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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Quite the conundrum is it not?

I agree, there certainly are quite a few conundrums in your excellent (as usual) post. Not so surprising is that I challenge traditional thought which does not adequately consider the enigmas surrounding these pits:

    Most boat pits were found empty with no trace of housing any boat remains or of similar covering stones. There are very conspicuous brown stains that suggest significant depositing of oxidized iron. Has any testing been done for residual materials in those empty pits?

    Why do some boat pits appear to have multiple ledges on the walls (e.g., the eastern pits of G1)?

    As stated by Jon Ellison, why disassemble the entire boat (into 13 layers of stacked wood) rather than keep it intact for the afterlife?

    As stated by DUNE, why not just hew a chamber into bedrock, load the chamber with the wood segments, then apply a single plug at the entrance? That would seem to have been a far simpler project and would have better ensured protection from moisture and atmosphere contamination. For example, why not mimic the design similar to G7000x which is thought to have served as a funerary deposit for Hetepheres?

    Why are some boat pits rectangular while others are bowed? In my opinion, the traditional narrative of G1 doesn't adequately account for the enigmatic positions and shape of the 3 boat-shaped pits on the east side vs. the 2 rectangular pits on the south side of G1, along with the inconsistent placement of the 2 queens' boat pits.

    Why did Khufu (and Khafre) need 5 boats?

    Why put a single pit parallel to the Causeway?

    Why isn't Khufu mentioned in any boat pit around G1? It's reasonable to wonder why Djedefre had his name inscribed no less than 18 times and not once felt the urge to mention his father in whose name he supposedly constructed the boat pit in the first place.

    Are we to believe that the builders of G1 were such masters at megalithic construction, but yet elected to surround what is arguably their finest masterpiece with a wall sitting on a foundation comprised of left over rubble of limestone, granite, and basalt chips held together with cement? That wall is thought to have been covered with limestone plaster and gypsum to make it look like the Tura casings. This is not characteristic of the monolithic style of the Old Kingdom, especially for a royal funerary monument.

    Why bury the parts of a disassembled boat outside the "tomb" when the vast majority of tombs included the afterlife objects inside the tomb near the royal mummy?

    Why are some boat pits lined with blocks while others are simply recesses into bedrock?

    Why place the boat pits so close to G1 such that the southern wall needed to be built a full 5m closer to G1 on that wall compared to the distance of the wall on the north and east faces? Again, uncharacteristic of the more common precision symmetry of the Pyramid Age.

    Why is the southern boat pit on the east side so big -- 51.5m long, 7m wide at midpoint, and 8m deep? Are there any signs of column footings in the base of the pit? If not, it doesn't seem likely that it was once covered by such long beams of limestone over such a wide cavity.

    Regarding the provenance of the wood, it's not clear to me that the Dynastics didn't have access to those pits while those 20 ton beams were already in place (e.g., from more ancient times). The first boat pit has small "keystones" at one end which differ from the other larger roof beams. Those keystones obviously could have been the result of hacking up what originally may have been a longer 20 ton beam in order to gain access to the pit, e.g., in order to repurpose a possibly already ancient pit. The breach created by removal of that first block may have created access large enough to fit a human and, therefore, all of the boat materials may have been brought through that small portal long after the pit was originally hewn. Is there a more logical explanation for the presence of such keystones? Regarding the 2nd boat pit, It obviously wasn't "hermetically" sealed since gaps existed that were large enough to allow insects to enter. Air sampled through the original 9cm drill hole confirmed that there was no hermetic seal. Did Yoshimura specifically claim there were no such smaller "keystones" on the second boat pit? (it's hard to find details about the initial excavation). Note that one pit had 40 spanning beams while the other had 41.

The wood was allegedly placed in those pits no later than the end of the 4th Dynasty, but I question the dating of the wall, sub-patio, and local mastabas that are the basis of that 4th Dynasty provenance of those pits.

Some of the wooden planks exhibit what looks like signs of having been used before being entombed.

I'd love to see a detailed 2nd boat pit excavation report by Yoshimura that at least parallels the detail in Jenkins' report of the excavation of the first boat pit. As I recall from a similar discussion a couple of months ago, it's difficult to know exactly what Yoshimura observed since there doesn't seem to be any detailed account of his initial excavation into the pit other than the hole drilled to initially view the contents of the pit and a few comments he made which don't seem to be verifiable by the physical evidence. I've not come across any analysis of the integrity of that roof and possible breaches that may have occurred in the past once it was determined that it was not hermetically sealed.

I have never denied the possibility that the Old Kingdom had the technology to locally quarry, shape, transport, and position such relatively crude limestone slabs. However, I see no logic in laying a series of beams over a "boat pit" when excavating a cavity into bedrock would be quicker, easier, and result in a far better seal to preserve the wood. Likewise, there is nothing in the OP that addresses the provenance of G1.

Meanwhile, the physical evidence seems to support adaption of a more ancient structure.

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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 748 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 764 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 781 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 781 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 696 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 713 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 720 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 611 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 738 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 653 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 742 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 752 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 779 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 566 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 674 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 691 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
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Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 687 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 643 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 603 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 631 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
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Galleries :: Graves 676 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 657 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 832 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 625 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
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Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 578 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 640 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
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Re: Galleries :: Graves 770 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 599 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 664 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 572 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 641 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 546 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 613 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 642 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 530 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 642 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 640 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 600 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 645 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 672 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 623 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 597 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 583 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 635 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 594 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 695 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 646 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 665 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 659 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 632 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 633 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 698 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 573 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 804 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 653 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 644 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 621 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 634 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 613 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 627 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 651 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 526 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 582 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 591 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 565 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 483 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 605 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 600 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 529 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 602 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 556 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 507 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 585 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 590 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 584 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 488 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 616 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 543 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 566 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 593 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 563 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 629 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 620 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 577 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 489 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 610 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 609 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 598 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 569 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 607 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 576 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 568 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 575 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 598 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 501 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 666 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 605 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 676 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 579 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 545 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 611 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 557 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 604 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 593 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 533 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 586 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 575 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 546 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 571 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 598 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 555 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 452 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 566 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 553 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 524 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 596 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 717 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 616 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 456 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 489 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 646 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 581 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 643 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 626 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 512 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 669 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 569 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 569 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 578 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 610 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 575 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 568 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 562 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 598 Martin Stower 19-Sep-16 22:55
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 588 Thanos5150 19-Sep-16 23:40
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 600 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 00:43
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Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 574 Corpuscles 20-Sep-16 23:50
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 582 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 554 Origyptian 20-Sep-16 05:09
Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 632 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 578 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 493 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 610 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 607 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 641 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 611 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 618 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 565 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 562 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 536 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 546 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 563 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 552 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 556 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 591 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 579 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 558 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 571 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 578 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 560 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 496 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 536 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 588 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 596 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 570 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 598 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 490 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 476 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 554 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 540 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 556 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 621 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 533 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 527 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 579 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 533 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 668 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 608 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 539 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 916 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 584 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 578 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 515 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 621 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 622 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 573 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 536 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 642 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 722 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 653 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 572 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 547 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 607 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 575 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 588 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 577 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 587 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 526 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 482 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 540 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 582 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 564 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 538 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 624 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 486 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 618 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 534 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 615 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 556 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 553 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 560 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 604 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 722 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 564 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 645 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 527 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 502 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 740 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 659 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 401 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 536 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 547 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 590 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 572 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 529 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 503 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 515 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 565 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 438 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 533 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 580 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 456 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 573 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 601 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 643 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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