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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Quite the conundrum is it not?

I agree, there certainly are quite a few conundrums in your excellent (as usual) post. Not so surprising is that I challenge traditional thought which does not adequately consider the enigmas surrounding these pits:

    Most boat pits were found empty with no trace of housing any boat remains or of similar covering stones. There are very conspicuous brown stains that suggest significant depositing of oxidized iron. Has any testing been done for residual materials in those empty pits?

    Why do some boat pits appear to have multiple ledges on the walls (e.g., the eastern pits of G1)?

    As stated by Jon Ellison, why disassemble the entire boat (into 13 layers of stacked wood) rather than keep it intact for the afterlife?

    As stated by DUNE, why not just hew a chamber into bedrock, load the chamber with the wood segments, then apply a single plug at the entrance? That would seem to have been a far simpler project and would have better ensured protection from moisture and atmosphere contamination. For example, why not mimic the design similar to G7000x which is thought to have served as a funerary deposit for Hetepheres?

    Why are some boat pits rectangular while others are bowed? In my opinion, the traditional narrative of G1 doesn't adequately account for the enigmatic positions and shape of the 3 boat-shaped pits on the east side vs. the 2 rectangular pits on the south side of G1, along with the inconsistent placement of the 2 queens' boat pits.

    Why did Khufu (and Khafre) need 5 boats?

    Why put a single pit parallel to the Causeway?

    Why isn't Khufu mentioned in any boat pit around G1? It's reasonable to wonder why Djedefre had his name inscribed no less than 18 times and not once felt the urge to mention his father in whose name he supposedly constructed the boat pit in the first place.

    Are we to believe that the builders of G1 were such masters at megalithic construction, but yet elected to surround what is arguably their finest masterpiece with a wall sitting on a foundation comprised of left over rubble of limestone, granite, and basalt chips held together with cement? That wall is thought to have been covered with limestone plaster and gypsum to make it look like the Tura casings. This is not characteristic of the monolithic style of the Old Kingdom, especially for a royal funerary monument.

    Why bury the parts of a disassembled boat outside the "tomb" when the vast majority of tombs included the afterlife objects inside the tomb near the royal mummy?

    Why are some boat pits lined with blocks while others are simply recesses into bedrock?

    Why place the boat pits so close to G1 such that the southern wall needed to be built a full 5m closer to G1 on that wall compared to the distance of the wall on the north and east faces? Again, uncharacteristic of the more common precision symmetry of the Pyramid Age.

    Why is the southern boat pit on the east side so big -- 51.5m long, 7m wide at midpoint, and 8m deep? Are there any signs of column footings in the base of the pit? If not, it doesn't seem likely that it was once covered by such long beams of limestone over such a wide cavity.

    Regarding the provenance of the wood, it's not clear to me that the Dynastics didn't have access to those pits while those 20 ton beams were already in place (e.g., from more ancient times). The first boat pit has small "keystones" at one end which differ from the other larger roof beams. Those keystones obviously could have been the result of hacking up what originally may have been a longer 20 ton beam in order to gain access to the pit, e.g., in order to repurpose a possibly already ancient pit. The breach created by removal of that first block may have created access large enough to fit a human and, therefore, all of the boat materials may have been brought through that small portal long after the pit was originally hewn. Is there a more logical explanation for the presence of such keystones? Regarding the 2nd boat pit, It obviously wasn't "hermetically" sealed since gaps existed that were large enough to allow insects to enter. Air sampled through the original 9cm drill hole confirmed that there was no hermetic seal. Did Yoshimura specifically claim there were no such smaller "keystones" on the second boat pit? (it's hard to find details about the initial excavation). Note that one pit had 40 spanning beams while the other had 41.

The wood was allegedly placed in those pits no later than the end of the 4th Dynasty, but I question the dating of the wall, sub-patio, and local mastabas that are the basis of that 4th Dynasty provenance of those pits.

Some of the wooden planks exhibit what looks like signs of having been used before being entombed.

I'd love to see a detailed 2nd boat pit excavation report by Yoshimura that at least parallels the detail in Jenkins' report of the excavation of the first boat pit. As I recall from a similar discussion a couple of months ago, it's difficult to know exactly what Yoshimura observed since there doesn't seem to be any detailed account of his initial excavation into the pit other than the hole drilled to initially view the contents of the pit and a few comments he made which don't seem to be verifiable by the physical evidence. I've not come across any analysis of the integrity of that roof and possible breaches that may have occurred in the past once it was determined that it was not hermetically sealed.

I have never denied the possibility that the Old Kingdom had the technology to locally quarry, shape, transport, and position such relatively crude limestone slabs. However, I see no logic in laying a series of beams over a "boat pit" when excavating a cavity into bedrock would be quicker, easier, and result in a far better seal to preserve the wood. Likewise, there is nothing in the OP that addresses the provenance of G1.

Meanwhile, the physical evidence seems to support adaption of a more ancient structure.

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Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 4142 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 03:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 726 eyeofhorus33 04-Sep-16 06:28
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 655 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 19:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 715 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 08:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 706 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 678 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 10:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 DUNE 04-Sep-16 10:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 602 DUNE 04-Sep-16 11:22
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 690 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 607 DUNE 04-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 18:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 632 cladking 04-Sep-16 21:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 524 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 651 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 06:09
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 572 Thanos5150 05-Sep-16 16:24
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 648 Jon Ellison 05-Sep-16 17:14
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 542 cladking 05-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 661 Jon Ellison 04-Sep-16 11:26
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 679 Thanos5150 04-Sep-16 17:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 478 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:25
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 620 Steve Clayton 04-Sep-16 18:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 582 cladking 04-Sep-16 20:21
Boats R Us 501 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 590 jamesglory 08-Sep-16 06:06
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 519 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:09
Re: Khufu's Boats used in their Pits 550 DScribr 09-Sep-16 18:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 610 jamesglory 16-Sep-16 05:45
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 500 cladking 26-Sep-16 14:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 468 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 00:17
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 641 jamesglory 27-Sep-16 06:43
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 625 Thanos5150 27-Sep-16 17:53
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 499 DUNE 15-Oct-16 10:58
Khufu I/Block 20 418 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Oct-16 18:13
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 516 Origyptian 18-Oct-16 00:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 DUNE 18-Oct-16 07:56
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 433 DUNE 18-Oct-16 17:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 574 Thanos5150 18-Oct-16 17:36
Re: Khufu's Boats-to be built by others..... 600 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:07
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Re: Water erosion 531 Steve Clayton 05-Sep-16 16:58
Re: Water erosion 506 eyeofhorus33 05-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Water erosion 569 Merrell 05-Sep-16 17:46
Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 586 Thunderbird 05-Sep-16 20:14
Re: Re:Control the conversation.....tantrum. ... 589 Martin Stower 05-Sep-16 20:55
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 593 Martin Stower 06-Sep-16 23:21
Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 519 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:11
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 407 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:23
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 527 DScribr 08-Sep-16 01:17
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 548 cladking 08-Sep-16 13:39
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 520 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:56
Re: How knowledge challenged the Fringe 458 cladking 09-Sep-16 00:52
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Re: How knowledge challenged the Egyptology 683 cladking 07-Sep-16 00:17
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 554 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 12:55
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 517 cladking 06-Sep-16 14:03
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 521 Steve Clayton 06-Sep-16 17:28
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Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 544 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 18:23
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 520 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 18:34
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 538 Origyptian 06-Sep-16 19:16
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 529 Jon Ellison 06-Sep-16 23:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 770 Thanos5150 06-Sep-16 23:41
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 518 Steve Clayton 07-Sep-16 14:17
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Galleries :: Graves 591 Dr. Troglodyte 08-Sep-16 23:33
Re: Galleries :: Graves 561 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 00:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 748 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 03:32
Re: Galleries :: Graves 526 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:21
Re: Galleries :: Graves 487 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 16:52
Re: Galleries :: Graves 661 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:00
Re: Galleries :: Graves 533 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 21:54
Re: Galleries :: Graves 521 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 23:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 536 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 23:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 510 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 05:50
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 06:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 544 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:29
Re: Galleries :: Graves 668 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:06
Re: Galleries :: Graves 548 cladking 10-Sep-16 21:30
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Re: Galleries :: Graves 574 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 15:36
Re: Galleries :: Graves 484 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 01:41
Re: Galleries :: Graves 547 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 559 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 676 Morten 13-Sep-16 09:05
Thanks for the link 511 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:04
Re: Galleries :: Graves 581 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:01
Re: Galleries :: Graves 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 17:03
Boat Graves-one answer. 556 DScribr 13-Sep-16 17:27
Re: Galleries :: Graves 450 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 02:57
Re: Galleries :: Graves 527 cladking 09-Sep-16 03:25
Close enough 545 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:02
Re: Close enough 443 cladking 09-Sep-16 21:03
Re: Close enough 552 DScribr 10-Sep-16 00:33
Re: Close enough 547 cladking 10-Sep-16 01:09
Re: Galleries :: Graves 513 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Sep-16 15:43
Re: Galleries :: Graves 492 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 18:02
It wasn't 556 DScribr 07-Sep-16 16:06
Re: It wasn't 581 Origyptian 08-Sep-16 23:45
At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 530 DScribr 09-Sep-16 01:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 539 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists!!! 513 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:06
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 546 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 14:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 512 cladking 09-Sep-16 14:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 604 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 19:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 522 Jon Ellison 09-Sep-16 20:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 571 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 21:41
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 579 Thanos5150 09-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 537 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 540 Thanos5150 10-Sep-16 21:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 601 DScribr 11-Sep-16 02:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 483 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 658 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 01:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 03:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 558 cladking 12-Sep-16 03:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 547 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 17:48
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 541 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 513 cladking 12-Sep-16 20:49
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 550 Thunderbird 12-Sep-16 21:19
Re: Shred of evidence : ) 529 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:00
Sphinx 538 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:43
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 557 Thanos5150 12-Sep-16 21:04
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 510 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 00:21
Mainstream evidence still exists.... 447 DScribr 13-Sep-16 00:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 498 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 04:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 04:31
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 486 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 13:27
Ergo, Adaption! 396 DScribr 13-Sep-16 15:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 460 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 15:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 515 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:47
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 451 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 16:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 509 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 16:58
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 18:15
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:01
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 482 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 500 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:38
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 462 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:24
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 429 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 16:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 517 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 19:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 20:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 479 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:10
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 502 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 499 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 02:12
Overruled!!! 404 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:12
Re: Overruled!!! 536 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:02
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 464 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:19
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 17:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 504 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:17
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 481 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 22:22
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 495 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:39
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 544 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 00:55
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 491 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 22:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 409 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:37
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 519 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 22:32
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 448 Thanos5150 13-Sep-16 23:51
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 516 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 00:56
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 435 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 01:33
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 520 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 02:34
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 488 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 12:00
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 518 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:30
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 501 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 15:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists.... 484 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 18:39
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 22:36
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 490 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 23:17
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 523 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:34
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 408 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 20:37
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 580 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 23:52
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 520 DScribr 17-Sep-16 00:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 594 Jon Ellison 17-Sep-16 07:45
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 499 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 15:56
A polite and academic style of writing. 462 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:35
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 488 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 15:25
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 524 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 16:16
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 474 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 17:59
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 519 Martin Stower 17-Sep-16 20:57
MS and DScribr are really the same person!!!.......Film @ 11. 524 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 513 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 22:21
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 455 Martin Stower 18-Sep-16 00:27
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 498 Thanos5150 18-Sep-16 00:52
Misleading still exists... 491 DScribr 18-Sep-16 01:26
Re: Misleading still exists... 468 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 02:45
Re: Misleading still exists... 480 Barbelo 18-Sep-16 11:32
Re: Misleading still exists... 513 DScribr 18-Sep-16 13:55
Re: Misleading still exists... 471 randompHactor 18-Sep-16 15:16
Re: Misleading still exists... 370 DScribr 18-Sep-16 19:30
Re: Misleading still exists... 478 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:46
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists... 473 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 18:45
Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 441 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:40
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 512 Origyptian 18-Sep-16 20:53
Re: STILL Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 626 DScribr 19-Sep-16 00:41
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 529 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 17:50
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim 371 cladking 19-Sep-16 18:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 403 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:06
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 567 cladking 20-Sep-16 14:29
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 489 Jon Ellison 20-Sep-16 16:46
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 547 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:34
They were sealed during the late 4th D. 537 DScribr 20-Sep-16 17:23
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 427 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:44
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 587 Jon Ellison 24-Sep-16 20:03
Re: They were sealed during the late 4th D. 484 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 03:52
Re: Awaiting Proof Of Ori's Pillaging Claim-avoiding responsibility.... 479 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:29
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 486 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 18:01
Mainstream evidence exists... 525 DScribr 17-Sep-16 21:49
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Origyptian 17-Sep-16 21:56
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 492 Thanos5150 17-Sep-16 23:53
Summary perspective of el-Jarf 437 Origyptian 19-Sep-16 20:30
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Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 497 cladking 21-Sep-16 00:38
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Re: Summary perspective of el-Jarf 550 Martin Stower 20-Sep-16 10:10
'The Truth' 502 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:20
Re: 'The Truth' 410 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:31
Re: 'The Truth' 522 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 00:41
Re: 'The Truth' 517 Origyptian 24-Sep-16 17:11
Re: 'The Truth' 493 Martin Stower 24-Sep-16 19:21
Re: 'The Truth' 523 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 04:13
Re: 'The Truth' 530 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 13:30
Re: 'The Truth' 480 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 15:45
Re: 'The Truth' 472 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 18:15
Re: 'The Truth' 456 Origyptian 25-Sep-16 18:35
Re: 'The Truth' 457 Martin Stower 25-Sep-16 19:09
Tallet Misrepresented by Ori.......... 481 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:18
Perspective vs Fact 447 DScribr 20-Sep-16 12:12
Re: Perspective vs Fact 461 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:28
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 479 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 23:20
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 496 DScribr 16-Sep-16 00:40
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 472 Origyptian 16-Sep-16 01:53
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 493 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:05
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...whether read-or not! 499 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:17
Galleries Correction 465 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:15
Re: At least (insufficient) Mainstream evidence exists... 403 Martin Stower 16-Sep-16 14:24
Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 448 DScribr 14-Sep-16 03:25
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 506 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 15:15
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 508 DScribr 14-Sep-16 16:04
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 485 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 21:44
Fringe-in-denial.... .... 512 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:34
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 413 cladking 15-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 384 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 19:40
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 467 cladking 15-Sep-16 19:56
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 449 Origyptian 15-Sep-16 20:53
Re: Fringe-in-denial.... .... 482 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 22:10
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 535 Thanos5150 15-Sep-16 03:06
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 455 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:17
Re: Misleading is a way of life here for some..... 442 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:37
Life Unfair! 491 DScribr 15-Sep-16 17:36
Wadi el Jarf evidence exists 446 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:14
Re: At least Mainstream evidence exists...or does it?!? 575 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:09
Re: It wasn't 524 Martin Stower 09-Sep-16 12:37
Got Pics? 457 DScribr 09-Sep-16 19:17
Re: It wasn't 665 M. J. Thomas 09-Sep-16 13:09
Re: It wasn't 496 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 13:26
Re: It wasn't 494 eyeofhorus33 09-Sep-16 15:54
Re: It wasn't 424 Origyptian 09-Sep-16 15:56
Re: Saqqara 535 Thunderbird 09-Sep-16 17:01
Re: Saqqara 539 cladking 09-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Djedefre. ...your Fired ! 489 Thunderbird 10-Sep-16 03:38
Re: It wasn't 456 Steve Clayton 10-Sep-16 01:08
Re: It wasn't 552 Origyptian 10-Sep-16 17:02
Re: It wasn't 630 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 20:49
Re: It wasn't 567 Martin Stower 10-Sep-16 21:33
Re: It wasn't 489 Origyptian 12-Sep-16 00:53
Re: It wasn't 458 Martin Stower 12-Sep-16 20:43
Re: It wasn't 518 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 02:37
Re: It wasn't 482 Martin Stower 13-Sep-16 14:57
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 507 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 16:20
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 487 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 16:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 505 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:18
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:00
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 401 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:30
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 452 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 18:11
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 494 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 22:12
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 480 Jon Ellison 13-Sep-16 23:08
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 424 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 23:26
Lifting IS Required. 544 DScribr 14-Sep-16 12:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 406 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 524 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 16:43
Re: Lifting IS Required. 447 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 16:51
Re: Lifting IS Required. 532 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 18:16
Re: Lifting IS Required. 481 M. J. Thomas 14-Sep-16 18:35
Re: Lifting IS Required. 460 randompHactor 14-Sep-16 19:28
Re: Lifting IS Required. 456 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:01
Re: Lifting IS Required. 512 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 19:03
Re: Lifting IS Required. 630 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 20:02
Re: Lifting IS Required. 486 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 20:13
Re: Lifting IS Required. 559 Origyptian 14-Sep-16 21:58
Re: Lifting IS Required. 439 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 423 Steve Clayton 15-Sep-16 01:05
Re: Lifting IS Required. 647 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 20:38
Re: Lifting IS Required. 562 Thanos5150 14-Sep-16 22:39
Re: Lifting IS Required. 316 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:18
Re: Lifting IS Required. 449 Martin Stower 14-Sep-16 23:32
Re: Lifting IS Required. 477 Jon Ellison 14-Sep-16 23:55
Re: Lifting IS Required. 515 Martin Stower 15-Sep-16 09:09
Re: Lifting IS Required. 485 Steve Clayton 14-Sep-16 19:42
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 450 Origyptian 13-Sep-16 17:02
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 422 Steve Clayton 13-Sep-16 17:38
Re: Khufu's Boats-How Did They Get There if Giza Was Built Before the Dynastic Period? 440 Steve Clayton 16-Sep-16 12:38
The Pharaoh's House 490 DScribr 16-Sep-16 15:14
Water 355 D-Archer 21-Sep-16 11:28
Re: Water 455 cladking 21-Sep-16 13:37
Saw pit? 491 Apap 22-Sep-16 00:13
Great idea. 371 cladking 22-Sep-16 02:00
Re: Great idea. 494 Apap 22-Sep-16 18:22
Re: Great idea. 515 cladking 22-Sep-16 19:13
Re: Saw pit? 556 Origyptian 23-Sep-16 19:52


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