> Origyptian Wrote:
> > I really don't think dead lifting is a rational
> > explanation. I think the most credible method is
> > that they used water in conjunction with a
> > counterweight system such as the funicular which
> > is why I like your system. I admit, though, that I
> > don't accept the traditional timeline. I don't see
> > any evidence that the Dynastics had the
> > wherewithall to achieve that kind of work. As I've
> > said many times, I think it's very likely that the
> > Dynastic culture with its funerary context was
> > layered over structures that were already ancient
> > by the 3rd millennium BC.
> But using ropes and timbers are congruent with a
> time frame of 2500 b.c. They are the methods,
> tools and equipment the AE of that time would have.
> If you believe, as I do, that the time frame is
> way off, then ropes and timbers are not the
> obvious method of construction. In fact, they
> would be incongruent with an older construction
> time because we do not know what an older culture
> would have developed. And judging by the
> stonework, they had much more sophisticated
> methods than rope and timber.
> Besides, ropes and wood frames are not going to
> life the 50+ ton stones. Neither will a geyser.
> And how much water would be needed to float a 50+
> ton stone? How large would the raft have to be to
> hold such tonnage?
> Funiculars do not answer the problem of the moving
> the larger stones into place. They had the
> equipment to make extraordinary stone cuts but
> used basic primitive ropes and timbers? This is a
> contradiction not only in skill, but also in
> method and equipment.
> And there is nothing to show they had pulleys. I
> should believe they had pulleys but not the wheel?
> A pulley goes round and round. Oh damn it, the
> pulley came off and look at it roll across the
> stones. Gee, wonder if we could use that rolling
> thing in other ways. They didn't think of that!
> Not very observant, were they?
I agree with everything you said. I am not convinced that those pyramids were built with the main tools being wood, rope, and copper. When I referred to "the most credible method", I was only considering the scenario of the traditional timeline. In other words, if we are talking about the best chance of achieving such a thing during the Dynastic period, then using a funicular system seems the most rational proposal as opposed to long, massive construction ramps or dead lifting, e.g., using wooden cranes. But no matter what's proposed using the technology thought to be available during the Dynastic period, it's by no means sufficient.
So I completely agree that such a counterbalance system does not address the entire challenge. It doesn't address the method of quarrying, shaping, transporting, lifting, and precision positioning slabs of solid granite up to 80 tons from Aswan. It doesn't address the complex block shapes in the Ascending Passage. It doesn't address why there is essentially zero physical evidence that such work was done within the traditional timeline. It doesn't address a lot of challenges that remain unreconciled. This is why I'm on record for years suggesting what I consider to be the far more likely possibility that those monuments are far older than the Dynastic period and are the result of technologies used so long ago that subsequent cultures have had time to experience technological amnesia and, instead, have invented the funerary context as a means to explain what, to them, was otherwise inexplicable.
And regarding the "wheel", they had the potters wheel but not a pulley and wheeled vehicle? And it took them 1000 years to evolve that potters wheel from being hand driven to being foot driven? No inscription or painting of any pulleys or wheeled vehicles?
In addition, no tombs with any presence of the tools or methods, or any inscriptions or graphics of anything remotely hinting of any credible details about the construction of those pyramids? Nothing in any historic document or tomb in any surrounding culture, or among the millions of merchants, travelers, tourist, etc., who might have witnessed such massive, high technology projects openly visible from the Nile during those centuries when those pyramids were allegedly constructed? Not any hint of any details about such activity within the tomb of any pharaoh, designer, architect, project managers, mason, quarryman, etc., to represent their skills and accomplishments in their audition to the afterlife?
In my opinion, all of that strongly supports the notion that the Dynastics had very limited engineering acumen.
H.G. Wells' Eloi come to mind.
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03-Mar-18 13:50 by Origyptian.