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>...
> Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question
> of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.
>
> From very distant memory
> Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great
> work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a
> specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is
> based on?
> Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific
> first building identified as still extant, but it
> singular may have existed. However there are
> rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia
> and Egypt that conform to the general style.

"May have existed" and so no specific example of any building credibly dated before the first known use of the palace facade in a serekh. So how do you know which came first?


> Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?...

Why the need to resort to analogy if you believe that the physical evidence exists to support the primary assertion?


> Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of
> Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always
> on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)

How about, let's not "pretend" but instead point to actual physical evidence that supports the primary assertion? Do we know with certainty that the palace facade design on the serekh -- which in its earliest known form was far more abstract than more modern versions that clearly took on what appears to be more distinct architectural details -- was not created before the design appeared in the architecture?


> What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic
> identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt
> up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would
> the building in some form have been built or
> likely come first?
...

"Dreamt up" and "likely" are your characterizations, not mine. The earliest version of a serekh has abstract lines that look no more like a building than a picket fence today, and I see no evidence that royalty has (or had) a monopoly on fences.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence mounting to suggest that Manetho's timeline is becoming increasingly problematic, and so we don't really know when the language was originally developed or the true original provenance of much of that architecture. And so according to your "dreamt up" assertion, how can you be sure that a later culture didn't stumble upon a pre-existing ancient infrastructure of megalithic architecture and language, made it their own, assigned their own interpretation to everything they found there, including strange paintings and inscriptions (glyphs), and developed a culture with its own subsequent architectural styles around that belief system? And nothing excludes the possibility that this might have happened several times.


> What you are likely asking though is has one or
> the other extant examples of either been found
> and dated dated as original and first?
> Well unless you have had a major change of
> perception or brain transplant recently, you
> almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute
> virtually any or most dating offered by any
> professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's
> anyway !

Again, that's your characterization, not mine.

I have a problem with dating by means of contextual association. Bones, food, and clothing found within a set of ruins very likely indicates the presence of the most recent culture that occupied those ruins and might have no bearing at all on the original construction of those ruins.

What dating do you subscribe to that answers that question satisfactorily for you?


> Or you might be alluding perhaps to this
> phenomena had nothing to do with either very
> ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but
> belongs to a non attested unrelated "other"
> culture. This you will have to produce the
> evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and
> digging at GT or Turkey!

I assume that by "phenomena" you are referring to the claim that the use of the palace facade in the serekh represents a pre-existing architectural style rather than its use preceeding a subsequent architectural style. In that case, I've seen no evidence to authenticate either scenario (ie, which came first). So it's still in Schödinger's Cat mode based on the evidence I've seen so far.


> ...
> Whilst I'm at it
>
>
Quote
Origyptian from Mastaba thread
> An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0
> & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the
> inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure
> complete with couryard, the uraeus in the
> courtyard, and the use of a place facade to
> represent the enclosed building rather than a
> better depiction of the actual structure at that
> end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the
> earliest architectural examples of the palace
> facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure
> wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight
> line in the serekh rather than a rippled line
> indicating the pleating? Why focus on the
> engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather
> than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of
> the building within that enclosure -- have any
> Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not
> the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a
> palace facade design
>
>
> It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand
> what you are looking at. in reference to Djet
> serekh
>
> The façade part is not plan view it is elevation
> view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus"
> is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think
> the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall ,
> as some describe it like that but it is the
> outline forming a place that later serekhs
> included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name
> were enclosed /written (previously outside or
> alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty
> perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God
> affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in
> Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in
> somewhat different form.

Yes, of coure I realize that's the interpretation of what's being depicted. Aside from the origin of including the "name" in the serekh, my question about the palace facade is why go through the geometric contortion of including an "elevation view" (ie, side view) of the wall and reproduce that closeup detail atop a plan view of the wall that's misrepresented as a straight line instead of simply (and more acccurately) reproducing the ripples within the the plan view itself. It seems like an unnecessary contortion that is easily reconciled by the possibility that the "palace facade" originally represented something other than the architectural style of the "enclosure wall" which is represented as a straight rather than rippled line.


> Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe
> if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my
> guess ....don't count on it.
>
> I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
> Cheers

It doesn't seem like a dilemma to me.

> ...
> Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah
> 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions
> in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland!
> Then..... do you think they could have made a wild
> guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like
> sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned
> out consistent or they later bred or imported them
> , or that mythical unicorns were not already
> folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?

Defaulting to such analogies, metaphors and essentially false equivalencies is often how such apparent dilemmas are created in the first place. That's one reason that I only consider the direct physical evidence. I just haven't seen it yet.

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Pyramid Construction 7662 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 1127 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 1016 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 947 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 914 Jon Ellison 11-Dec-16 12:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 922 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 795 DScribr 11-Dec-16 14:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 859 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 826 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 800 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 752 DUNE 16-Dec-16 14:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 883 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 762 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 875 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 805 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 804 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 796 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 658 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 900 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 729 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 770 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
Re: Block Construction 808 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:35
Re: Block Construction 824 randompHactor 11-Dec-16 21:53
Re: Block Construction 758 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 853 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 809 DScribr 11-Dec-16 23:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 767 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 821 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 796 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
Re: More Sand 768 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:19
Re: More Sand 789 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 00:15
Re: More Sand 783 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:25
Re: More Sand 788 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:03
Re: More Sand 784 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 01:19
Where is the Sand 801 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:00
Re: Where is the Sand 801 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:15
Re: Where is the Sand 809 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:34
Re: More Sand 841 Audrey 13-Dec-16 03:50
Re: More Sand 769 cladking 13-Dec-16 04:43
Re: More Sand 836 Audrey 13-Dec-16 04:55
Re: More Sand 875 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 11:40
Re: More Sand 882 Audrey 14-Dec-16 02:43
Re: More Sand 878 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 10:39
Re: More Sand 817 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:19
Re: More Sand 812 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:03
Re: More Sand 782 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 03:19
Re: More Sand 842 Audrey 15-Dec-16 05:40
Re: More Sand 803 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 09:50
Re: More Sand 720 DUNE 15-Dec-16 11:35
Re: More Sand 746 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 12:38
Re: More Sand 786 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:10
Re: More Sand 774 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 14:52
Re: More Sand 738 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 14:33
Re: More Sand 722 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:17
Re: More Sand 756 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:35
Re: More Sand 734 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 15:45
Re: More Sand 807 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 16:02
Re: More Sand 750 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 16:25
Re: More Sand 713 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:00
Re: More Sand 648 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:20
Re: More Sand 773 DUNE 15-Dec-16 17:38
Re: More Sand 746 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:48
Re: More Sand 778 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:27
Re: More Sand 735 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 14:41
Re: More Sand 761 DUNE 16-Dec-16 15:38
Re: More Sand 719 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 17:02
Re: More Sand 856 DUNE 16-Dec-16 17:15
Re: More Sand 777 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:12
Re: More Sand 725 DUNE 16-Dec-16 20:04
Re: More Sand 808 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 17:01
Re: More Sand 662 Jon Ellison 15-Dec-16 17:33
Chisel Marks Suggest..... 771 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 790 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 717 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 724 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
Re: More Sand 739 Jon Ellison 14-Dec-16 11:43
Popular Posters 886 loveritas 14-Dec-16 10:57
Re: Popular Posters 894 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 741 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
Presumption Correction 882 loveritas 13-Dec-16 06:35
Re: Presumption Correction 840 Audrey 13-Dec-16 06:38
Re: More Sand 828 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 07:17
Re: More Sand 770 cladking 13-Dec-16 14:46
Re: More Sand 810 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 18:07
Re: More Sand 718 Thanos5150 13-Dec-16 19:07
Re: More Sand 840 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:19
Re: More Sand 790 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 02:34
Re: More Sand 830 cladking 14-Dec-16 03:41
Re: More Sand 763 Thanos5150 15-Dec-16 17:39
Re: More Sand 803 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:16
Re: More Sand 723 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 783 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 823 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 781 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 889 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 805 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 668 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 715 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 695 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 00:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 801 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 747 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 767 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 1042 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 810 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 Thanos5150 14-Dec-16 19:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 774 M. J. Thomas 12-Dec-16 11:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 784 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 17:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 791 M. J. Thomas 13-Dec-16 01:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 756 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 965 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 18:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 738 Jon Ellison 13-Dec-16 18:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 795 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 763 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 751 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 727 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 760 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 838 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
Re: Houdin's most critical error 766 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 18:52
Re: Houdin's most critical error 832 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
Re: Houdin's most critical error 733 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 21:07
the $64,000.00 Question 806 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:35
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 697 DScribr 16-Dec-16 21:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 739 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 804 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:23
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 726 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question 747 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 723 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 11:24
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 777 DUNE 18-Dec-16 12:14
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 717 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 794 DUNE 18-Dec-16 17:51
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 678 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 642 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 19:41
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 685 DUNE 19-Dec-16 21:29
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 612 Jon Ellison 19-Dec-16 22:47
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 715 DUNE 19-Dec-16 23:21
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 651 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 714 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 665 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
Where are the Taxonomies? 714 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 733 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 663 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 714 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 744 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 727 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 591 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 727 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 716 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 732 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 681 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 726 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 627 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 738 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 766 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 671 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 664 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 672 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 709 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 682 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 700 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 677 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 663 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 628 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 614 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 728 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 680 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 660 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 596 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
Re: In A Cemetery 658 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:11
Re: In A Cemetery 651 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 647 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 666 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 728 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 643 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 643 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 625 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 703 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 640 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 685 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 640 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 544 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 711 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 588 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 725 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 721 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 741 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 726 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 690 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 711 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 689 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 721 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 711 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 786 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 815 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 681 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 599 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 630 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 763 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 747 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 678 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 786 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 651 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 701 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 682 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 702 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 469 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 607 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 741 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 823 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 676 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 753 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 772 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 810 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 764 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 732 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 740 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 702 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 723 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 871 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 683 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 576 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 677 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 755 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 705 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 714 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 738 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 734 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 724 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 694 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 670 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 905 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 751 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
Re: G3 Exposed 688 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:15
Re: G3 Exposed 984 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 773 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 697 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 686 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 927 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 730 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 767 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 743 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 998 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 765 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 674 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 676 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 698 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 659 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 696 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 727 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 708 Warwick 12-Dec-16 19:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 656 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 711 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 678 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 677 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 712 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 721 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 670 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 727 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 666 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 715 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 717 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 718 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 730 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 611 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 709 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 751 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 695 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 707 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 644 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 718 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 657 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 679 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 672 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 761 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 621 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
Re: correction 686 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 19:49
Re: correction 655 Warwick 16-Dec-16 20:05
Re: correction 641 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 20:27
Re: correction 644 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:10
Re: correction 648 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:50
NONE 556 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 669 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 671 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
Re: correction 679 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 16:20
Re: correction 613 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
Re: correction 676 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 21:00
Re: correction 695 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 06:43
Re: correction 641 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 07:43
Re: correction 630 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 10:44
Re: correction 613 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 12:06
Re: correction 636 cladking 23-Dec-16 14:26
Re: correction 656 eyeofhorus33 23-Dec-16 15:41
Re: correction 684 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:13
Re: correction 586 Origyptian 23-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 564 cladking 23-Dec-16 17:31
Re: correction 676 Thanos5150 23-Dec-16 17:39
Re: correction 665 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 08:13
Re: correction 642 cladking 24-Dec-16 15:18
Re: correction 786 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 642 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 619 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 612 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 687 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 802 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 660 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 774 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 766 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 739 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 869 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 631 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 647 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 644 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 616 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 627 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 763 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 641 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 826 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 667 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 675 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 620 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 578 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 605 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 694 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 648 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 691 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 687 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 715 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 699 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 632 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 736 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 600 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 619 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 683 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 636 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 635 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 718 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 541 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 665 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 625 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 605 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 579 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 648 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 648 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 608 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 657 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 600 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 594 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 694 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 482 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 671 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 700 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 647 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 715 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 587 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 631 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 618 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 708 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 653 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 737 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 712 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 689 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 549 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 666 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 578 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 797 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 652 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 633 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 690 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 809 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 701 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 678 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 679 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 688 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 740 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 654 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 760 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 781 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 719 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 744 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 705 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 718 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 600 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 691 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 728 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 704 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 730 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 716 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 775 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 713 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 750 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 783 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 662 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 608 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 532 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 541 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 452 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 527 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 583 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 456 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 442 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 453 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 539 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 467 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 544 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 470 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 468 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 428 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 438 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 452 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 476 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 466 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 453 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 517 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 421 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 473 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 462 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 445 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 488 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 507 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 484 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 462 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 517 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 497 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 459 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 495 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 517 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 533 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 506 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 439 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 462 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 467 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 429 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 482 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 499 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 451 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 466 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 520 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 493 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 454 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 507 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 509 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 506 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 493 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 455 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 500 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 506 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 456 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 464 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 531 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 482 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 426 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 467 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 503 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 525 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 460 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 492 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 484 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 474 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 483 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 593 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 539 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 476 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 495 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 566 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 539 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 479 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 515 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 510 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 470 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 511 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 458 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 433 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 489 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 495 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 429 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 437 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 525 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 552 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 518 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 469 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 496 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 538 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 555 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 420 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 450 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 460 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 516 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 453 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 464 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 498 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 527 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 597 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 454 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 481 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 478 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 494 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 567 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 465 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 433 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 449 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 455 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 493 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 454 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 456 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 540 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 514 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 463 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 492 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 486 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 558 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 472 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 491 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 460 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 437 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 456 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 444 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 453 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 464 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 524 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 418 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 447 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 443 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 421 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 416 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 477 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58