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Author: Sirius7237 ()

Thanks for the update, Steve. God I hate the word debunked. I wonder if you are throwing out the entire theory based on one aspect of the visual? At any rate, I was only suggesting Houdin as an example of how a theory for making the GG and functional rather than esthetic feature might work.

It has honestly been so long since I watched that presentation that I have forgotten many of the details. Here is a brief clip of his proposed GG function for anyone else that has forgotten:

[youtu.be]

Here is a brief article from Archaeology as well:

[archive.archaeology.org]

It seems to me there are some features that suggest Houdin may have been at least partly right but such as the gravimetry print and some features of the exposed corner but I'll defer to your explanation for the other features.

Thanks for the input.



Hi Sirius7237,

My remarks below are not aimed at you. Just part of the discussion, so hopefully others will understand.

[www.youtube.com]

In his video, the Grand Gallery was used with a large counterbalance. This counterbalance and it's ropes are used to pull stones up on an outside ramp.

Below his video, he claim:

"With my partner Dassault Systèmes, we carried lots of simulation regarding the counterweight system sliding in Grand Gallery. The whole mechanism was tested in all the situations and everything proved working fine. A virtual reality 3D animation was then done for a better understanding by the public."

He carried out lots of simulations regarding the counterweight system. The whole mechanism was tested...proved working fine....


OK, let's take look at those claims.

What is the definition a Counterbalance?
noun
1.
a weight balancing another weight; an equal weight, power, or influence acting in opposition; counterpoise.
verb (used with or without object), counterbalanced,counterbalancing.
2.
to act against or oppose with an equal weight, force, or influence;offset.


First, Google counterbalance, show yourself all the machines which takes advantage of a counterbalance. In the case of a forklift, it is counterbalanced in the back, with a rated weight, so it won't tip over. It's hydraulics that performs the lifting.

A counter balance is, as it says, simply in balance from an opposing force or weight of equal. So, how does that translate into any additional mechanical advantage? The fact that you attempt to use it, as some form of a mechanical advantage, is non existent. Once it is out of balance, by definition, it is no longer a counterbalance. When using it in relationship to ramps, (incline plains), it's the Incline Plain that is a "simple machine" , and gives you a mechanical advantage, and not the counterbalance.

You have two opposing weights. So, any effort to pull on one side, is a opposed by the weight on the other side, regardless of it's force or mass. That's the "counter" portion in the term counter - balance. It's countered.

Here is another way of looking at it. What happens if you remove the weight from one side? Does it conveniently float in space, while you attempt to replace ropes or weight on the opposite side? No, it immediately pulls or drops. Does this happen with all degrees of weight? As in, 1 ton vs 80 tons? The answer is yes. So then, how can Houdin derive any mechanical advantage in using it to pull stones up a ramp? Instead of a scale (counterbalance) with two equal platforms, you can use ropes to "offset" the "distance apart" of two opposing weights. That's all you can do, change the distance. Now then, if you can hold down those ropes and/or lockup the stone inside (60 - 80 tons of pulling force) you could attach a stone outside on a ramp of equal or less weight. If the ramps and weight were equal, you go nowhere, because you are in balance. If the ramp on the outside is less of an angle, you now begin to gain a mechanical advantage, as well as, loss height and/or increase the ramps length. So then, a counterbalance offers you NO mechanical advantage. it's the Incline (ramp) Plain, that does.

Houdin inside the Grand Gallery, has a weight which is larger than the stone he intends to pull up on an outside ramp, into a higher position. To reset that weight, requires all those men in his video, to pull back up the heavier weight found inside the Grand Gallery. Well, if that's the case, go pull up the lighter stone and forget about the big stone inside, as it affords you no extra advantage. Additionally, GG is only 140 feet long, and the stone he uses looks to be like the ones used above the Kings chamber, 40 ft. long. So the longest pull could only be 100 feet. That means, his other ramp can only be 100 feet, unless you plan on doing a double pull/reset.. A double pull just adds to the dilemma.

"Lot's of simulations, working fine, whole mechanism tested"...

Why would anyone pull up a heavier stone, just so they could eventually, pull up a lighter stone?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14-Dec-16 18:35 by Steve Clayton.

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Re: Why was the Egyptologist so depressed? 593 Sirius7237 21-Dec-16 02:58
He just wasn't getting enough FUNicular... 525 cladking 21-Dec-16 20:27
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Re: In A Cemetery 620 Audrey 21-Dec-16 02:52
Enough et als to build a pyramid. 589 cladking 21-Dec-16 03:06
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Re: In A Cemetery 631 Thunderbird 21-Dec-16 17:48
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Re: Pyramid Construction 722 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:29
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Re: Pyramid Construction 651 Sirius7237 15-Dec-16 04:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 663 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 13:33
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Animal Fat for Lube?!? 663 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:48
Re: Animal Fat for Lube?!? 625 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 17:26
Re: Animal Fat reduces Friction-That's A Fact! 613 DScribr 15-Dec-16 20:13
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 604 Sirius7237 17-Dec-16 22:09
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 614 Steve Clayton 19-Dec-16 02:03
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 761 Sirius7237 19-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 584 Steve Clayton 20-Dec-16 17:56
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Re: Counterweights and counterthoughts 576 Steve Clayton 21-Dec-16 18:04
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Re: Pyramid Construction 603 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:29
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Re: G3 Exposed 587 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 15:40
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Re: Pyramid Construction 571 cladking 13-Dec-16 20:29
NO 573 Warwick 13-Dec-16 21:54
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Re: Pyramid Construction 616 Warwick 14-Dec-16 18:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 609 cladking 14-Dec-16 18:52
While Egyptology fiddles... 567 cladking 14-Dec-16 19:32
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Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 556 cladking 16-Dec-16 20:22
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 619 Warwick 16-Dec-16 22:48
Re: While Egyptology fiddles... 606 cladking 16-Dec-16 23:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 620 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:45
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Re: Pyramid Construction 509 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:26
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correction 508 Warwick 16-Dec-16 19:30
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Egypto-illogic. 509 cladking 17-Dec-16 15:32
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Ori-illogic. 560 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:12
Re: Egypto-illogic. 535 cladking 17-Dec-16 17:38
Got Shovels? 531 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:30
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Re: correction 433 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 18:26
Re: correction 566 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 19:14
Re: correction 532 cladking 17-Dec-16 19:37
Re: correction 506 Audrey 17-Dec-16 20:14
Modern Gods! 473 cladking 17-Dec-16 20:55
Re: correction 545 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 22:27
Birds Of A Feather 535 DScribr 17-Dec-16 22:30
Re: correction 505 Origyptian 18-Dec-16 00:37
Re: correction 553 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:35
Re: correction 486 Thanos5150 18-Dec-16 02:29
Re: correction 497 Audrey 18-Dec-16 01:21
Re: correction 575 cladking 18-Dec-16 02:03
Re: correction 374 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:45
Re: correction 546 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:28
Re: correction 599 Thanos5150 17-Dec-16 06:50
Re: correction 551 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 14:45
"We" have no objective reason to believe..... 602 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:16
Re: correction 481 cladking 17-Dec-16 14:51
Post o' the week! 520 DScribr 17-Dec-16 16:04
Re: Post o' the week! 521 cladking 17-Dec-16 16:11
Same Old Logic 589 DScribr 17-Dec-16 17:00
Re: correction 560 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:33
Re: correction 599 Origyptian 17-Dec-16 05:43
Not cropped, 'enhanced.' 600 DScribr 17-Dec-16 02:10
Re: correction 579 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:45
Re: correction 452 Audrey 17-Dec-16 03:40
Re: correction 564 Warwick 20-Dec-16 20:28
Re: correction 468 cladking 20-Dec-16 21:37
Re: correction 582 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 22:08
Re: correction 548 Origyptian 20-Dec-16 21:47
Ducks in a barrel 520 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:50
Re: Ducks in a barrel 593 Thanos5150 21-Dec-16 21:15
Re: Ducks in a barrel 703 Origyptian 22-Dec-16 05:15
Re: correction 590 Martin Stower 22-Dec-16 01:14
Re: correction 580 Audrey 21-Dec-16 01:54
Good Grief!!! 575 Warwick 21-Dec-16 20:32
Re: Good Grief!!! 584 Origyptian 21-Dec-16 23:04
Clueless 615 eyeofhorus33 21-Dec-16 23:24
Re: Clueless 533 Audrey 22-Dec-16 02:08
Re: Good Grief!!! 634 Martin Stower 21-Dec-16 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 683 Steve Clayton 15-Dec-16 02:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 613 cladking 15-Dec-16 04:00
The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 623 DScribr 15-Dec-16 04:54
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 603 cladking 15-Dec-16 05:15
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 600 DScribr 15-Dec-16 15:22
Re: The AE HAD Air Conditioning!!! 497 cladking 15-Dec-16 17:08
thank you for the opportunity 590 Warwick 13-Dec-16 19:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 615 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:31
It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 597 cladking 12-Dec-16 21:03
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 619 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 22:32
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 614 cladking 12-Dec-16 22:58
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 677 Steve Clayton 13-Dec-16 00:09
Re: It wasn't hard, it was funicular! 618 cladking 13-Dec-16 00:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 652 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 20:24
Re: Pyramid Construction 675 Steve Clayton 12-Dec-16 19:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 554 DocKnowles 18-Dec-16 09:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 498 Thanos5150 02-Mar-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 Origyptian 02-Mar-18 17:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 428 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 17:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-18 23:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 345 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 01:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 417 Audrey 03-Mar-18 03:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 cladking 03-Mar-18 04:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 476 Audrey 03-Mar-18 07:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 369 cladking 03-Mar-18 14:44
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Audrey 05-Mar-18 00:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 338 cladking 05-Mar-18 04:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 356 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 03:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 436 Origyptian 03-Mar-18 13:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 16:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 381 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 21:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 426 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 04:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 369 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 17:11
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 17:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 321 cladking 03-Mar-18 19:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 366 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 22:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 Audrey 03-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 20:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Audrey 04-Mar-18 22:10
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:50
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 cladking 04-Mar-18 23:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 343 Thanos5150 03-Mar-18 21:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 420 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-18 23:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 321 Thanos5150 04-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 373 Audrey 04-Mar-18 21:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 358 DUNE 04-Mar-18 22:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 346 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 02:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 369 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 382 cladking 05-Mar-18 05:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 02:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Warwick 05-Mar-18 16:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Thanos5150 05-Mar-18 18:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 393 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 18:30
Re: Pyramid Construction 390 Warwick 06-Mar-18 00:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 04:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Warwick 06-Mar-18 04:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 14:33
Riposte 401 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:27
Re: Riposte 395 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 16:37
Re: Riposte 334 Warwick 06-Mar-18 16:54
Re: Riposte 371 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 17:15
Re: Riposte 367 Warwick 06-Mar-18 19:18
Re: Riposte 331 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 19:30
coup de grace 381 Warwick 06-Mar-18 20:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 17:37
Re: Pyramid Construction 331 cladking 04-Mar-18 17:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 394 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 18:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 349 DUNE 04-Mar-18 19:06
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 371 cladking 04-Mar-18 21:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 20:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 391 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 20:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 353 Origyptian 04-Mar-18 21:28
Re: Pyramid Construction 403 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 22:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 382 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 02:13
Re: Pyramid Construction 396 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 407 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-18 23:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Audrey 04-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:20
Re: Pyramid Construction 380 cladking 05-Mar-18 02:17
Re: Pyramid Construction 363 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-18 19:19
Re: Pyramid Construction 408 Origyptian 05-Mar-18 19:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 cladking 05-Mar-18 20:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 16:14
Re: Pyramid Construction 370 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 19:02
Re: Pyramid Construction 360 cladking 06-Mar-18 19:58
Re: Pyramid Construction 359 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 21:43
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 cladking 06-Mar-18 22:03
Re: Pyramid Construction 364 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:07
Re: Pyramid Construction 403 Corpuscles 07-Mar-18 00:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 02:08
Re: Pyramid Construction 361 cladking 04-Mar-18 20:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-18 00:33
Re: Pyramid Construction 367 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 382 warleb 11-Mar-18 00:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 490 Origyptian 11-Mar-18 14:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 429 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 22:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 368 Jon Ellison 25-Mar-18 22:34
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Barbelo 25-Mar-18 22:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 383 Thanos5150 25-Mar-18 23:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 461 Barbelo 26-Mar-18 03:55
Re: Pyramid Construction 425 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 04:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 378 Barbelo 27-Mar-18 10:48
Re: Pyramid Construction 411 Origyptian 27-Mar-18 15:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 400 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 22:35
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Thanos5150 27-Mar-18 23:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 cladking 28-Mar-18 00:25
Re: Pyramid Construction 350 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:59
Re: Pyramid Construction 322 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 03:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 05:56
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 13:16
Re: Pyramid Construction 326 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-18 17:51
Re: Pyramid Construction 324 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 18:36
Re: Dashur Ancient Harbor 419 Thunderbird 28-Mar-18 20:36
Re: Pyramid Construction 412 Thanos5150 28-Mar-18 20:41
Re: Pyramid Construction 406 Origyptian 28-Mar-18 21:53
Re: Pyramid Construction 374 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 00:22
Re: Pyramid Construction 365 Origyptian 29-Mar-18 05:01
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Thanos5150 29-Mar-18 16:52
Re: Pyramid Construction 415 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 14:05
Re: Pyramid Construction 427 Thanos5150 30-Mar-18 16:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 330 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 347 Origyptian 30-Mar-18 17:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 357 Eddie Larry 30-Mar-18 17:47
Re: Pyramid Construction 398 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:46
Re: Pyramid Construction 386 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 00:01
Where Are The Palaces? 346 Barbelo 31-Mar-18 00:26
Re: Where Are The Palaces? 358 Origyptian 31-Mar-18 04:38
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 04:45
Re: Pyramid Construction 354 Thanos5150 31-Mar-18 16:42
Re: Pyramid Construction 377 Eddie Larry 31-Mar-18 17:12
Re: Pyramid Construction 387 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Construction 491 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 06:00
Re: Pyramid Construction 344 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 15:55
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 376 Thunderbird 05-Apr-18 18:52
Re: Manetho...David Rohl.....both wrong : ) 366 Eddie Larry 05-Apr-18 21:09
Re: Pyramid Construction 384 Corpuscles 05-Apr-18 22:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 457 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 04:50
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 362 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 12:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 335 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 350 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 18:21
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 341 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 19:01
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 334 Thunderbird 06-Apr-18 19:12
Archaeology vs Archaeology 346 Barbelo 06-Apr-18 20:13
Re: Peer Review and the Cat who is never wrong : ) 354 Eddie Larry 06-Apr-18 21:15
Re: Pyramid Construction 439 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-18 23:49
Re: Pyramid Construction 412 Thanos5150 03-Apr-18 17:26
Re: Pyramid Construction 376 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-18 00:39
Constructors’ Physique Assumption 354 Dr. Troglodyte 03-Apr-18 19:08
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 387 Origyptian 04-Apr-18 01:54
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 391 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Apr-18 14:24
Re: Constructors’ Physique Assumption 452 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-18 23:21
Means & Methods Assumptions 356 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-18 15:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 353 Origyptian 05-Apr-18 21:13
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 357 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:45
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 337 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:01
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 360 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:42
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 343 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Apr-18 00:05
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 358 Origyptian 06-Apr-18 19:34
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 360 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 03:48
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 401 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 05:53
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:51
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 339 Thanos5150 07-Apr-18 21:36
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 337 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 23:32
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 318 Thanos5150 08-Apr-18 02:50
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 313 Steve Clayton 08-Apr-18 02:57
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 356 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Apr-18 13:58
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 304 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:07
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 322 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 18:22
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 363 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 19:15
Re: Means & Methods Assumptions 326 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-18 22:17