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Origyptian Wrote:
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> You sure you didn't mean Middle Kingdom?

Yes, MK. Occupation is from the OK to NK with the best represented inscriptions belonging to the MK.
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The pharaonic period that is best represented among the inscriptions is the Middle Kingdom, with several official reports on missions undertaken at the site providing the specific year of a pharaoh’s reign. The most ancient of these engraved stelae bears the name of the last king of Dynasty 11, Mentuhotep IV (c. 2000 BC, Fig. 5).

...The collected archaeological data suggests that most of the galleries were used extensively throughout the Middle Kingdom.
Here.

> That simply could mean that the 4th Dynasty
> artifacts were the least valuable of what was
> found there by subsequent occupants, and so those
> artifacts were left behind (mainly broken shards
> of pottery).

So MK/NK inscriptions were "more valuable" than OK ones? MK/NK pots were "more valuable" than OK ones?

> It seems that you think I'm suggesting that
> el-Jarf was occupied last by the NK, but I did
> clarify that I had mixed up el-Jarf with Ayn
> Sukhna. I'm pretty sure Tallet describes the MK as
> the dominant provenance at Ayn Sukhna.

Dude-anyone who came after the OK (or before for that matter). What is the source of confusion here particularly when you are the only one claiming these were repurposed by people after the OK? And if the MK/NK "repurposed" Ayn Sukhna after the OK then why did they not "repurpose" Wadi al-Jarf? You keep claiming it was "repurposed" so where is the evidence of these people who obviously most likely would have been the MK/NK? There is none.

> I think it's fair to say that the OK had no use
> for its broken pottery and neither did any nomad
> occupants thereafter,
> and that seems to be the
> most prevalent evidence in those galleries. The
> papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the
> entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants
> after the OK even knew that material was there.

So what happened to your incessant unfounded claims Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" including after the OK? You just forget all about that now that you understand there is zero evidence of it? Instead you now latch on to whether it was "breached" after the OK or not as if this was the point all along. Who cares? All the evidence still points to construction and occupation of the site beginning and ending in the OK.

> And yes, I believe it's quite possible that nomads
> occupying those galleries after the Dynastics
> would not leave much behind with their name on it,
> so how would we know whether it was OK or not? For
> example, who charred the charred wood that was
> found there? Is there any reason to believe the OK
> torched their own boats?

So now it's not the AE of the MK/NK, but ambiguous I assume Roman era and later "nomads"? So what?

> Why would subsequent occupants of the Eastern
> Desert have any interest in broken OK pottery
> (other than using it as ostraca during the Roman
> Empire)? Can we reasonably expect every occupant
> to leave a clear sign that they were there? How
> can we possibly know what those galleries might
> have been used for during all those centuries that
> they may have been openly accessed by the various
> occupants of that desert?

Unbelievable. There is no evidence they were used for anything during "all those centuries" that they "may", or may not as there is no evidence they were, been "openly accessed". And to quote Tallet again regarding the "layers of occupation:
"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

Spin away.

> And the bulk of that evidence (at el-Jarf) was a
> bunch of shards from a few dozen broken jugs that
> were of no use to any occupant that may have been
> there post-OK.

But where is the same debris from everyone else you claim was there? Obviously the MK and NK were not there so now you are down to what-Roman era or later bedouins? Yet amazingly they too left no trace. The whole point of your originally doubt mongering Wadi al-Jarf was to confuse the provenance of Merrer's diary, so this means it was the bedouins who forged these documents? What is the point to any of your nonsense anymore? If bedouins poked around these galleries and found nothing of use as you now claim, but otherwise left zero evidence they actually used the place for anything, let alone "repurposed it", what is the point? It has nothing to do with the original OK provenance of Wadi al-Jarf nor Merrer's diary which you now aquiesse:
"The papyrii were buried in the rubble outside the entrance; it's anyone's guess whether occupants after the OK even knew that material was there...".

Lol. You are literally arguing over nothing with no evidence to back up this "nothing" regardless.

> The lack of a definitive signature
> doesn't mean it wasn't used by others who left no
> signature after the OK.

We can clearly see the "signatures" of later Dynasties at Ayn Sukhna so if in fact Wadi al-Jarf was "repurposed" during dynastic times as you incessantly claim with no evidence there is no doubt we would find their signatures there. Oh, but now you were never reffering to the Dynastic Egyptians but after later reading regarding later bedouin locals in the area you can now point to them. Stealth ninja bedouins no less who left no trace they were ever at WAdi al-Jarf.

> For example, how can you
> identify charred wood as having been burned by the
> OK vs any other subsequent occupant? What are
> those "levels of occupation" outside the galleries
> as described by Tallet?

"On this first terrace several levels of occupation have been found which are contemporary to the functioning of the galleries."

> I think it's unreasonable
> to assert that those galleries were likely never
> occupied by anyone else after the OK,

What is "unreasonable" is you asserting they were despite zero evidence if only to the contrary to support it. And who cares if some bedouins "may" have scavenged a few galleries and camped a night or two once in awhile. It is meaningless to an OK provenance of not only the facilities themselves, but also the Merrer diary. You led this nonsense all the way to the end of the rabbit hole for literally no reason whatsoever than to doubt monger for the sake of doubt mongering the diary.

> considering
> that there is no evidence that those galleries
> were ever sealed and, rather, that they may have
> been openly accessible to those Bedouin, etc.,
> cultures occupying the Eastern Desert during all
> those centuries.

There is evidence they were sealed, but again, so what if they were later assessed by the bedouins? There is no evidence they were there and has no bearing whatsoever on a 4th Dynasty provenance regardless.

> > "So some of you seem to believe Tallet is
> > able to glean what those caves originally were
> > used for even though they were breached and
> > repurposed untold times over the centuries, for
> a
> > duration of active use that he estimates to
> have
> > exceeded a full millennium."
> >
> > All of it is false. Every single word of it.

> If you are denying that those galleries were
> openly accessible,

We have no idea if they were "openly accessible", which the evidence suggests they were not, let alone even known to anyone beyond the 5th Dynasty. You are claiming as fact they were breached and that they were repurposed which is 100% false.

> and claiming they were not
> "UNBREACHED" and not repurposed,

You are the one claiming they were "breached and repurposed" so don't spin your BS back on me. You claim this as fact yet you know full well there is no evidence of it other than it is not "impossible" they were not.

> then I
> respectfully disagree with you, and I believe the
> evidence supports my interpretation of Tallet.

You have invented a self-serving and utter pointless interpretation of the evidence that does otherwise not exist which no one else shares. Now to support you "repurposing" nonsense you claim there is no reason to expect to find any actual evidence of the people who repurposed it for all of the "untold centuries"? F-ing amazing.

> Meanwhile, it may be Tallet who is overzealous in
> his interpretation of the evidence by making
> definitive claims based on his frequent use
> of uncertain conditionals (such as
> "probably" which he used 10 times in
> "Harbor of Khufu" and 9 times in the "Ayn Kukhna &
> Wadi el-Jarf" paper) rather than simply suggesting
> what he considers to be the possibilities.

Such stunning hypocrisy:
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Origyptian is the holder of a Doctorate, therefore it could be argued that it is perfectly reasonable and understandable that he should adopt a polite and academic style of writing.
However there are those that may, for one reason or another be unaware of the advantages, and necessity for the above mentioned style of writing, particularly with reference to "hedging".

> For example, there is absolutely nothing that
> definitively validates his contention that el-Jarf
> had anything at all to do with the original
> construction of G1.

So here we have the ultimate reason of all your pointless doubt mongering. Amazing.

What the Merrer diary tells us, regardless of what the stone was used for, is that he was involved in quarry and transport operations of stone from Tura. These operations required copper which is why there is a port at Wadi al-Jarf to access the copper mines of the Sinai peninsula.

According to Tallet:

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In this context, the installations at Wadi al-Jar should probably be considered as a distant dependency of the project of the Great Pyramid and an essential technical extension in order to obtain, from the mines of the southern Sinaï, the large amount of copper necessary for the tools and some specific equipment used at Giza.

Even if one wishes to view Merrer's quarry and transport activities at Tura as being for G1 "repairs" or "construction", or nothing related to G1 at all, this does not change the fact that for one, Merrer (and the 4th Dynasty) was involved in the transport of quarried stone from Tura, and two, given the need of copper to quarry such stone, Wadi al-Jarf was most certainly constructed to serve this purpose. And no matter what it all points directly to the 4th Dynasty regardless.


[snip]

Enough of your BS. More of your meaningless doubt mongering noise for no reason whatsoever other than to create some conspiracy where otherwise none exists.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 18-Sep-16 04:03 by Thanos5150.

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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 680 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 518 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
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Galleries :: Graves 592 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 563 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 750 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 528 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 490 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 663 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 535 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 524 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 538 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 512 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 582 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 551 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 671 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 550 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 644 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 577 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 488 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 549 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 562 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 678 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 513 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 582 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 482 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 559 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 452 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 529 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 548 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 444 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 555 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 550 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 515 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 494 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 559 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 582 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 531 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 514 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 514 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 524 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 580 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 539 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 546 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 485 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 662 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 521 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 561 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 543 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 516 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 552 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 531 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 541 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 560 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 513 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 450 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 487 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 401 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 462 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 453 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 510 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 449 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 489 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 484 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 466 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 433 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 503 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 406 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 537 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 468 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 489 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 508 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 483 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 497 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 548 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 533 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 494 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 412 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 523 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 449 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 436 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 522 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 489 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 520 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 503 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 485 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 494 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 494 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 526 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 413 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 583 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 523 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 596 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 501 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 463 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 497 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 527 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 475 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 521 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 525 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 514 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 456 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 501 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 492 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 470 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 481 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 515 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 473 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 372 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 482 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 476 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 443 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 514 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 629 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 530 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 374 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 404 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 569 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 492 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 548 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 539 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 431 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 588 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 487 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 480 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 488 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 527 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 494 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 494 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 444 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 513 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 500 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 520 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 506 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 485 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 500 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 479 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 552 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 503 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 413 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 526 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 519 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 495 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 524 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 534 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 482 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 475 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 457 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 458 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 483 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 448 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 463 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 481 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 497 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 474 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 496 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 501 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 468 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 406 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 450 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 508 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 511 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 487 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 514 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 414 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 386 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 470 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 451 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 484 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 536 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 457 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 443 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 492 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 450 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 576 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 526 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 459 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 674 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 499 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 497 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 426 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 536 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 541 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 491 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 457 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 553 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 633 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 570 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 491 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 460 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 519 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 484 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 508 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 488 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 429 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 403 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 453 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 497 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 484 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 426 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 545 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 408 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 526 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 448 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 534 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 483 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 462 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 464 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 514 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 636 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 487 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 561 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 440 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 424 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 649 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 563 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 319 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 451 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 479 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 516 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 487 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 453 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 423 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 441 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 493 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 358 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 458 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 492 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 373 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 496 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 516 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 559 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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