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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Likewise, there is nothing in the OP that
> addresses the provenance of G1.

Which is on purpose as this is not the point.

> Most boat pits were found empty with no trace of housing any boat remains or of similar covering stones. There are very > conspicuous brown stains that suggest significant depositing of oxidized iron. Has any testing been done for residual
> materials in those empty pits?

Do you have a reference for "most of these boat pits"? I have seen documentation of only a few which some did in fact have remains of what appeared to be boat riggings. Also, a source for the "brown stains" please (Jenkins?).

> As stated by Jon Ellison, why disassemble the entire boat (into 13 layers of stacked wood) rather than keep it intact
> for the afterlife?

As to "why", they obviously had their reasons though they may be unclear to us today. Regardless, since the first boats found at Abydos, Dynastic boats are unique in that they are specifically designed to be taken apart for easy transport across the land and reassembly. At least one reference I have seen notes that one of the few Abydos boats superficially excavated was also at least partially disassembled when buried.

> As stated by DUNE, why not just hew a chamber into bedrock, load the chamber with the wood segments, then apply a
> single plug at the entrance? That would seem to have been a far simpler project and would have better ensured
> protection from moisture and atmosphere contamination.

And as I said, despite the dozens of boat graves found before and after none are made by tunneling a chamber into the bedrock so there is no reason to expect it to be done any differently. The Khufu boat is 143ft in length with single planks being up to 75ft long with a deck house about 12-15ft high and a prow about 30ft. I fail to see how making a chamber to accommodate such a boat "easier". First you have to cut a descending ramp at least 144ft long and 30+ft deep towards the end then cut a chamber over 144ft long and 30ft high. I see no difference in effort to cut one open trench and blocks to cover it. Which regardless, is neither here nor there as they did not do it this way since the very first boat graves whose boats were no slouches themselves pulling in around 60-80ft.

> Why are some boat pits rectangular while others are bowed? In my opinion, the traditional narrative of G1 doesn't
> adequately account for the enigmatic positions and shape of the 3 boat-shaped pits on the east side vs. the 2
> rectangular pits on the south side of G1, along with the inconsistent placement of the 2 queens' boat pits.

This is a valid question. I think it is possible the two southern pits were either not originally intended to be boat graves or served a dual purpose which the latter was to eventually serve double duty as a boat grave.

> Why did Khufu (and Khafre) need 5 boats?

Looking at earlier boat graves, it is not unusual for there to be multiple boat associated with one burial. What is unique to me is they are scattered on various sides of the pyramid when if for one pharoah history would suggest they would be together like so:


Those at Abydos are essentially to represent a "moored fleet". I do not think all of the G1 boat pits are contemporary with each other with some not part of the original plan but rather placed where possible after the fact.

> Why put a single pit parallel to the Causeway?

Case in point.

> Why isn't Khufu mentioned in any boat pit around G1? It's reasonable to wonder why Djedefre had his name inscribed no
> less than 18 times and not once felt the urge to mention his father in whose name he supposedly constructed the boat
> pit in the first place.

Reasonable, but this dates it at least to the time of Djedefre nonetheless. The Japanese did say, however, they did find a Khufu cartouche in the other boat pit.

> Are we to believe that the builders of G1 were such masters at megalithic construction, but yet elected to surround
> what is arguably their finest masterpiece with a wall sitting on a foundation comprised of left over rubble of
> limestone, granite, and basalt chips held together with cement? That wall is thought to have been covered with
> limestone plaster and gypsum to make it look like the Tura casings. This is not characteristic of the monolithic style > of the Old Kingdom, especially for a royal funerary monument.

Substandard, though characteristic of most of these types of walls of the period otherwise.

> Why bury the parts of a disassembled boat outside the "tomb" when the vast majority of tombs included the afterlife
> objects inside the tomb near the royal mummy?

This is how they always did it and after.

> Why are some boat pits lined with blocks while others are simply recesses into bedrock?

Could some of the blocks have since been plundered? They were found empty afterall.

> Why place the boat pits so close to G1 such that the southern wall needed to be built a full 5m closer to G1 on that
> wall compared to the distance of the wall on the north and east faces? Again, uncharacteristic of the more common
> precision symmetry of the Pyramid Age.

A valid point.

> Why is the southern boat pit on the east side so big -- 51.5m long, 7m wide at midpoint, and 8m deep? Are there any
> signs of column footings in the base of the pit? If not, it doesn't seem likely that it was once covered by such long
> beams of limestone over such a wide cavity.

This, as it appears you read, was noted by Egyptologists. I think this is a fair assessment to doubt if this was originally meant to be a boat pit.

> Regarding the provenance of the wood, it's not clear to me that the Dynastics didn't have access to those pits while
> those 20 ton beams were already in place (e.g., from more ancient times). The first boat pit has small "keystones" at
> one end which differ from the other larger roof beams. Those keystones obviously could have been the result of
> up what originally may have been a longer 20 ton beam in order to gain access to the pit, e.g., in order to repurpose
> a possibly already ancient pit. The breach created by removal of that first block may have created access large
> enough to fit a human and, therefore, all of the boat materials may have been brought through that small portal long
> after the pit was originally hewn.



Of course this was coming. The "keystones" are a curious feature but it should be obvious what you are suggesting is impossible hence why there is no other conclusion than the blocks were placed there in Dynastic times by the people who buried the boats. As said before, some of the planks are 75ft long with others being over 40ft. There is no way you are going to be able to move these pieces in just by removing one block. Also of note is the masterful way in which the boat was placed underneath the blocks requiring great care, effort, and time meaning they would have had to have torches set up for extended periods of time to be able to see which if so the bottoms of the blocks would have soot all over them but they do not.



> Is there a more logical explanation for the presence of such keystones?

Certainly one a lot more logical than they cut out one block to move the boat underneath all the other blocks that they couldn't fit through anyways just to put them back in that configuration. Why not just pull the one out and put it back?

> Regarding the 2nd boat pit, It obviously wasn't "hermetically" sealed since gaps existed that were large enough to
> allow insects to enter.

After nearly 5,000yrs is it that unusual to find gaps have formed large enough to allow in insects? Obviously the attempt was made to seal it.

> The wood was allegedly placed in those pits no later than the end of the 4th Dynasty, but I question the dating of the > wall, sub-patio, and local mastabas that are the basis of that 4th Dynasty provenance of those pits.

These other structures are not what dates the wood in and of itself but rather the cartouches and the boats themselves.

> Some of the wooden planks exhibit what looks like signs of having been used before being entombed.

So what? I hope they used it before they buried it. At least one of the Abydos boats also show signs of being used before burial as well.

> I have never denied the possibility that the Old Kingdom had the technology to locally quarry, shape, transport, and
> position such relatively crude limestone slabs.

Please. You have done exactly that ad nauseum which even now it is only a "possibility" to you. It is a fact, not a "possibility", with the only question being what did who do when not "if" the AE could do any of it at all.

And hardly that "crude":



You are looking at the rough edges and tops but ignoring the well cut faces. The crudeness was obviously not a product of lack of ability but rather lack of necessity.

> However, I see no logic in laying a series of beams over a "boat pit" when excavating a cavity into bedrock would be
> quicker, easier, and result in a far better seal to preserve the wood.

It is by no means "easier" or "quicker", if only the opposite, and regardless how it had always been done before and after. Once again, these are not isolated incidents: nowhere in the history of Dynastic boat burials has a boat ever been found buried inside of an underground chamber cut out of bedrock.

These boats were no doubt placed there in the OK which proves they were in fact capable of moving blocks upwards of 20 tons and by extension cut, quarry, and LIFT such blocks. The latter goes out to those maroons who have accepted the fact they did quarry and move these blocks though refuse to accept they "lifted" them. This is stupid. These blocks are cut on all 4 sides. They had to be lifted to accomplish this. They also had to be lifted to put them upon the means of transport, which for sake of argument let's say rollers. So, about 2ft. Hmmm. If they could get a block 2ft off the ground is it therefore possible they could say lift it 4-5ft? Say about the height of one of these:


Not to mention the boat pit blocks are upwards of 20 tons yet these core block average 2.5 tons. So while unwittingly these jagamaroles admit the AE could lift dozens of 15-20 blocks at least a few feet off the ground to move them from the quarry to the boat pit, in the same breath they cry it is "impossible" they could lift a 2.5 ton block 4-5ft off the ground. And to those who believe the AE "adopted" this from an LC-how could they restore and repurpose all of this stone if they could not do these things in the first place? I have said this so many times yet it is amazingly ignored. When does the fringe end and common sense begin?

Anyways, I have talked at length regarding archaic Dynastic boat burials before. Regardless of what is found at Giza, which as an aside I do not believe Khufu's boat was made in Egypt, the practice of boat burials is part and parcel of the formation of the Dynastic state and paramount to understanding how it came to be which I have argued is the result of foreign influence. At the very beginnings of Dynastic Egypt, they buried these amazing massive boats at great expense and care for which we still do not understand why regardless of later Dynasty beliefs in Solar barges. Why did they start doing this? Even before the 1st boat burials are found, we find rock art leading from the Red Sea to Abydos (hint hint) depicting legions of seamen dragging these boats, some which appear to be of foreign origin, across the desert which I am certain there must be a connection between these boats and the boat burials.



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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 764 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 611 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 738 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 741 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 565 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 670 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 501 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 609 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 603 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 579 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 582 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 12:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 605 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:19
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 631 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 616 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 870 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 611 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 581 cladking 07-Sep-16 14:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 636 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 15:46
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Galleries :: Graves 676 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 657 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 831 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 570 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 753 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 602 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 630 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 607 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 672 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 639 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 767 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 633 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
Re: Galleries :: Graves 724 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 15:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 667 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 578 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 640 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 658 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 769 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 599 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 664 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 641 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 546 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 641 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 530 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 642 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 639 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 600 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 645 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 671 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 623 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 597 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 583 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 646 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 665 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 632 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 633 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 698 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 802 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 653 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 634 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 613 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 625 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 651 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 526 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 582 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 483 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 529 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 602 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 545 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 506 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 590 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 583 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 487 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 615 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 542 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 562 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 628 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 619 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 536 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 608 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 597 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 568 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 606 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 575 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 567 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 575 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 597 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 500 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 666 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 605 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 676 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 578 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 544 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 557 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 603 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 593 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 533 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 573 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 546 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 570 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 598 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 555 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 452 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 566 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 553 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 523 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 596 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 716 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 616 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 456 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 489 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 646 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 580 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 642 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 626 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 512 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 669 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 568 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 569 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 577 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 608 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 574 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 568 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 561 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 597 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 587 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 600 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 589 Thanos5150 20-Sep-16 02:05
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 574 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 582 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 553 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 578 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 493 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 610 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 607 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 611 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 618 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 565 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 561 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 536 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 563 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 552 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 556 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 589 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 556 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 571 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 577 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 559 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 495 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 536 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 588 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 595 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 568 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 598 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 489 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 475 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 553 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 539 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 556 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 620 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 532 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 526 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 578 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 533 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 667 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 608 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 539 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 915 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 583 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 578 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 515 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 621 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 622 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 573 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 536 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 642 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 721 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 652 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 572 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 547 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 574 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 577 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 526 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 482 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 540 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 582 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 563 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 536 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 623 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 485 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 617 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 532 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 614 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 556 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 552 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 603 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 720 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 563 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 644 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 526 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 501 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 740 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 658 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 400 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 546 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 590 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 571 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 528 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 503 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 514 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 562 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 438 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 533 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 580 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 455 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 573 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 600 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 643 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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