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In attempt to wade through all the deflection, pedantics, hyperbole, and BS, I'll try to summarize my points once again, as follows:

"Unbreached":
    All verbal descriptions and photos of those galleries indicate galleries that were openly accessible when they were discovered. This supports the notion that those galleries were "breached" and in fact may never have been sealed before or after last use by the Dynastics or any other culture afterward. As I mentioned in a prior post, if I'm wrong and it turned out that Wilkinson, Bissey, Tallet, etc. did find sealed galleries but either didn't consider including, or deliberately chose to conceal, or simply ignored the importance of mentioning, those sealed galleries in their reporting, then I would consider that to be very irresponsible reporting of an important find. I simply choose to give Tallet, et al. more credit than that.

"Repurposed":
    Tallet's proposed provenance of el-Jarf contradicts Wilkinson, and some of the evidence presented by Tallet makes little sense to me as a "contemporaneous" paradigm but, rather, much more clearly supports adaption. One strong clue is the "narrowing block" and also the observation of a block placed in front of, but not actually blocking, the entrance to the gallery. Why go through the extra effort to excavate the wider entrance and then put in even more effort to make a block to narrow that entrance? In fact, there is a resemblance of post-construction narrowing of both the gallery opening at those sites in the northern Eastern Desert of Egypt close to the mouth of Wadi Araba, and the entrance to the Fort at Mons Claudianus, farther south in the same Eastern Desert of Egypt. These sites all show masonry narrowing the entrance and also a "threshold" block placed in the entrance path. While Peacock had no explanation for these features in the main entrance to the Fort, he makes it clear that such modifications were done late in the operation of the "Fort" and were performed under by the Roman Empire. Meanwhile, Wilkinson actually proposed that the galleries at the harbor sites were of Greco-Roman origin. If those sites were originally constructed by the early Dynastics but modified by the Romans for their own use, this is another indication of adaption. Other evidence of repurposing is the presence of "burnt shards" of pottery. Why would anyone leave burnt pottery lying around in an active pharaonic pottery production facility? Also, there is evidence of charred boat wood in one of the galleries. It's not clear why anyone running an active pharaonic harbor and storage facility would burn what appears to be a disassembled ("royal"?) boat inside a "short-term storage" cave. In addition, the galleries in el-Jarf are a full 5km from the harbor. Under what conditions does it make sense to have an ancient harbor's "short-term storage" facility located 5km from the harbor, especially considering that the OK had no wheeled vehicles? In fact, why would an active harbor operation need to hew a short-term storage facility into solid bedrock at all, let alone so far from the harbor? And let's not forget the "levels of occupation" observed by Tallet. What distinguishes these "levels" if they were all contemporary? It strikes me as quite a contortion to attempt to fit all of these findings into being contemporaneous with an active pharaonic harbor/storage operation. It simply seems clear to me that a provenance earlier than OK and subsequent adaption are distinct possibilities supported, and not contradicted, by the evidence.

"Pillaged":
    Since the evidence supports the possibility that those galleries were opened for untold centuries, or millennia, after last Dynastic use, and since the galleries were essentially found empty other than a few relatively useless artifacts including a few dozen broken pottery jars, some charred boat wood, a few small pieces of non-descript wood, a few short segments of rope, and tattered papyrii segments lost in the rubble, it's fair to consider that those galleries were pillaged long before they were rediscovered already breached in recent times, especially when you consider the possibility of Bedouin and other nomad occupation as well as the known occupation of the Roman Empire at various sites in the Eastern Desert. Those galleries were likely exposed to public access for many years before Wilkinson stumbled upon them, especially since they're located near the mouth of Wadi Araba (high traffic conduit between the Nile and Red Sea), and this supports the notion that anything that was left in those galleries that was of any use at all to such post-OK cultures was taken and used by those later cultures for their own purposes.


As a general comment, Tallet's frequent use of so many tentative "probably" conditionals to support not just "possibilities" but his definitive "claims" regarding the association of the galleries to the harbor or that el-Jarf was in any way related to the original construction of G1 is disturbing, at least to me. Here is how I'm interpreting his approach to drawing conclusions:

    "If" the hieratic paint marks on those broken shards of pottery found within one of the galleries reflect an OK provenance for the hewing of those galleries, and,

    "If" Merrer is talking about large multi-ton blocks of limestone, and,

    "if" the work force was large enough to manage such large blocks, and,

    "if" the boats that accessed the harbor actually carried cargo that eventually went to Giza",

    then el-Jarf was used as part of the project to build G1 (he states it definitively rather than "probably" or even "possibly".

But this is a flawed application of statistical principles. First of all, "probably" generally means "a greater than 50% chance of it being true". What is Tallet's rationale for making such an assumption in statistical probability? There seems to be a recurrent notion in Egyptology that when several pieces of dependent evidence contribute to the same conclusion, then the various probabilities accumulate to increase the validity of the claim. However, just the opposite is true. For example, if there actually was a way to determine that every "if" I mentioned above has a full 70% chance of being true, then the real "probability" that the conclusion is true based on the probability of those 4 dependent "ifs" is 70% to the 4th power, or only 24%. While 24% still means it's possible, it's certainly not "probable", let alone a "factual". If anything, 24% means it's unlikely. In any case, it's not clear how Tallet can be so definitive in his claim about el-Jarf and the construction of G1.

Meanwhile, no explanation has been offered by any investigator regarding how those painted glyphs on those limestone blocks sitting outside the el-Jarf galleries could still be so legible after being exposed to the weather and sun for over 4 millennia when similar paint marks were observed to fade to "almost illegible" after only 25 years of being exposed to the weather when removed from protection in G1's first southern boat pit even though those paint marks were immediately coated with preservative and protected from the weather and sun by a layer of wooden boards.


I have no problem at all if anyone disagrees with any of the above assessment. This is simply my own perspective of the possibilities supported by the evidence. Corrections are certainly welcome.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4142 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 715 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 706 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 678 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 602 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 632 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 524 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 651 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 572 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 648 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 679 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 478 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 582 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 501 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 590 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 519 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 550 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 610 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 594 jamesglory 26-Sep-16 13:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 500 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 469 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 641 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 499 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 418 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
Re: Khufu I/Block 20 520 Thanos5150 15-Oct-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 516 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 540 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 16:50
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 433 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 574 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 600 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 630 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:26
Re: Water erosion 725 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 14:36
Re: Water erosion 525 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:18
Re: Water erosion 650 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:50
Re: Water erosion 476 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re: Water erosion 595 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Water erosion 531 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 506 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 569 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 586 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 589 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 561 Thunderbird 06-Sep-16 04:57
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 592 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 21:06
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 504 cladking 06-Sep-16 21:51
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 620 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 21:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 593 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 519 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 407 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 536 cladking 07-Sep-16 19:07
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 527 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 548 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 520 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 458 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 472 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:13
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 683 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
Stream of Consciousness 574 eyeofhorus33 06-Sep-16 19:33
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 555 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 517 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 521 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 498 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 497 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 504 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 544 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 520 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 538 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 529 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 770 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 518 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 494 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 540 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 565 cladking 07-Sep-16 16:24
Galleries :: Graves 591 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 561 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 748 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 526 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 487 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 661 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 533 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 521 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 536 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 510 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 544 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 548 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 643 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 574 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 484 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 547 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 559 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 556 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 450 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 527 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 545 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 443 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 553 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 547 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 513 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 492 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 556 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 581 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 530 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 539 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 513 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 546 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 512 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 522 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 579 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 483 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 658 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 558 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 514 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 550 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 529 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 538 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 510 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 447 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 486 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 396 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 460 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 515 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 451 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 509 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 482 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 462 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 429 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 479 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 502 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 404 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 536 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 464 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 504 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 495 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 491 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 409 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 516 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 435 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 520 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 484 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 490 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 523 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 409 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 520 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 499 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 462 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 488 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 474 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 519 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 524 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 513 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 455 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 498 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 491 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 468 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 480 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 513 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 471 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 370 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 478 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 473 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 441 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 512 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 529 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 372 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 403 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 567 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 489 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 547 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 537 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 427 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 587 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 484 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 479 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 486 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 525 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 437 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 511 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 497 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 519 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 504 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 484 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 497 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 478 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 550 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 502 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 411 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 522 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 517 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 493 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 523 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 531 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 480 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 472 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 456 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 457 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 481 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 447 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 461 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 479 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 496 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 472 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 499 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 465 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 403 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 448 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 506 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 508 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 485 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 512 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 413 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 384 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 467 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 449 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 482 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 455 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 442 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 491 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 447 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 575 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 525 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 457 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 665 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 496 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 494 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 425 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 535 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 539 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 489 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 456 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 552 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 630 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 567 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 489 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 458 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 518 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 482 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 487 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 505 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 401 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 452 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 494 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 480 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 544 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 406 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 524 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 447 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 481 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 460 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 456 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 512 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 486 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 439 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 423 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 562 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 316 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 449 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 477 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 485 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 450 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 422 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 440 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 490 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 355 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 455 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 491 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 371 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 494 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 515 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 556 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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