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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Lifting one cover stone a foot or two and sliding
> wood planks into the pit is a far cry from the
> effort, knowledge, and resources required to build
> G1.

But they didn't just "lift one block a foot or two"-they moved all the blocks into position. How do we know this? Because the the blocks are covered with quarry marks on multiple sides, including hieroglyphs, as well as the fact the blocks are sealed with mortar between the blocks. To quote Jenkins:

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Marks made by the ancient quarrymen are still visible on many of the stones, hieroglyphs scrawled in red and yellow ochre and in lampblack. They have the hasty and abbreviated look of foremen's instructions about how the stones were to be quarried. The marks apparently include references to measurements in cubits (the ancient Egyptian cubit was the equivalent of 52.3 cm), as well as the royal cartouche of Djedefre, the son of Cheops, the same cartouche that Mallakh had identified when he first uncovered the stones. With the exception of Djedefre's cartouche, which was already well known, the marks have not been identified. Further study may reveal more about ancient quarrying techniques. One thing the marks have established is the position of Djedefre in the Fourth Dynasty king-list: it seems certain that if he were the one to bury Cheops, he must logically have been Cheops' successor.

From another source:
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Eighteen cartouches bearing the name of King Dedefre, the builder of the incomplete Pyramid at Abu-Roash were found among the quarry marks on the upper surfaces of blocks Nos. 15, 19, 20, 23, 30, 34, 35 and 40, the lower surfaces of blocks Nos. 5, 7, 9 and 20, the northern sides of blocks Nos. 34 and 38, and the eastern sides of blocks Nos. 5 and 33 (PI. XI, A).

So they put quarry marks all over these blocks because they lifted "one stone" a foot and slid the pieces of the boat in? There is no doubt the AE placed the boat and the blocks.

> I've never disagreed that copper/bronze can be
> used to quarry the relatively smaller, softer,
> local limestone slabs (not Aswan granite or the
> 100+ ton cyclopean limestone beasts, e.g., at the
> valley temple), lift it a few feet, and haul it on
> sleds over relatively short distances.

These are 15-20 blocks. The average block size of G1 is 2.5 tons. And I said before if you can lift a 20 ton block a few feet you can certainly lift a 2.5 ton block 4-5ft-the height of the courses of G1 which comprise what-99% of the blocks?

> But I think
> it unlikely the OK would embark on such a boat pit
> project.

They obviously did exactly such things:


Or are you going to argue this is not a boat pit?

Yes, the southern pits are different in shape which does suggest they may have had a different function originally, but the fact is the AE buried boats inside of them and covered them with dozens of 15-20 blocks nonetheless. Why waste a perfectly good trench just to build another for a boat that will easily fit?

> On the other hand, prying one or two end
> stones loose from the mortar and wedging it up 12"
> so that the boat parts could be loaded by humans
> into the pit would not be impossible for the OK
> bronze agers.

Nor would digging the pit in the first place and covering them with dozens of 15-20 blocks as we know they did. I find it silly that the most you are willing to allow these primitive "stinky footed bumpkins" is the ability to barely lift just one block a mere 12" so they could have just enough room (in your uninformed opinion) to slide in over 1200 ship components some of which were 75ft long weighing at least 1 ton. Not only that, they were also able to place the boat with great care in order of assembly through this 12" hole and while they were at it drew quarry marks all over the blocks on multiple sides for blocks you claim they did not even quarry.

> I believe it would be easy to slide a 75' plank
> into the 3m deep, 32m long pit through a 1'
> opening made by lifting an end block with copper
> prybars and wood support wedges.

The point is moot as we know they did not do this, but it is impossible as you are describing it regardless. Think about it-you are trying to slide in a one ton 75ft long piece of wood at ground level though a 1ft hole into a chamber barely 10ft deep. You would have to dig a long deep trench leading to the hole to create sufficient angle to get it into the chamber. I'm sure some brainiac out there can do the math.

> I see no need to
> hew a separate long ramp as you described.

Well, you would regardless, but this comment was directed to your question of why did they not just bury the boat in one piece which to do so, of course, you would have to cut a long deep trench.

> I do
> see a very short ramp at one end of the pit which
> could have been used to facilitate the installment
> of wooden parts into the pit from that end.

I don't and regardless it does not matter as the quarry marks are incontrovertible proof they did not.

> I highly doubt they would bring torches with them
> into the pit for fear of turning the wood into a
> bonfire with each falling cinder from the torch.

Well, good luck for them getting in your 12" hole in the first place-but of course they would need torches. In your scenario there would be workers inside this pit for hours at a time responsible for perfectly placing all the boat parts in order not to mention drawing all of the quarry marks on the underside of all those blocks they didn't actually quarry.

> I also disagree with your assessment of the effort
> to hew a "gallery" cave vs. the open pit with
> cover slabs.

To carve a cave you have to have a vertical surface to cut into in the first place, like a hill, which there is not next to the pyrmaids. And regardless, we know for a fact they did not want to do this for boat burials which they obviously wanted as close to the pyramid as possible. Again:

The effort to make this boat pit was not much less if not equal to the southern pits given the extra craftsmanship required to shape it yet they did not think it "easier" or "better" to cut a gallery out of a hillside and obviously choose to cut a trench right there on the plateau just like all of the other boat pits. We do not need to wonder or make things up that are not there as we can see exactly how they made these boats pits right at this very location which every single one are trenches, not galleries. The score on that one is 35-0. Game over.

[snip]

> Although some wooden planks are scratched leaving
> the appearance that they once were used as
> functioning boats, I do not believe the
> reconstructed boat would actually float.

So was this just a copy of something from the LC they did not understand but made one just like it anyways? Then they found this weird trench they were able to lift one block 12" and bury it in complete darkness and just for the fun of it drew quarry marks all over the blocks to pretend like they quarried them when they really didn't? Sounds perfectly reasonable.

So they made this highly complex ship just like all of their other ships yet this could not actually float like the other ships:



The Abydos boats as well as others were found using the same system so I guess they were all fake boats which they pictured themselves sailing in fake boats, making fake boats, talking about their adventures and trades in the fake boats which all just so happened to be just like the actual boats.

Herodotus:
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Their boats with which they carry cargoes are made of the thorny acacia, of which the form is very like that of the Kyrenian lotos, and that which exudes from it is gum. From this tree they cut pieces of wood about two cubits in length and arrange them like bricks, fastening the boat together by running a great number of long bolts through the two-cubits pieces; and when they have thus fastened the boat together, they lay cross-pieces over the top, using no ribs for the sides; and within they caulk the seams with papyrus. They make one steering-oar for it, which is passed through the bottom of the boat; and they have a mast of acacia and sails of papyrus. These boats cannot sail up the river unless there be a very fresh wind blowing, but are towed from the shore: from this acacia tree they cut planks 3 feet long, which they put together like courses of brick, building up the hull as follows: they joined these three foot lengths together with long close set dowels; when they have built up the hull in this fashion they stretch cross beams over them. They use no ribs, and they caulk the seams from the inside, using papyrus....

Another fairy tale from ancient historians I presume.

[snip]

Pfft.

> There are far too many unexplained enigmas about
> the pit and the wooden parts that prevent me from
> jumping to the conclusion that those pits were
> definitely designed originally as boat graves.

There are no "enigmas" regarding the boat's functionality and regardless of what the two southern pits were made for originally there is zero doubt they ended up being used as boat pits covered by dozens of 15-20 blocks quarried moved and placed by the Dynastic Egyptians. This is the point of the OP.



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 13-Sep-16 00:13 by Thanos5150.

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Galleries :: Graves 591 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
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Re: Galleries :: Graves 547 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 559 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 512 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 556 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 450 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 528 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 546 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 443 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 553 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 548 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 514 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 492 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 556 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 581 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 530 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 513 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 546 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 512 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 522 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 572 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 579 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 483 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 558 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 514 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 550 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 530 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 539 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 510 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 447 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 486 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 397 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 460 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 515 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 451 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 509 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 482 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 463 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 429 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 479 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 502 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 404 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 536 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 464 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 505 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 495 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 491 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 409 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 520 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 516 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 435 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 520 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 484 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 490 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 409 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 581 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 520 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 500 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 462 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 488 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 474 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 519 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 524 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 513 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 455 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 498 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 491 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 468 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 480 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 513 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 471 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 370 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 478 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 473 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 441 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 512 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 529 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 372 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
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Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 490 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 547 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 537 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 427 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 587 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 485 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 479 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 486 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 526 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 438 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 511 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 497 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 519 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 504 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 484 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 498 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 478 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 550 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 502 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 411 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 522 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 517 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 493 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 523 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 531 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 481 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 473 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 456 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 457 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 481 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 447 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 461 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 479 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 496 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 472 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 499 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 465 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 403 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 448 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 506 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 508 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 485 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 513 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 413 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 384 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 467 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 449 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 482 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 456 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 442 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 491 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 447 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 575 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 525 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 457 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 665 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 497 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 494 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 425 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 535 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 539 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 489 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 456 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 552 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 631 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 567 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 489 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 458 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 518 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 482 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 487 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 505 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 401 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 452 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 494 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 480 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 544 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 407 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 524 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 447 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 481 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 461 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 456 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 512 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 486 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 439 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 423 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 562 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 316 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 449 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 477 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 485 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 450 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 422 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 440 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 490 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 355 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 455 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 491 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 371 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 494 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 515 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 556 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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