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In attempt to wade through all the deflection, pedantics, hyperbole, and BS, I'll try to summarize my points once again, as follows:

"Unbreached":
    All verbal descriptions and photos of those galleries indicate galleries that were openly accessible when they were discovered. This supports the notion that those galleries were "breached" and in fact may never have been sealed before or after last use by the Dynastics or any other culture afterward. As I mentioned in a prior post, if I'm wrong and it turned out that Wilkinson, Bissey, Tallet, etc. did find sealed galleries but either didn't consider including, or deliberately chose to conceal, or simply ignored the importance of mentioning, those sealed galleries in their reporting, then I would consider that to be very irresponsible reporting of an important find. I simply choose to give Tallet, et al. more credit than that.

"Repurposed":
    Tallet's proposed provenance of el-Jarf contradicts Wilkinson, and some of the evidence presented by Tallet makes little sense to me as a "contemporaneous" paradigm but, rather, much more clearly supports adaption. One strong clue is the "narrowing block" and also the observation of a block placed in front of, but not actually blocking, the entrance to the gallery. Why go through the extra effort to excavate the wider entrance and then put in even more effort to make a block to narrow that entrance? In fact, there is a resemblance of post-construction narrowing of both the gallery opening at those sites in the northern Eastern Desert of Egypt close to the mouth of Wadi Araba, and the entrance to the Fort at Mons Claudianus, farther south in the same Eastern Desert of Egypt. These sites all show masonry narrowing the entrance and also a "threshold" block placed in the entrance path. While Peacock had no explanation for these features in the main entrance to the Fort, he makes it clear that such modifications were done late in the operation of the "Fort" and were performed under by the Roman Empire. Meanwhile, Wilkinson actually proposed that the galleries at the harbor sites were of Greco-Roman origin. If those sites were originally constructed by the early Dynastics but modified by the Romans for their own use, this is another indication of adaption. Other evidence of repurposing is the presence of "burnt shards" of pottery. Why would anyone leave burnt pottery lying around in an active pharaonic pottery production facility? Also, there is evidence of charred boat wood in one of the galleries. It's not clear why anyone running an active pharaonic harbor and storage facility would burn what appears to be a disassembled ("royal"?) boat inside a "short-term storage" cave. In addition, the galleries in el-Jarf are a full 5km from the harbor. Under what conditions does it make sense to have an ancient harbor's "short-term storage" facility located 5km from the harbor, especially considering that the OK had no wheeled vehicles? In fact, why would an active harbor operation need to hew a short-term storage facility into solid bedrock at all, let alone so far from the harbor? And let's not forget the "levels of occupation" observed by Tallet. What distinguishes these "levels" if they were all contemporary? It strikes me as quite a contortion to attempt to fit all of these findings into being contemporaneous with an active pharaonic harbor/storage operation. It simply seems clear to me that a provenance earlier than OK and subsequent adaption are distinct possibilities supported, and not contradicted, by the evidence.

"Pillaged":
    Since the evidence supports the possibility that those galleries were opened for untold centuries, or millennia, after last Dynastic use, and since the galleries were essentially found empty other than a few relatively useless artifacts including a few dozen broken pottery jars, some charred boat wood, a few small pieces of non-descript wood, a few short segments of rope, and tattered papyrii segments lost in the rubble, it's fair to consider that those galleries were pillaged long before they were rediscovered already breached in recent times, especially when you consider the possibility of Bedouin and other nomad occupation as well as the known occupation of the Roman Empire at various sites in the Eastern Desert. Those galleries were likely exposed to public access for many years before Wilkinson stumbled upon them, especially since they're located near the mouth of Wadi Araba (high traffic conduit between the Nile and Red Sea), and this supports the notion that anything that was left in those galleries that was of any use at all to such post-OK cultures was taken and used by those later cultures for their own purposes.


As a general comment, Tallet's frequent use of so many tentative "probably" conditionals to support not just "possibilities" but his definitive "claims" regarding the association of the galleries to the harbor or that el-Jarf was in any way related to the original construction of G1 is disturbing, at least to me. Here is how I'm interpreting his approach to drawing conclusions:

    "If" the hieratic paint marks on those broken shards of pottery found within one of the galleries reflect an OK provenance for the hewing of those galleries, and,

    "If" Merrer is talking about large multi-ton blocks of limestone, and,

    "if" the work force was large enough to manage such large blocks, and,

    "if" the boats that accessed the harbor actually carried cargo that eventually went to Giza",

    then el-Jarf was used as part of the project to build G1 (he states it definitively rather than "probably" or even "possibly".

But this is a flawed application of statistical principles. First of all, "probably" generally means "a greater than 50% chance of it being true". What is Tallet's rationale for making such an assumption in statistical probability? There seems to be a recurrent notion in Egyptology that when several pieces of dependent evidence contribute to the same conclusion, then the various probabilities accumulate to increase the validity of the claim. However, just the opposite is true. For example, if there actually was a way to determine that every "if" I mentioned above has a full 70% chance of being true, then the real "probability" that the conclusion is true based on the probability of those 4 dependent "ifs" is 70% to the 4th power, or only 24%. While 24% still means it's possible, it's certainly not "probable", let alone a "factual". If anything, 24% means it's unlikely. In any case, it's not clear how Tallet can be so definitive in his claim about el-Jarf and the construction of G1.

Meanwhile, no explanation has been offered by any investigator regarding how those painted glyphs on those limestone blocks sitting outside the el-Jarf galleries could still be so legible after being exposed to the weather and sun for over 4 millennia when similar paint marks were observed to fade to "almost illegible" after only 25 years of being exposed to the weather when removed from protection in G1's first southern boat pit even though those paint marks were immediately coated with preservative and protected from the weather and sun by a layer of wooden boards.


I have no problem at all if anyone disagrees with any of the above assessment. This is simply my own perspective of the possibilities supported by the evidence. Corrections are certainly welcome.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4557 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 821 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 748 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 800 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 799 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 763 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 780 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 689 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 780 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 695 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 712 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 720 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 610 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 738 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 652 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 740 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 623 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 751 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 778 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 565 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 730 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 669 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 603 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 688 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 601 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 634 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 701 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 695 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 589 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 556 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 749 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 715 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 500 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 611 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 608 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 593 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 635 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 520 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 673 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 691 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 743 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 810 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 620 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 743 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 562 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 698 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 612 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 595 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 655 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 688 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 687 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 661 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 677 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 591 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 700 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 680 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 607 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 498 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 620 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 617 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 635 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 610 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 545 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 563 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 771 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 666 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 603 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 579 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 605 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 631 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 615 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 870 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 610 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 636 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 650 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 676 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 656 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 831 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 624 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 569 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 753 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 624 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 601 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 629 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 606 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 671 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 638 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 632 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 723 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 667 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 577 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 639 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 658 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 769 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 598 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 663 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 641 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 545 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 612 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 641 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 530 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 641 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 639 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 599 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 645 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 671 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 622 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 596 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 583 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 646 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 664 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 631 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 633 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 698 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 800 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 652 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 634 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 612 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 625 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 651 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 592 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 526 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 582 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 590 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 482 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 528 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 506 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 574 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 589 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 583 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 487 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 614 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 542 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 562 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 627 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 619 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 487 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 608 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 535 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 608 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 516 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 596 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 567 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 574 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 499 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 666 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 604 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 675 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 577 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 543 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 557 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 603 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 592 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 533 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 573 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 546 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 569 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 597 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 555 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 452 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 565 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 553 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 522 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 595 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 716 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 615 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 456 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 488 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 645 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 580 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 641 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 625 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 511 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 669 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 568 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 569 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 577 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 608 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 574 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 568 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 559 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 596 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 587 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 599 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 588 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 574 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 581 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 553 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 577 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 492 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 610 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 606 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 640 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 610 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 618 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 564 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 561 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 535 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 562 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 551 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 555 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 588 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 556 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 571 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 576 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 558 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 495 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 536 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 587 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 595 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 567 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 597 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 489 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 474 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 552 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 538 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 555 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 620 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 532 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 526 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 577 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 532 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 666 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 607 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 539 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 913 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 583 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 577 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 514 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 621 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 621 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 572 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 535 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 642 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 721 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 652 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 572 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 546 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 606 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 574 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 576 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 586 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 526 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 481 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 540 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 562 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 536 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 622 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 484 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 617 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 532 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 613 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 555 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 551 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 558 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 602 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 720 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 562 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 643 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 525 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 500 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 739 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 658 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 400 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 546 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 589 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 570 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 528 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 502 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 513 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 562 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 437 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 533 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 579 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 455 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 572 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 599 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 642 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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