major change of
> perception or brain transplant recently, you
> almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute
> virtually any or most dating offered by any
> professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's
> anyway !

Again, that's your characterization, not mine.

I have a problem with dating by means of contextual association. Bones, food, and clothing found within a set of ruins very likely indicates the presence of the most recent culture that occupied those ruins and might have no bearing at all on the original construction of those ruins.

What dating do you subscribe to that answers that question satisfactorily for you?


> Or you might be alluding perhaps to this
> phenomena had nothing to do with either very
> ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but
> belongs to a non attested unrelated "other"
> culture. This you will have to produce the
> evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and
> digging at GT or Turkey!

I assume that by "phenomena" you are referring to the claim that the use of the palace facade in the serekh represents a pre-existing architectural style rather than its use preceeding a subsequent architectural style. In that case, I've seen no evidence to authenticate either scenario (ie, which came first). So it's still in Schödinger's Cat mode based on the evidence I've seen so far.


> ...
> Whilst I'm at it
>
>
Quote
Origyptian from Mastaba thread
> An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0
> & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the
> inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure
> complete with couryard, the uraeus in the
> courtyard, and the use of a place facade to
> represent the enclosed building rather than a
> better depiction of the actual structure at that
> end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the
> earliest architectural examples of the palace
> facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure
> wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight
> line in the serekh rather than a rippled line
> indicating the pleating? Why focus on the
> engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather
> than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of
> the building within that enclosure -- have any
> Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not
> the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a
> palace facade design
>
>
> It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand
> what you are looking at. in reference to Djet
> serekh
>
> The façade part is not plan view it is elevation
> view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus"
> is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think
> the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall ,
> as some describe it like that but it is the
> outline forming a place that later serekhs
> included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name
> were enclosed /written (previously outside or
> alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty
> perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God
> affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in
> Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in
> somewhat different form.

Yes, of coure I realize that's the interpretation of what's being depicted. Aside from the origin of including the "name" in the serekh, my question about the palace facade is why go through the geometric contortion of including an "elevation view" (ie, side view) of the wall and reproduce that closeup detail atop a plan view of the wall that's misrepresented as a straight line instead of simply (and more acccurately) reproducing the ripples within the the plan view itself. It seems like an unnecessary contortion that is easily reconciled by the possibility that the "palace facade" originally represented something other than the architectural style of the "enclosure wall" which is represented as a straight rather than rippled line.


> Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe
> if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my
> guess ....don't count on it.
>
> I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
> Cheers

It doesn't seem like a dilemma to me.

> ...
> Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah
> 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions
> in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland!
> Then..... do you think they could have made a wild
> guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like
> sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned
> out consistent or they later bred or imported them
> , or that mythical unicorns were not already
> folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?

Defaulting to such analogies, metaphors and essentially false equivalencies is often how such apparent dilemmas are created in the first place. That's one reason that I only consider the direct physical evidence. I just haven't seen it yet.

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Pyramid Construction 7152 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 1009 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 915 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 850 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 821 Jon Ellison 11-Dec-16 12:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 791 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 693 DScribr 11-Dec-16 14:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 765 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 739 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 706 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 643 DUNE 16-Dec-16 14:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 780 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 669 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 779 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 719 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 708 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 710 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 557 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 800 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 637 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 677 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
Re: Block Construction 706 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:35
Re: Block Construction 733 randompHactor 11-Dec-16 21:53
Re: Block Construction 656 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 752 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 708 DScribr 11-Dec-16 23:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 674 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 719 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 699 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
Re: More Sand 678 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:19
Re: More Sand 695 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 00:15
Re: More Sand 690 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:25
Re: More Sand 688 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:03
Re: More Sand 690 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 01:19
Where is the Sand 714 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:00
Re: Where is the Sand 697 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:15
Re: Where is the Sand 707 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:34
Re: More Sand 745 Audrey 13-Dec-16 03:50
Re: More Sand 666 cladking 13-Dec-16 04:43
Re: More Sand 738 Audrey 13-Dec-16 04:55
Re: More Sand 777 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 11:40
Re: More Sand 783 Audrey 14-Dec-16 02:43
Re: More Sand 783 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 10:39
Re: More Sand 720 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:19
Re: More Sand 715 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:03
Re: More Sand 686 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:19
Re: More Sand 723 Audrey 15-Dec-16 05:40
Re: More Sand 697 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 09:50
Re: More Sand 634 DUNE 15-Dec-16 11:35
Re: More Sand 646 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 12:38
Re: More Sand 687 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:10
Re: More Sand 681 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 14:52
Re: More Sand 635 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 14:33
Re: More Sand 627 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:17
Re: More Sand 658 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:35
Re: More Sand 638 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:45
Re: More Sand 711 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 16:02
Re: More Sand 651 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 16:25
Re: More Sand 611 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:00
Re: More Sand 548 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:20
Re: More Sand 679 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:38
Re: More Sand 634 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:48
Re: More Sand 694 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:27
Re: More Sand 638 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 14:41
Re: More Sand 676 DUNE 16-Dec-16 15:38
Re: More Sand 606 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 17:02
Re: More Sand 754 DUNE 16-Dec-16 17:15
Re: More Sand 670 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:12
Re: More Sand 638 DUNE 16-Dec-16 20:04
Re: More Sand 711 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 17:01
Re: More Sand 573 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:33
Chisel Marks Suggest..... 663 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 684 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 634 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 625 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
Re: More Sand 651 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 11:43
Popular Posters 734 loveritas 14-Dec-16 10:57
Re: Popular Posters 790 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 648 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
Presumption Correction 782 loveritas 13-Dec-16 06:35
Re: Presumption Correction 738 Audrey 13-Dec-16 06:38
Re: More Sand 738 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 07:17
Re: More Sand 660 cladking 13-Dec-16 14:46
Re: More Sand 710 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 18:07
Re: More Sand 629 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 19:07
Re: More Sand 724 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:19
Re: More Sand 692 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 02:34
Re: More Sand 710 cladking 14-Dec-16 03:41
Re: More Sand 645 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 17:39
Re: More Sand 708 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:16
Re: More Sand 636 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 689 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 719 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 688 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 789 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 712 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 582 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 623 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 610 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 00:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 701 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 646 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 662 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 897 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 619 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 19:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 689 M. J. Thomas 12-Dec-16 11:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 683 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 17:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 683 M. J. Thomas 13-Dec-16 01:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 656 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 744 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 18:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 640 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 18:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 703 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 671 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 649 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 631 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 659 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 736 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
Re: Houdin's most critical error 645 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 18:52
Re: Houdin's most critical error 732 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
Re: Houdin's most critical error 621 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 21:07
the $64,000.00 Question 697 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:35
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 599 DScribr 16-Dec-16 21:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 656 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 709 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:23
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 635 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 650 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 621 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 11:24
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 680 DUNE 18-Dec-16 12:14
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 622 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 712 DUNE 18-Dec-16 17:51
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 589 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 543 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 19:41
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 586 DUNE 19-Dec-16 21:29
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 525 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 22:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 627 DUNE 19-Dec-16 23:21
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 556 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 629 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 577 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
Where are the Taxonomies? 612 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 625 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 564 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 628 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 632 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 630 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 507 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 625 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 614 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 631 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 593 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 616 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 523 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 629 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 669 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 575 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 563 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 577 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 610 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 586 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 603 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 570 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 558 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 536 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 517 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 563 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 595 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 552 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 506 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
Re: In A Cemetery 563 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:11
Re: In A Cemetery 554 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 546 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 577 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 622 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 558 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 536 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 529 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 610 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 544 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 604 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 540 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 457 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 620 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 501 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 600 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 625 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 622 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 636 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 600 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 616 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 596 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 627 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 613 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 686 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 668 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 586 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 506 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 534 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 650 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 643 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 583 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 688 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 569 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 606 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 578 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 604 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 380 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 504 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 657 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 734 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 663 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 676 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 699 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 673 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 638 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 627 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 616 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 626 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 773 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 598 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 482 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 587 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 659 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 618 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 613 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 636 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 633 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 615 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 594 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 585 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 760 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 665 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
Re: G3 Exposed 605 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:15
Re: G3 Exposed 830 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 670 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 597 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 592 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 781 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 635 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 666 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 656 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 834 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 656 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 593 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 583 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 603 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 573 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 600 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 630 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 605 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 561 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 599 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 581 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 586 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 616 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 626 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 621 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 578 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 636 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 568 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 631 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 617 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 632 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 639 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 621 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 656 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 600 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 619 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 553 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 616 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 566 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 578 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 665 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 529 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 604 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 578 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 557 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 571 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 562 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 456 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 574 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 568 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
Re: correction 591 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 16:20
Re: correction 522 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
Re: correction 586 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 21:00
Re: correction 600 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 06:43
Re: correction 545 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 543 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
Re: correction 516 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 12:06
Re: correction 542 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
Re: correction 562 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 15:41
Re: correction 588 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 505 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 472 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 585 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 581 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 563 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 590 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 557 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 525 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 513 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 593 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 611 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 567 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 686 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 665 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 650 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 771 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 540 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 554 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 555 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 523 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 540 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 681 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 558 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 723 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 570 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 561 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 523 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 492 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 523 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 604 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 510 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 609 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 583 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 609 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 610 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 544 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 642 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 520 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 525 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 571 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 547 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 542 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 617 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 443 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 576 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 543 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 517 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 484 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 559 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 548 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 517 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 563 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 501 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 509 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 594 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 386 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 568 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 610 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 562 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 613 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 491 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 532 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 531 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 606 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 572 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 613 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 614 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 597 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 464 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 575 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 478 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 595 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 560 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 535 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 606 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 715 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 610 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 592 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 587 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 596 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 626 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 548 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 652 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 694 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 628 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 635 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 613 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 613 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 509 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 601 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 628 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 610 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 632 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 625 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 691 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 630 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 665 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 688 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 568 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 510 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 440 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 418 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 429 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 421 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 496 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 451 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 433 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 382 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 397 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 403 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 409 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 414 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 408 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 345 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 381 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 378 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 344 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 394 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 381 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 425 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 424 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 419 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 399 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 422 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 397 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 380 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 417 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 412 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 388 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 502 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 446 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 399 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 440 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 428 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 413 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 431 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 431 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 437 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 421 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 388 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 379 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 431 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 442 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 420 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 361 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 369 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 405 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 391 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 379 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 471 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 379 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 352 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 364 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 358 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 348 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 359 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 369 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 425 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 371 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 399 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 403 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 468 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 374 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 366 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 371 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 353 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 372 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 363 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 373 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 372 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 420 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 355 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 350 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 330 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 370 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 317 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07