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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...
> > As far as whether or not it is a building, WTF
> am I doing here?
> > ...
> > But this is not a building to some of you:

> > ...
> > There is no source on the planet that does not
> > recognize the serekh palace facade building or
> the
> > PF building found on sarcophagi and tombs as
> > buildings. It is part and parcel of DE culture
> for
> > 3,000yrs. To suggest otherwise is not just a
> > non-starter, but a disqualifier.
>
> To me, the issue in this discussion isn't a
> question of whether this or that ancient
> architectural artifact has a design that resembles
> the palace facade on the serekh. The issue is
> whether the building design or the design on the
> serekh came first.
>
> Has it been deterimned that the pattern on the
> building preceeded the pattern on the serekh? In
> other words, how do we know that the culture that
> built those earliest examples of the palace facade
> into their architecture weren't simply mimicing
> the design in the serekh (e.g., created by a
> previous culture) rather than vice versa? It's an
> issue of whether the serekh design was created
> before or after the architectural design.
>
> Does the earliest example of a palace facade
> aritecture precede the earliest example of the
> palace facade on a serekh?

Origyptian


Jeepers creepers!

Now you might think this is sycophantic ... or is it 'chest bashing'.... you call it?

However Thanos having already made exasperated comment above in bold WTF!? .....
In an attempt to save Thanos the embarrassment of having to be reduced to making a personal assertion/claim on largely his own work or representation, and despite that you ignore me generally (no problem there) ....I will try as politely as possible

Firstly, I asked a somewhat similar type question of Thanos some long long 5yrs? ago.

From very distant memory
Q (Something naïve like) "Thanos5150... great work yada yada... I am wondering if there is a specific building in Mesopotamia that the style is based on?
Answer: (Something like:) ....not one specific first building identified as still extant, but it singular may have existed. However there are rather many of them, both in ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt that conform to the general style.

Now for an analogy to see if this gets through?:


Are you familiar with British Royal Coat of Arms ? Here

Now the British Lion has been there for nearly a thousand years but with many variations etc

Denotes a royal personage (analogy serekh)

Now pretend that for a thousand years instead of Lion etc that Buckingham palace façade was always on the CoA (analogy Palace façade)



Then not only that but it is discovered that back in ancient Gaul / Normandy (France) before Norman invasion their kings also had a crest with similar looking façade.




What do you reckon? Would they make the symbolic identifying crest Coat of Arms, out of a dreamt up, yet to be made imaginary building, or would the building in some form have been built or likely come first?

Try to run that through the super logical think tank!

What you are likely asking though is has one or the other extant examples of either been found and dated dated as original and first?
Well unless you have had a major change of perception or brain transplant recently, you almost invariably habitually doubt or dispute virtually any or most dating offered by any professional Archaeologist's or Egyptologist's anyway !

Or you might be alluding perhaps to this phenomena had nothing to do with either very ancient Mesopotamian or Egyptian cultures but belongs to a non attested unrelated "other" culture. This you will have to produce the evidence for yourself. Suggest start looking and digging at GT or Turkey!

Now has that 'new brain' clicked into gear yet?..... and realised you are posting in the wrong thread?

Whilst I'm at it

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Origyptian from Mastaba thread
An adequate hypothesis for the initial use (Dyn 0 & 1) of the serekh needs to explain not only the inclusion of Horus, but also entire enclosure complete with couryard, the uraeus in the courtyard, and the use of a place facade to represent the enclosed building rather than a better depiction of the actual structure at that end of the enclosure. From what I can tell, the earliest architectural examples of the palace facade is a very simple pleating of an enclosure wall, so why make the enclosure wall a straight line in the serekh rather than a rippled line indicating the pleating? Why focus on the engineering aspects of the surrounding wall rather than a more "meaningful" architectural feature of the building within that enclosure -- have any Dynasty 0 or Dynasty 1 buildings themselves (not the pleated enclosure wall) been found with a palace facade design

It appears to me that you somewhat misunderstand what you are looking at. in reference to Djet serekh

The façade part is not plan view it is elevation view (façade) the glyph you refer to as "uraeus" is simply Djet Horus name . It is fair to think the "courtyard" is plan view and enclosure wall , as some describe it like that but it is the outline forming a place that later serekhs included the glyph spelling of Kings Horus name were enclosed /written (previously outside or alongside. It also forms a perch for the almighty perhaps celestial symbol of royal power /God affiliated sanction the Horus falcon. Seen also in Mesopotamian art iconery symbols all over in somewhat different form.


Ok at least if I have made mistakes, I feel maybe if I ask nicely, Thanos will correct me. But my guess ....don't count on it.

I hope that helps the nagging dilemma?
Cheers

Edit PS: Now if you are thinking of a nah nah 'come back' something like.... there are no Lions in Britain or definitely no unicorns in Scotland! Then..... do you think they could have made a wild guess and dreamt up what a big cat might look like sight unseen and struck it lucky and it turned out consistent or they later bred or imported them , or that mythical unicorns were not already folklore before it made the Scottish Royal CoA?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05-Apr-18 07:24 by Corpuscles.

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Re: correction 538 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 501 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 467 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 500 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 578 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 485 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 586 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 556 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 584 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 584 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 518 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 618 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 486 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 499 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 548 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 524 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 520 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 594 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 420 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 554 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 519 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 494 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 458 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 533 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 524 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 494 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 541 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 473 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 484 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 552 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 363 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 532 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 586 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 538 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 589 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 467 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 509 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 507 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 570 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 549 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 585 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 581 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 559 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 441 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 551 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 456 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 562 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 536 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 507 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 581 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 690 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 572 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 568 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 563 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 573 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 601 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 519 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 613 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 670 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 598 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 610 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 590 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 589 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 486 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 577 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 602 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 585 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 608 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 603 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 658 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 607 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 641 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 660 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 542 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 485 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 409 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 333 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 457 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 333 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 422 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 401 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 333 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 335 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 324 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 405 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 309 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 325 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 387 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 382 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 312 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 356 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 346 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 311 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 366 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 389 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 385 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 355 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 342 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 468 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 440 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 409 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 395 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 401 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 308 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 393 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 331 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 343 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 362 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 340 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 363 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 353 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 444 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 350 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 321 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 335 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 328 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 322 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 330 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 341 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 422 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 397 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 341 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 373 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 373 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 430 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 341 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 345 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 347 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 347 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 345 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 387 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 314 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 321 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 306 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 298 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 341 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 289 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 303 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 350