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>...
> Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question
> of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.
>
> From very distant memory
> Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great
> work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a
> specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is
> based on?
> Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific
> first building identified as still extant, but it
> singular may have existed. However there are
> rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia
> and Egypt that conform to the general style.

"May have existed" and so no specific example of any building credibly dated before the first known use of the palace facade in a serekh. So how do you know which came first?


> Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?...

Why the need to resort to analogy if you believe that the physical evidence exists to support the primary assertion?


> Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of
> Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always
> on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)

How about, let's not "pretend" but instead point to actual physical evidence that supports the primary assertion? Do we know with certainty that the palace facade design on the serekh -- which in its earliest known form was far more abstract than more modern versions that clearly took on what appears to be more distinct architectural details -- was not created before the design appeared in the architecture?


> What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic
> identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt
> up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would
> the building in some form have been built or
> likely come first?
...

"Dreamt up" and "likely" are your characterizations, not mine. The earliest version of a serekh has abstract lines that look no more like a building than a picket fence today, and I see no evidence that royalty has (or had) a monopoly on fences.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence mounting to suggest that Manetho's timeline is becoming increasingly problematic, and so we don't really know when the language was originally developed or the true original provenance of much of that architecture. And so according to your "dreamt up" assertion, how can you be sure that a later culture didn't stumble upon a pre-existing ancient infrastructure of megalithic architecture and language, made it their own, assigned their own interpretation to everything they found there, including strange paintings and inscriptions (glyphs), and developed a culture with its own subsequent architectural styles around that belief system? And nothing excludes the possibility that this might have happened several times.


> What you are likely asking though is has one or
> the other extant examples of either been found
> and dated dated as original and first?
> Well unless you have had a major change of
> perception or brain transplant recently, you
> almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute
> virtually any or most dating offered by any
> professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's
> anyway !

Again, that's your characterization, not mine.

I have a problem with dating by means of contextual association. Bones, food, and clothing found within a set of ruins very likely indicates the presence of the most recent culture that occupied those ruins and might have no bearing at all on the original construction of those ruins.

What dating do you subscribe to that answers that question satisfactorily for you?


> Or you might be alluding perhaps to this
> phenomena had nothing to do with either very
> ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but
> belongs to a non attested unrelated "other"
> culture. This you will have to produce the
> evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and
> digging at GT or Turkey!

I assume that by "phenomena" you are referring to the claim that the use of the palace facade in the serekh represents a pre-existing architectural style rather than its use preceeding a subsequent architectural style. In that case, I've seen no evidence to authenticate either scenario (ie, which came first). So it's still in Schödinger's Cat mode based on the evidence I've seen so far.


> ...
> Whilst I'm at it
>
>
Quote
Origyptian from Mastaba thread
> An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0
> & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the
> inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure
> complete with couryard, the uraeus in the
> courtyard, and the use of a place facade to
> represent the enclosed building rather than a
> better depiction of the actual structure at that
> end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the
> earliest architectural examples of the palace
> facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure
> wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight
> line in the serekh rather than a rippled line
> indicating the pleating? Why focus on the
> engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather
> than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of
> the building within that enclosure -- have any
> Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not
> the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a
> palace facade design
>
>
> It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand
> what you are looking at. in reference to Djet
> serekh
>
> The façade part is not plan view it is elevation
> view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus"
> is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think
> the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall ,
> as some describe it like that but it is the
> outline forming a place that later serekhs
> included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name
> were enclosed /written (previously outside or
> alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty
> perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God
> affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in
> Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in
> somewhat different form.

Yes, of coure I realize that's the interpretation of what's being depicted. Aside from the origin of including the "name" in the serekh, my question about the palace facade is why go through the geometric contortion of including an "elevation view" (ie, side view) of the wall and reproduce that closeup detail atop a plan view of the wall that's misrepresented as a straight line instead of simply (and more acccurately) reproducing the ripples within the the plan view itself. It seems like an unnecessary contortion that is easily reconciled by the possibility that the "palace facade" originally represented something other than the architectural style of the "enclosure wall" which is represented as a straight rather than rippled line.


> Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe
> if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my
> guess ....don't count on it.
>
> I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
> Cheers

It doesn't seem like a dilemma to me.

> ...
> Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah
> 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions
> in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland!
> Then..... do you think they could have made a wild
> guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like
> sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned
> out consistent or they later bred or imported them
> , or that mythical unicorns were not already
> folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?

Defaulting to such analogies, metaphors and essentially false equivalencies is often how such apparent dilemmas are created in the first place. That's one reason that I only consider the direct physical evidence. I just haven't seen it yet.

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Pyramid Construction 6995 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 966 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 882 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 818 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 791 Jon Ellison 11-Dec-16 12:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 750 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 664 DScribr 11-Dec-16 14:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 732 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 705 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 664 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 610 DUNE 16-Dec-16 14:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 744 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 639 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 748 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 685 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 677 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 679 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 524 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 761 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 607 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 643 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
Re: Block Construction 669 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:35
Re: Block Construction 702 randompHactor 11-Dec-16 21:53
Re: Block Construction 626 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 723 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 674 DScribr 11-Dec-16 23:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 643 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 688 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 668 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
Re: More Sand 648 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:19
Re: More Sand 664 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 00:15
Re: More Sand 659 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:25
Re: More Sand 660 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:03
Re: More Sand 659 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 01:19
Where is the Sand 681 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:00
Re: Where is the Sand 662 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:15
Re: Where is the Sand 676 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:34
Re: More Sand 714 Audrey 13-Dec-16 03:50
Re: More Sand 637 cladking 13-Dec-16 04:43
Re: More Sand 706 Audrey 13-Dec-16 04:55
Re: More Sand 744 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 11:40
Re: More Sand 752 Audrey 14-Dec-16 02:43
Re: More Sand 750 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 10:39
Re: More Sand 688 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:19
Re: More Sand 684 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:03
Re: More Sand 655 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:19
Re: More Sand 690 Audrey 15-Dec-16 05:40
Re: More Sand 637 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 09:50
Re: More Sand 600 DUNE 15-Dec-16 11:35
Re: More Sand 612 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 12:38
Re: More Sand 653 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:10
Re: More Sand 649 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 14:52
Re: More Sand 605 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 14:33
Re: More Sand 594 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:17
Re: More Sand 621 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:35
Re: More Sand 602 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:45
Re: More Sand 676 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 16:02
Re: More Sand 612 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 16:25
Re: More Sand 576 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:00
Re: More Sand 511 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:20
Re: More Sand 640 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:38
Re: More Sand 598 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:48
Re: More Sand 663 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:27
Re: More Sand 601 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 14:41
Re: More Sand 644 DUNE 16-Dec-16 15:38
Re: More Sand 557 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 17:02
Re: More Sand 719 DUNE 16-Dec-16 17:15
Re: More Sand 639 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:12
Re: More Sand 608 DUNE 16-Dec-16 20:04
Re: More Sand 677 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 17:01
Re: More Sand 537 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:33
Chisel Marks Suggest..... 624 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 652 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 600 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 588 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
Re: More Sand 619 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 11:43
Popular Posters 685 loveritas 14-Dec-16 10:57
Re: Popular Posters 749 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 612 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
Presumption Correction 754 loveritas 13-Dec-16 06:35
Re: Presumption Correction 705 Audrey 13-Dec-16 06:38
Re: More Sand 704 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 07:17
Re: More Sand 625 cladking 13-Dec-16 14:46
Re: More Sand 676 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 18:07
Re: More Sand 596 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 19:07
Re: More Sand 690 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:19
Re: More Sand 648 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 02:34
Re: More Sand 675 cladking 14-Dec-16 03:41
Re: More Sand 608 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 17:39
Re: More Sand 674 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:16
Re: More Sand 604 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 657 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 690 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 655 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 754 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 683 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 554 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 591 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 580 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 00:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 664 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 615 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 630 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 857 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 679 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 589 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 19:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 656 M. J. Thomas 12-Dec-16 11:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 654 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 17:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 652 M. J. Thomas 13-Dec-16 01:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 627 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 696 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 18:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 611 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 18:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 673 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 641 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 615 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 600 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 626 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 705 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
Re: Houdin's most critical error 614 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 18:52
Re: Houdin's most critical error 694 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
Re: Houdin's most critical error 595 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 21:07
the $64,000.00 Question 669 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:35
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 571 DScribr 16-Dec-16 21:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 628 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 670 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:23
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 606 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 623 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 591 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 11:24
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 651 DUNE 18-Dec-16 12:14
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 589 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 682 DUNE 18-Dec-16 17:51
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 557 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 513 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 19:41
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 557 DUNE 19-Dec-16 21:29
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 495 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 22:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 598 DUNE 19-Dec-16 23:21
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 523 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 601 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 549 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
Where are the Taxonomies? 578 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 595 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 538 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 598 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 602 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 601 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 479 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 595 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 581 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 602 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 562 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 590 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 492 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 599 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 637 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 545 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 535 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 548 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 578 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 558 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 572 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 542 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 532 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 507 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 487 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 532 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 563 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 522 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 478 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
Re: In A Cemetery 534 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:11
Re: In A Cemetery 522 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 518 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 542 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 593 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 527 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 501 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 498 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 583 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 514 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 575 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 508 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 428 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 590 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 472 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 572 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 597 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 591 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 601 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 564 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 584 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 566 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 588 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 584 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 653 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 641 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 557 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 479 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 503 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 622 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 615 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 552 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 660 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 542 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 576 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 549 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 574 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 336 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 475 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 626 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 705 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 563 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 631 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 639 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 667 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 641 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 609 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 597 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 587 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 598 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 744 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 559 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 455 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 558 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 631 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 587 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 583 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 606 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 607 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 584 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 563 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 552 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 729 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 635 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
Re: G3 Exposed 575 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:15
Re: G3 Exposed 796 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 640 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 568 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 560 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 750 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 607 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 639 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 627 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 800 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 623 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 562 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 575 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 544 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 569 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 601 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 574 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 531 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 556 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 552 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 556 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 586 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 599 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 590 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 550 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 607 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 539 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 603 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 584 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 602 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 612 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 588 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 626 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 572 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 589 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 525 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 587 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 538 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 560 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 549 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 635 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 485 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 577 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 547 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 526 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 544 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 534 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 424 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 538 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 537 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
Re: correction 562 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 16:20
Re: correction 492 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
Re: correction 547 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 21:00
Re: correction 573 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 06:43
Re: correction 515 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 502 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
Re: correction 487 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 12:06
Re: correction 512 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
Re: correction 532 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 15:41
Re: correction 552 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 476 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 444 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 557 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 553 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 534 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 561 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 528 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 494 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 484 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 565 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 580 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 536 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 658 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 636 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 622 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 742 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 509 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 519 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 510 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 495 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 510 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 651 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 527 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 677 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 528 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 532 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 496 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 460 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 495 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 573 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 480 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 581 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 551 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 578 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 578 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 512 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 612 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 478 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 494 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 543 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 519 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 515 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 589 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 414 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 549 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 514 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 488 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 453 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 525 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 516 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 487 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 535 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 468 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 479 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 543 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 355 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 527 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 580 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 532 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 583 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 459 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 504 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 501 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 565 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 544 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 580 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 576 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 552 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 436 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 544 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 450 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 553 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 531 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 501 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 574 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 685 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 566 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 562 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 557 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 567 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 594 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 512 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 608 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 663 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 592 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 604 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 585 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 580 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 481 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 571 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 597 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 579 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 603 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 597 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 652 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 601 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 635 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 655 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 537 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 329 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 402 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 449 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 329 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 413 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 355 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 300 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 313 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 324 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 329 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 316 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 399 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 320 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 381 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 376 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 305 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 350 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 339 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 305 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 360 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 309 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 369 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 433 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 404 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 381 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 396 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 304 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 388 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 355 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 326 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 338 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 369 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 463 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 322 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 358 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 347 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 439 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 343 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 315 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 329 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 323 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 317 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 324 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 336 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 417 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 334 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 368 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 368 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 425 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 338 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 335 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 339 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 319 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 342 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 321 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 342 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 340 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 380 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 309 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 320 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 315 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 301 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 293 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 335 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 284 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07