Use the scroll/zoom feature to see it larger:
Here we can clearly see the beginnings of a second Khufu cartouche. Was this too a fake then?
To view all the quarry marks transcribed by Perring:
The pyramids of Gizeh: from actual survey and admeasurementClick > to go to the next chamber.
Looking at all the chambers, by my count there are 12 full/partial cartouches in which 2 are visibly Khufu cartouches, the main one and the second partial noted above on the North Side. The rest are Khnum-Khufu. I also count at least 3 instances of Khufu's Horus name that is not enclosed in a cartouche. There are also at least 4 lines of hieroglyphs like those that precede the other Khnum-Khufu cartouches and one (the one a few feet away from the main Khufu cartouche discussed in previous threads) that would belong to the Khufu cartouche:
For context, I would also note again both the Khnum-Khufu and Khufu cartouches appear together in the Wadi al-Jarf papyri:
The Khnum-Khufu cartouche is also on one of the outside blocks:
Both also appear in association with one another, including Khufu's serekh, at Wadi Maghareh:
As noted before the cartouche first appears towards the end of the 3rd Dynasty and becomes ubiquitous in the 4th Dynasty and onward. I suggest in the above linked thread that these early examples may have actually been made in tribute during the 4th Dynasty leaving the provenance of the cartouche squarely within the 4th Dynasty and later.
We can clearly see numerous examples of cartouches within the RC including at least two, maybe three, that are of the Khufu cartouche. We know the Khufu and Khnum Khufu cartouches are found in relation to each other elsewhere which obviously were not forged. We know, regardless of the minutia of what is actually written within the cartouche, that the cartouche itself at the very earliest was not even invented until the late 3rd Dynasty if not the 4th. Not to mention the Khnum-Khufu cartouche itself does not exist until the reign of Khufu. And yet once again the same pointless nonsensical arguing over numerous threads and countless posts by the same posters over and over again continues as if this is all somehow meaningless or doesn't exist. Its bizarre.
To put it simply, something I have said many times, whether the main Khufu cartouche is a "forgery" or not is irrelevant as it does not explain how and when the DOZEN OTHER CARTOUCHES got there which could only have happened at the very earliest at the end of the 3rd Dynasty, which given the Khunum-Khufu cartouche was not even invented yet and does not appear until the Khufu cartouche does, we can reasonably conclude none were put there until at least the 4th Dynasty.
This is clear context, all but "proof", as to when the RC was built which unless one wishes to argue they are all fakes then they could only have been put there during construction of the RC.
Game over. The challenge now is this: prove all the rest of the cartouches are "forgeries", including the other Khufu cartouche hiding in plain sight, or start explaining how people from the 4th Dynasty got into the RC and drew quarry marks all over including those that run between blocks. And for those that choose the latter, before the wheels start spinning, make sure to ask yourself first why would they put quarry marks all over the place including between stones, including dozens of alignment and placement markers, if they were not actually the ones putting the stones there.
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Edited 9 time(s). Last edit at 04-Sep-19 15:49 by Thanos5150.