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Author: Sirius7237 ()

Thanks for the update, Steve. God I hate the word debunked. I wonder if you are throwing out the entire theory based on one aspect of the visual? At any rate, I was only suggesting Houdin as an example of how a theory for making the GG and functional rather than esthetic feature might work.

It has honestly been so long since I watched that presentation that I have forgotten many of the details. Here is a brief clip of his proposed GG function for anyone else that has forgotten:

[youtu.be]

Here is a brief article from Archaeology as well:

[archive.archaeology.org]

It seems to me there are some features that suggest Houdin may have been at least partly right but such as the gravimetry print and some features of the exposed corner but I'll defer to your explanation for the other features.

Thanks for the input.



Hi Sirius7237,

My remarks below are not aimed at you. Just part of the discussion, so hopefully others will understand.

[www.youtube.com]

In his video, the Grand Gallery was used with a large counterbalance. This counterbalance and it's ropes are used to pull stones up on an outside ramp.

Below his video, he claim:

"With my partner Dassault Systèmes, we carried lots of simulation regarding the counterweight system sliding in Grand Gallery. The whole mechanism was tested in all the situations and everything proved working fine. A virtual reality 3D animation was then done for a better understanding by the public."

He carried out lots of simulations regarding the counterweight system. The whole mechanism was tested...proved working fine....


OK, let's take look at those claims.

What is the definition a Counterbalance?
noun
1.
a weight balancing another weight; an equal weight, power, or influence acting in opposition; counterpoise.
verb (used with or without object), counterbalanced,counterbalancing.
2.
to act against or oppose with an equal weight, force, or influence;offset.


First, Google counterbalance, show yourself all the machines which takes advantage of a counterbalance. In the case of a forklift, it is counterbalanced in the back, with a rated weight, so it won't tip over. It's hydraulics that performs the lifting.

A counter balance is, as it says, simply in balance from an opposing force or weight of equal. So, how does that translate into any additional mechanical advantage? The fact that you attempt to use it, as some form of a mechanical advantage, is non existent. Once it is out of balance, by definition, it is no longer a counterbalance. When using it in relationship to ramps, (incline plains), it's the Incline Plain that is a "simple machine" , and gives you a mechanical advantage, and not the counterbalance.

You have two opposing weights. So, any effort to pull on one side, is a opposed by the weight on the other side, regardless of it's force or mass. That's the "counter" portion in the term counter - balance. It's countered.

Here is another way of looking at it. What happens if you remove the weight from one side? Does it conveniently float in space, while you attempt to replace ropes or weight on the opposite side? No, it immediately pulls or drops. Does this happen with all degrees of weight? As in, 1 ton vs 80 tons? The answer is yes. So then, how can Houdin derive any mechanical advantage in using it to pull stones up a ramp? Instead of a scale (counterbalance) with two equal platforms, you can use ropes to "offset" the "distance apart" of two opposing weights. That's all you can do, change the distance. Now then, if you can hold down those ropes and/or lockup the stone inside (60 - 80 tons of pulling force) you could attach a stone outside on a ramp of equal or less weight. If the ramps and weight were equal, you go nowhere, because you are in balance. If the ramp on the outside is less of an angle, you now begin to gain a mechanical advantage, as well as, loss height and/or increase the ramps length. So then, a counterbalance offers you NO mechanical advantage. it's the Incline (ramp) Plain, that does.

Houdin inside the Grand Gallery, has a weight which is larger than the stone he intends to pull up on an outside ramp, into a higher position. To reset that weight, requires all those men in his video, to pull back up the heavier weight found inside the Grand Gallery. Well, if that's the case, go pull up the lighter stone and forget about the big stone inside, as it affords you no extra advantage. Additionally, GG is only 140 feet long, and the stone he uses looks to be like the ones used above the Kings chamber, 40 ft. long. So the longest pull could only be 100 feet. That means, his other ramp can only be 100 feet, unless you plan on doing a double pull/reset.. A double pull just adds to the dilemma.

"Lot's of simulations, working fine, whole mechanism tested"...

Why would anyone pull up a heavier stone, just so they could eventually, pull up a lighter stone?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14-Dec-16 18:35 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 545 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 482 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
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Re: In A Cemetery 563 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 01:55
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Enough et als to build a pyramid. 534 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
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Re: In A Cemetery 536 Audrey 21-Dec-16 04:50
Re: In A Cemetery 558 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:02
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Re: In A Cemetery 482 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 13:54
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Re: In A Cemetery 311 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-18 20:42
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Re: Pyramid Construction 676 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 594 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
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Animal Fat for Lube?!? 601 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 589 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 568 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 560 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 572 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 719 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 524 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 433 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:56
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 530 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
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Re: Pyramid Construction 559 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 532 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 534 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
Re: Pyramid Construction 560 cladking 13-Dec-16 21:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 575 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 550 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 527 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 579 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 518 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 573 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 556 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 574 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
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Re: Mind-reading a means of Sentence (Re)Construction-Webster's is not...... 558 DScribr 13-Dec-16 03:36
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Re: Pyramid Construction 534 cladking 14-Dec-16 20:40
Re: Pyramid Construction 523 Audrey 15-Dec-16 01:39
Re: Pyramid Construction 611 cladking 15-Dec-16 01:48
correction 455 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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NONE 402 DScribr 16-Dec-16 22:59
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Block Removal 548 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:25
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Egypto-illogic. 447 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
Re: Egypto-illogic. 466 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 16:41
Ori-illogic. 516 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 493 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 487 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
Reality-what a concept 564 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:09
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Re: correction 462 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 428 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 496 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 495 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 452 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 505 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 431 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 455 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 518 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 334 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 498 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 549 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 507 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 557 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 430 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 477 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 475 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 534 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 512 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 553 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 549 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 519 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 408 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 512 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 423 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 525 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 498 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 479 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 544 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 652 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 538 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 532 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 527 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 541 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 566 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 489 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 579 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 638 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 546 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 575 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 555 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 554 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 454 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 543 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 568 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 552 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 574 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 575 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 618 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 573 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 612 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 626 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 515 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 452 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 302 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 372 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 356 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 419 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 321 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 316 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 301 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 285 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 302 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 321 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 309 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 312 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 298 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 289 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 298 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 293 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 300 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 290 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 274 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 320 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 312 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 296 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 315 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 341 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 312 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 350 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 351 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 278 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 314 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 311 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 279 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 331 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 310 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 288 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 315 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 308 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 351 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 334 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 291 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 327 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 320 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 333 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 308 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 311 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 318 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 312 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 314 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 285 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 303 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 300 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 431 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 375 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 336 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 332 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 405 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 352 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 305 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 283 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 279 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 278 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 358 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 319 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 317 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 328 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 286 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 299 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 302 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 348 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 302 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 311 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 306 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 327 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 427 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 297 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 331 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 325 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 339 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 416 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 316 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 288 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 306 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 299 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 289 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 288 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 310 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 392 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 308 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 346 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 344 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 401 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 308 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 310 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 307 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 293 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 316 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 294 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 315 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 312 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 359 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 285 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 292 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 281 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 274 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 264 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 315 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 262 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 275 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 319 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 284 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions