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M. J. Thomas Wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> Question: What exactly needs to be done to
> establish once and for all whether or not this
> infamous cartouche is a fake?
>
> Question: Are digital photographs of the cartouche
> really of any use beyond showing us in sharp
> detail what it looks like?

What exactly needs to be done to establish once and for all whether or not the infamous Shroud of Turin is a fake?

You see the problem?

We know that 14C tests were done and we know that diehard Shroudies found ways of dismissing them. Why would this case be any different? Why would people who think Vyse was a liar—who are more than halfway to denouncing the entirety of “Egyptology” as a lucrative fraud—whose “thinking” is riddled with conspiracism—accept what a lab says? We’d be told that the sampling was done improperly, or the samples were switched, or the result was down to contamination, or the lab was in on it, or something like this:

“Vyse found a cache of ancient Egyptian paint. He broke the vessels containing it and had Hill and Raven pound the dried-up paint into powder. Then they added the purest water they could find (distilled) and used the resulting paint for the forgery.”

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,335235,335933#msg-335933

Your question presupposes an interested community with standards in common. There is no such community.

The only thing driving these calls for tests is the forgery idea. Those who think like this already are the people on Earth least likely to accept results which contradict their preconceptions: the option of crying “conspiracy!” is already built into their thinking. Give this lot their way and they would test and test and test until there is nothing left. As we have seen already, people like this need to be kept away from the pyramids (and note how consistently they excuse what Görlitz and Erdmann did).

As long as they have use for it, people will find “reasons” to believe in the “Vyse forgery”.

M.

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Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 1600 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 12:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 543 DScribr 08-Jul-16 12:57
P.P.S 396 DScribr 08-Jul-16 13:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 645 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 13:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 448 cladking 08-Jul-16 13:46
debate – what’s needed? 386 DScribr 08-Jul-16 16:00
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 327 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:15
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 416 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 530 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 420 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 619 Brian Patterson 08-Jul-16 17:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 460 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:41
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 395 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 471 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 13:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 502 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 15:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 395 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:21
Hey MJ :) 451 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Hey MJ :) 476 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 19:28
Re: Hey MJ :) 378 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:39
Re: Hey MJ :) 359 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 20:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 429 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 17:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 476 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 18:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 358 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 350 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 18:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 321 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:38
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 335 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 398 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:49
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 430 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 464 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 368 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 352 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:30
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 370 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 367 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 20:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 318 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 21:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 450 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 365 DScribr 08-Jul-16 21:57
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 452 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 376 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 288 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:52
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 450 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 410 Audrey 08-Jul-16 20:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 450 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 21:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 433 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 377 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 353 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 376 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 362 DScribr 08-Jul-16 22:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 339 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 348 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:38
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 384 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 399 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 447 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 23:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 371 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 405 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 427 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 02:07
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 444 Audrey 09-Jul-16 02:52
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 478 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 03:19
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 383 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:22
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 480 Audrey 09-Jul-16 03:47
Re: Time for a mid east cruise : ) 383 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 05:39
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 393 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 438 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 18:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 417 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 18:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 467 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 19:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 367 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 23:16
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 436 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 431 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:39
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 552 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 14:34
Real debate – what’s needed??? 375 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 411 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:33
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 407 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:46
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 348 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:06
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 343 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 16:48
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 346 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 17:02
Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 446 DScribr 09-Jul-16 19:33
Re: Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 373 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 23:02
Good Spelling IS Needed In Transliteration. 363 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:50
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 424 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 451 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 03:34
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 428 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 03:55
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 328 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 05:02
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 351 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 459 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 445 Audrey 10-Jul-16 05:42
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 314 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 15:59
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 361 Audrey 08-Jul-16 23:00
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 416 Audrey 08-Jul-16 19:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 465 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:27
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 419 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:41
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 382 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:03
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 353 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:16
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 354 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:19
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Re: Destiny 343 Audrey 09-Jul-16 02:51
Re: Destiny 365 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:24
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 420 Corpuscles 09-Jul-16 02:12
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 417 Corpuscles 09-Jul-16 03:30
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 404 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:59
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 346 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:51
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 344 Warwick 08-Jul-16 19:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 346 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 324 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 334 R Avry Wilson 09-Jul-16 06:14
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 314 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 16:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 356 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 16:23
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 443 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 23:34
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 421 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 481 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:09
Links R US 370 DScribr 09-Jul-16 01:47
Re: Links R US 363 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 06:43
Re: Links R US 342 DScribr 09-Jul-16 13:33
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 456 DUNE 09-Jul-16 08:03
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