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Author: Sirius7237 ()

Thanks for the update, Steve. God I hate the word debunked. I wonder if you are throwing out the entire theory based on one aspect of the visual? At any rate, I was only suggesting Houdin as an example of how a theory for making the GG and functional rather than esthetic feature might work.

It has honestly been so long since I watched that presentation that I have forgotten many of the details. Here is a brief clip of his proposed GG function for anyone else that has forgotten:

[youtu.be]

Here is a brief article from Archaeology as well:

[archive.archaeology.org]

It seems to me there are some features that suggest Houdin may have been at least partly right but such as the gravimetry print and some features of the exposed corner but I'll defer to your explanation for the other features.

Thanks for the input.



Hi Sirius7237,

My remarks below are not aimed at you. Just part of the discussion, so hopefully others will understand.

[www.youtube.com]

In his video, the Grand Gallery was used with a large counterbalance. This counterbalance and it's ropes are used to pull stones up on an outside ramp.

Below his video, he claim:

"With my partner Dassault Systèmes, we carried lots of simulation regarding the counterweight system sliding in Grand Gallery. The whole mechanism was tested in all the situations and everything proved working fine. A virtual reality 3D animation was then done for a better understanding by the public."

He carried out lots of simulations regarding the counterweight system. The whole mechanism was tested...proved working fine....


OK, let's take look at those claims.

What is the definition a Counterbalance?
noun
1.
a weight balancing another weight; an equal weight, power, or influence acting in opposition; counterpoise.
verb (used with or without object), counterbalanced,counterbalancing.
2.
to act against or oppose with an equal weight, force, or influence;offset.


First, Google counterbalance, show yourself all the machines which takes advantage of a counterbalance. In the case of a forklift, it is counterbalanced in the back, with a rated weight, so it won't tip over. It's hydraulics that performs the lifting.

A counter balance is, as it says, simply in balance from an opposing force or weight of equal. So, how does that translate into any additional mechanical advantage? The fact that you attempt to use it, as some form of a mechanical advantage, is non existent. Once it is out of balance, by definition, it is no longer a counterbalance. When using it in relationship to ramps, (incline plains), it's the Incline Plain that is a "simple machine" , and gives you a mechanical advantage, and not the counterbalance.

You have two opposing weights. So, any effort to pull on one side, is a opposed by the weight on the other side, regardless of it's force or mass. That's the "counter" portion in the term counter - balance. It's countered.

Here is another way of looking at it. What happens if you remove the weight from one side? Does it conveniently float in space, while you attempt to replace ropes or weight on the opposite side? No, it immediately pulls or drops. Does this happen with all degrees of weight? As in, 1 ton vs 80 tons? The answer is yes. So then, how can Houdin derive any mechanical advantage in using it to pull stones up a ramp? Instead of a scale (counterbalance) with two equal platforms, you can use ropes to "offset" the "distance apart" of two opposing weights. That's all you can do, change the distance. Now then, if you can hold down those ropes and/or lockup the stone inside (60 - 80 tons of pulling force) you could attach a stone outside on a ramp of equal or less weight. If the ramps and weight were equal, you go nowhere, because you are in balance. If the ramp on the outside is less of an angle, you now begin to gain a mechanical advantage, as well as, loss height and/or increase the ramps length. So then, a counterbalance offers you NO mechanical advantage. it's the Incline (ramp) Plain, that does.

Houdin inside the Grand Gallery, has a weight which is larger than the stone he intends to pull up on an outside ramp, into a higher position. To reset that weight, requires all those men in his video, to pull back up the heavier weight found inside the Grand Gallery. Well, if that's the case, go pull up the lighter stone and forget about the big stone inside, as it affords you no extra advantage. Additionally, GG is only 140 feet long, and the stone he uses looks to be like the ones used above the Kings chamber, 40 ft. long. So the longest pull could only be 100 feet. That means, his other ramp can only be 100 feet, unless you plan on doing a double pull/reset.. A double pull just adds to the dilemma.

"Lot's of simulations, working fine, whole mechanism tested"...

Why would anyone pull up a heavier stone, just so they could eventually, pull up a lighter stone?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14-Dec-16 18:35 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 489 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 413 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
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Enough et als to build a pyramid. 480 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
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Re: In A Cemetery 254 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
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Re: Pyramid Construction 603 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 528 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
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Animal Fat for Lube?!? 546 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 521 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 528 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 503 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 534 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 680 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 478 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 382 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 489 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 540 cladking 12-Dec-16 14:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 522 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 526 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 01:18
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Re: Pyramid Construction 468 cladking 12-Dec-16 18:32
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Re: Pyramid Construction 537 cladking 12-Dec-16 19:18
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Re: Pyramid Construction 443 cladking 12-Dec-16 20:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 484 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 481 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 469 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 505 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 523 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 507 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 477 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 543 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 466 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 499 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 520 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 535 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
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Re: Pyramid Construction 510 cladking 12-Dec-16 23:13
Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction 561 DScribr 13-Dec-16 01:06
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Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 512 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
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Re: Pyramid Construction 485 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 562 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 393 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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NONE 345 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
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Block Removal 489 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
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Egypto-illogic. 393 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 430 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 467 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 455 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 433 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 490 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
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Modern Gods! 384 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
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Re: correction 405 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 464 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 389 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 415 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 472 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 290 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 443 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 506 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 452 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 491 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 374 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 430 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 429 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 480 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 446 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 479 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 495 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 462 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 371 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 471 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 383 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 479 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 454 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 428 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 501 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 605 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 491 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 490 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 484 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 481 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 520 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 412 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 510 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 557 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 497 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 523 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 500 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 498 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 413 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 507 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 527 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 508 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 515 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 527 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 566 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 536 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 569 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 581 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 472 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 321 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 229 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 324 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 235 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 255 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 251 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 244 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 252 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 234 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 237 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 257 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 295 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 277 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 293 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 298 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 288 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 298 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 298 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 241 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 261 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 254 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 242 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 271 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 245 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 293 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 247 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 280 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 295 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 283 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 266 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 271 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 249 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 270 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 285 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 261 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 288 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 287 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 282 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 300 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 308 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 272 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 265 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 238 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 267 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 241 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 243 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 317 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 269 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 290 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 279 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 298 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 246 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 264 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 259 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 301 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 275 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 252 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 274 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 296 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 263 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 276 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 268 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 258 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 293 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 264 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 292 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 361 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 265 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 249 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 275 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 255 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 253 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 238 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 274 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 337 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 273 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 268 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 288 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 307 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 333 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 269 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 259 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 251 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 248 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 265 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 256 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 272 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 267 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 300 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 228 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 253 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 224 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 233 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 222 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 262 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 217 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 229 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 266 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 247 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions