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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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>
> > Thanks. Now I think I see your point. The
> > disconnect I see is that a "step" pyramid doesn't
> > require a central "core tower" structure and vice
> > versa. Djoser is a step but not a core tower
> > pyramid.
>
> The long standing idea is that Djoser's pyramid
> began as a mastaba and was enlarged and made into
> a stepped pyramid then enlarged again.
>
> Looking at this model, if you remove the dotted
> accretion layer lines from above the mastaba
> within the first pyrmaid phase it is easy to see a
> structure eerily similar to what is found at
> Meidum. I assume this model was made by Lauer, but
> looking at the models made there are assumptions
> made based on the accretion layer model, yet at
> the center of these is a tower in which the layers
> are placed against. How are we to know the mastaba
> was not raised as tall as it practically could be,
> a tower, then the steps added around the structure
> like Meidum? Has it ever been verified the first
> pyrmaid was not actually a tower or is this just
> assumed? And these steps don't exactly inspire
> structural confidence that it was actually built
> step upon step as it is clearly separated from the
> layer behind it in some places.../images/pyr05.gif[/img]

I hear you, but that's speculation, not physical evidence of the core tower principle. If that mastaba was first built into its own step pyramid, that still doesn't provide for a central "core tower". As I said, the fact that some pyramids are still standing relatively intact might be an indication that they were NOT of the "core tower" design. At least not like Meidum with its failed outer skin(s).


> > That satellite strikes me as a two or
> > three step pyramid but not a core tower structure,
> > and the other satellites show less hint of a core
> > tower design, despite their state of disrepair.
>
>
> I see a tower with a step built around it. Meidum bears this out...

Again, you're exrapolating from Meidum to the satellite and haven't shown that the upper walls of the satellite extend down into the step such that the step is a separate skin added onto a central core tower. Otherwise, that upper structure might simply be the middle step of a three step pyramid, the blocks of the top step being severely eroded and/or pilfered.


>
> > A central core tower requires a 'seed within the
> > fruit' perimeter which have not been identifed in
> > all OK pyramids (afaik).
>
> Please clarify.

As I said, the "core tower" model requires that the courses of an independent inner tower were first constructed and then subsequently added onto by applying one or more outer skins onto the existing inner tower structure. For that to be proven as fact it must first be verified that the outer walls of the inner tower structure continue down into the depths of the courses of the outer layer(s) that was added on afterwards such that the outer walls could slough off as we see at Meidum. Ergo "pit within the fruit", "skins of a square onion", etc.


> > You say that all of the major pyramids with the
> > internals sufficiently exposed show a central core
> > tower design.
> > I think it's interesting that not
> > all OK pyramids' outer skins have collapsed, so
> > perhaps the remaining pyramids that have not
> > collapsed or degraded to reveal such internal core
> > tower construction are still standing relatively
> > intact because the builders opted
> > for a strictly horizontal, and not core tower,
> > design for those pyramids?
>
> Possible, however, it does in fact appear G3 was
> built around a tower core. I think it is more
> likely the pyramids of Dahshur and Giza are just
> better made. If the Arabs didn't make the gash we
> wouldn't know what the core was of G3.

It's difficult to assess from the photo you posted since the viewpoint seems to indicate more than one "step" was revealed by that gash. It's not clear to me that what's exposed is a single vertical wall. What I'm seeing in the lower aspect of that gash is a step protruding out from the upper vertical wall. But maybe not. Do you know of any other photos that might reveal the contours of that exposed gash in comparative detail, perhaps from a slightly different viewpoint?


> > And to be clear, I have no vested interest in
> > whether any or all of them have the core tower
> > design. In fact, such a design better supports
> > adaption which I do strongly support, based on the
> > physical evidence. It's just that I don't see the
> > data as compelling for the core tower design being
> > as widespread as you're suggesting.
>
> Whether one wants to call them "stepped cores" or
> "tower cores", as I have shown in pictures, and
> Rigano verifies, what we have is every pyramid
> that is exposed and not a pile of rubble has a
> tower/stepped core.

I'm not as optimistic; I still see a lot of extrapolation and assumptions being made; it's not all based on direct definitive observations of the physical evidence in each pyramid.


> > But assuming for the moment that most, if not all,
> > of them do indeed have the core tower feature,
> > what do you make of that? What are the
> > implications to you if that were true?
>
> As I have argued it raises the possibility some of
> these cores were made as stand alone structures
> and later converted to pyramids. Maybe many were
> originally made this way and later converted. The
> core at Meidum says to me it was made that way as
> a finished product and at some point later
> converted to a pyramid. This is obviously the best
> example. Petrie believed the pyramid layer of G3
> was built over a pre-existing structure, which
> appears to be a tower core, that I have tried to
> bolster this case. The pyramids of Egypt aren't
> just building shapes, they are an ideology which
> at some point it is clear this ideology changed
> from one to the other. Maybe they first started
> building towers which when this ideology changed
> they converted them to pyramids and built new ones
> around this model.

Sorry to belabor the point, but the G3 gash seems ambiguous (to me at least so far) and could be showing a couple of inner steps rather than a single vertical core. In that case, the outer pyramid skin might have been added onto the step format as a final stage of contemporaneous (original) construction and not necessarily by an adaption (or even adoption) culture. In that regard, I think it's possible that Meidum either was a prototype experiment that failed, or that it was originally intended to be a tower structure but a more techincally naive adaption culture came along later and tried to turn it into a true pyramid, and obviously failed. I also think it's possible that the Step 'mid may be an incomplete project, or perhaps was a prototype of what was then a new "step" design that might never have been intended to be a true pyramid with flat outer faces.

In any case, from a structural engineering standoint, the key to making Meidum retain a true pyramid structure would have been to rework the surface of the inner core tower to create recesses in the outerwalls that could receive blocks from the subsequently applied outers skin as a method to interlock that outerskin with the tower in order to create structural stability. Any structural engineer who knows about mudslides and the general principle of coefficient of friction and slippage knows the importance of anchoring an outer structure to the inner substructure. Those rough intermittent horizontal bands on Meidum might have been a naive attempt by later engineers to create anchors for the E3 and E3 layers, but that obviously wasn't sufficient to maintain the integrity of the structure.

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Pyramid Construction 6403 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 06:05
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 816 M. J. Thomas 11-Dec-16 11:10
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 772 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction & Grand Gallery 714 cladking 11-Dec-16 19:03
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Re: Pyramid Construction 641 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 18:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 604 Lee McGiffen 16-Dec-16 10:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 564 DUNE 16-Dec-16 12:08
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Re: Pyramid Construction 635 cladking 11-Dec-16 14:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 563 Thanos5150 11-Dec-16 17:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 586 sfbey 11-Dec-16 17:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 602 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 451 Warwick 11-Dec-16 21:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 645 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 524 Warwick 11-Dec-16 20:56
Block Construction 563 DScribr 11-Dec-16 21:23
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Re: Block Construction 537 DScribr 11-Dec-16 22:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 604 loveritas 11-Dec-16 22:16
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Re: Pyramid Construction 570 loveritas 12-Dec-16 01:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 581 DScribr 12-Dec-16 14:31
More Sand 586 loveritas 12-Dec-16 22:11
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Chisel Marks Suggest..... 522 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:20
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 577 Origyptian 15-Dec-16 15:41
Re: Chisel Marks Suggest..... 507 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:49
Re: More Sand 502 Audrey 16-Dec-16 06:17
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Re: Popular Posters 652 M. J. Thomas 14-Dec-16 13:52
Re: Popular Posters 536 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:18
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Re: More Sand 528 Audrey 14-Dec-16 03:31
GOT Sand??? 580 DScribr 14-Dec-16 04:06
Re: GOT Sand??? 568 Audrey 14-Dec-16 04:36
Re: GOT brains??? 567 DScribr 14-Dec-16 15:16
Re: GOT Sand??? 638 cladking 14-Dec-16 04:51
Who Ya' Gonna Call? 590 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:51
Re: More Sand 469 loveritas 13-Dec-16 01:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 514 Steve Clayton 11-Dec-16 23:36
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Re: Pyramid Construction 581 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:03
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Re: Pyramid Construction 723 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 567 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:30
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Re: Pyramid Construction 587 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 566 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 23:22
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Re: Pyramid Construction 526 Sirius7237 13-Dec-16 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 550 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 17:31
Houdin's most critical error 610 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:17
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Re: Houdin's most critical error 587 Warwick 14-Dec-16 19:14
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Re: the $64,000.00 Question 548 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:03
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Re: the $64,000.00 Question 543 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 23:07
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Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 520 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 17:05
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Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 485 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:47
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Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 458 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:56
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 530 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 14:53
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 473 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:17
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Re: Where are the Taxonomies? 506 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:33
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 463 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 16:26
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 508 cladking 18-Dec-16 16:43
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 502 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:58
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 511 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 16:44
Re: the $64,000.00 Question . . . PLUS 398 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 17:33
In A Cemetery 498 DScribr 18-Dec-16 20:06
Re: In A Cemetery 498 cladking 18-Dec-16 20:11
Re: In A Cemetery 487 DScribr 18-Dec-16 22:59
Re: In A Cemetery 489 cladking 19-Dec-16 00:52
Re: In A Cemetery 505 DScribr 19-Dec-16 01:32
Re: In A Cemetery 414 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 01:52
Re: In A Cemetery 518 DScribr 19-Dec-16 03:54
Re: In A Cemetery 563 Thanos5150 19-Dec-16 04:44
Re: In A Cemetery 467 M. J. Thomas 19-Dec-16 17:53
Re: In A Cemetery 470 cladking 19-Dec-16 17:59
Re: In A Cemetery 479 Origyptian 19-Dec-16 18:13
Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 489 DScribr 20-Dec-16 03:50
Re: Yes, Buried In A Cemetery 489 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:34
Re: In A Cemetery 504 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:23
Re: In A Cemetery 460 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 11:28
Re: In A Cemetery 458 M. J. Thomas 20-Dec-16 11:52
Re: In A Cemetery 431 Corpuscles 20-Dec-16 11:58
Re: In A Cemetery 422 DUNE 20-Dec-16 15:06
Re: In A Cemetery 465 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 17:42
Re: In A Cemetery 498 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 15:49
Re: In A Cemetery 452 Jon Ellison 20-Dec-16 16:31
Re: In A Cemetery 411 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 16:49
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Re: In A Cemetery 453 cladking 20-Dec-16 19:46
Re: In A Cemetery 447 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 20:51
Re: In A Cemetery 467 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:56
Re: In A Cemetery 524 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:09
Re: In A Cemetery 451 Warwick 20-Dec-16 21:15
Re: In A Cemetery 436 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:42
Re: In A Cemetery 436 Warwick 21-Dec-16 23:01
Re: In A Cemetery 516 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:28
Re: In A Cemetery 432 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:07
Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 489 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 413 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
Re: He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 363 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:35
Re: In A Cemetery 525 Thanos5150 20-Dec-16 21:44
Re: In A Cemetery 389 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:13
Re: In A Cemetery 502 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 00:02
Re: In A Cemetery 503 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 01:24
Re: In A Cemetery 520 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
Re: In A Cemetery 527 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 480 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
Re: In A Cemetery 520 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 03:15
Re: In A Cemetery 489 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 517 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
sidebar 513 Warwick 21-Dec-16 21:16
Re: In A Cemetery 579 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:01
Re: In A Cemetery 542 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 07:16
Re: In A Cemetery 491 Corpuscles 21-Dec-16 12:00
Re: In A Cemetery 406 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 13:39
Re: In A Cemetery 431 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
Re: In A Cemetery 554 DUNE 21-Dec-16 15:55
Re: In A Cemetery 523 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
Re: In A Cemetery 482 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 22:33
Re: In A Cemetery 587 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 22:02
Re: In A Cemetery 476 Warwick 21-Dec-16 22:11
Re: In A Cemetery 483 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:49
Re: In A Cemetery 482 M. J. Thomas 21-Dec-16 06:02
Re: In A Cemetery 491 cladking 21-Dec-16 14:44
Re: In A Cemetery 253 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
Re: In A Cemetery 398 DScribr 19-Dec-16 23:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 552 Sirius7237 14-Dec-16 23:27
Re: Pyramid Construction 599 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 477 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 03:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 546 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 561 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 15:35
Animal Fat for Lube?!? 543 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 520 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 527 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 503 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 533 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 679 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 477 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 382 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 487 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 538 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 521 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 cladking 12-Dec-16 15:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 525 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Sirius7237 12-Dec-16 05:57
Re: Pyramid Construction 505 cladking 12-Dec-16 02:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 490 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 01:26
Re: Accretion Layers 470 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 02:14
Re: G3 Exposed 622 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 03:53
Re: G3 Exposed 575 loveritas 12-Dec-16 04:44
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Re: G3 Exposed 690 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:39
Re: G3 Exposed 567 loveritas 12-Dec-16 06:17
Re: G3 Exposed 466 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
Re: G3 Exposed 494 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:40
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 632 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 04:02
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 531 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:12
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 547 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 05:21
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 555 loveritas 12-Dec-16 05:38
Re: Detail of Queen's Pyramids 679 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 543 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 460 Thanos5150 12-Dec-16 16:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 486 DScribr 12-Dec-16 17:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 509 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 468 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
Re: Pyramid Construction 501 Warwick 12-Dec-16 18:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 536 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
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Re: Pyramid Construction 442 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 483 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 480 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 467 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 504 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 505 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 476 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 542 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 464 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 497 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 519 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 534 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 540 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 427 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 508 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 560 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 504 cladking 13-Dec-16 02:27
Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 511 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 448 Steve Clayton 14-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 498 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 471 Warwick 14-Dec-16 20:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 484 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 483 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 561 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 392 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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NONE 344 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
Re: correction 457 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:53
Re: 21st Century Westerner v 4th Dyn. Ancient Egyptian 469 M. J. Thomas 18-Dec-16 23:28
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Re: correction 419 DocKnowles 22-Dec-16 20:22
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Re: correction 487 eyeofhorus33 24-Dec-16 16:49
Re: correction 425 cladking 24-Dec-16 17:24
Re: correction 423 Thanos5150 24-Dec-16 16:52
Re: correction 400 Origyptian 24-Dec-16 18:12
Re: correction 485 Martin Stower 24-Dec-16 23:42
Re: correction 486 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 00:51
Re: correction 466 Thanos5150 25-Dec-16 01:03
Re: correction 584 DUNE 27-Dec-16 18:09
Re: correction 562 DUNE 30-Dec-16 21:16
Re: correction 513 Thanos5150 30-Dec-16 23:58
Re: correction 662 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-16 07:38
Re: correction 428 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 14:44
Re: correction 407 DocKnowles 23-Dec-16 20:39
Re: correction 427 Martin Stower 23-Dec-16 22:02
Re: correction 434 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 21:42
Re: correction 423 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 22:24
Re: correction 582 Origyptian 16-Dec-16 22:38
Re: correction 461 Jon Ellison 16-Dec-16 23:00
Re: correction 580 Thanos5150 16-Dec-16 23:32
Re: correction 444 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 00:46
Re: correction 464 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 05:28
Re: correction 419 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 06:02
Re: correction 374 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:31
Re: correction 423 Audrey 17-Dec-16 07:07
Re: correction 502 DUNE 17-Dec-16 11:16
Re: correction 413 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:39
Re: correction 501 DUNE 17-Dec-16 16:48
Re: correction 478 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 17:00
Block Removal 488 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
Re: correction 498 Jon Ellison 17-Dec-16 12:36
Re: correction 428 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 15:08
Re: correction 509 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 13:56
Egypto-illogic. 390 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 429 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 465 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 454 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 432 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 490 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
Re: correction 344 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 466 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 439 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 422 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 384 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 419 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 435 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 404 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 463 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 388 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 415 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 472 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 288 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 443 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 502 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 451 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 491 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 374 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 429 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 427 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 477 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 443 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 479 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 494 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 461 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 370 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 471 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 382 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 478 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 453 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 427 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 500 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 604 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 490 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 490 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 483 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 479 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 520 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 411 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 509 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 553 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 495 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 522 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 499 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 496 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 412 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 507 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 526 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 508 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 514 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 527 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 563 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 536 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 569 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 580 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 318 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 304 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 307 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 312 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 256 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 248 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 323 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 256 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 235 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 262 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 233 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 290 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 236 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 257 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 294 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 298 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 296 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 298 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 240 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 261 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 254 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 242 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 269 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 277 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 301 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 280 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 293 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 286 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 283 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 271 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 248 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 285 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 286 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 256 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 260 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 286 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 282 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 307 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 271 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 238 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 240 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 242 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 314 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 288 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 296 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 300 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 251 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 273 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 295 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 262 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 257 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 292 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 264 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 354 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 265 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 248 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 274 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 255 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 252 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 238 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 273 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 271 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 268 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 288 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 306 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 330 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 268 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 259 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 251 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 247 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 264 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 255 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 271 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 266 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 300 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 228 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 252 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 224 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 232 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 221 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 261 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 217 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions