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M. J. Thomas Wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> Question: What exactly needs to be done to
> establish once and for all whether or not this
> infamous cartouche is a fake?
>
> Question: Are digital photographs of the cartouche
> really of any use beyond showing us in sharp
> detail what it looks like?

What exactly needs to be done to establish once and for all whether or not the infamous Shroud of Turin is a fake?

You see the problem?

We know that 14C tests were done and we know that diehard Shroudies found ways of dismissing them. Why would this case be any different? Why would people who think Vyse was a liar—who are more than halfway to denouncing the entirety of “Egyptology” as a lucrative fraud—whose “thinking” is riddled with conspiracism—accept what a lab says? We’d be told that the sampling was done improperly, or the samples were switched, or the result was down to contamination, or the lab was in on it, or something like this:

“Vyse found a cache of ancient Egyptian paint. He broke the vessels containing it and had Hill and Raven pound the dried-up paint into powder. Then they added the purest water they could find (distilled) and used the resulting paint for the forgery.”

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,335235,335933#msg-335933

Your question presupposes an interested community with standards in common. There is no such community.

The only thing driving these calls for tests is the forgery idea. Those who think like this already are the people on Earth least likely to accept results which contradict their preconceptions: the option of crying “conspiracy!” is already built into their thinking. Give this lot their way and they would test and test and test until there is nothing left. As we have seen already, people like this need to be kept away from the pyramids (and note how consistently they excuse what Görlitz and Erdmann did).

As long as they have use for it, people will find “reasons” to believe in the “Vyse forgery”.

M.

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Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 1588 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 12:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 523 DScribr 08-Jul-16 12:57
P.P.S 389 DScribr 08-Jul-16 13:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 641 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 13:22
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 443 cladking 08-Jul-16 13:46
debate – what’s needed? 383 DScribr 08-Jul-16 16:00
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 323 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:15
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 413 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 527 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 415 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 611 Brian Patterson 08-Jul-16 17:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 448 Warwick 08-Jul-16 17:41
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 393 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 16:25
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 468 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 13:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 491 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 15:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 393 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:21
Hey MJ :) 435 Warwick 08-Jul-16 16:40
Re: Hey MJ :) 474 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 19:28
Re: Hey MJ :) 363 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:39
Re: Hey MJ :) 357 M. J. Thomas 08-Jul-16 20:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 426 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 17:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 466 Jon Ellison 08-Jul-16 18:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 354 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 344 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 18:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 316 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:38
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 333 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 390 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 18:49
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 416 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 18:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 460 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 365 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 350 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:30
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 368 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 364 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 20:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 315 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 21:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 439 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 360 DScribr 08-Jul-16 21:57
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 438 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:12
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 372 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:42
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 279 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:52
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 447 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 401 Audrey 08-Jul-16 20:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 433 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 21:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 430 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 375 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 21:51
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 344 Audrey 08-Jul-16 21:58
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 370 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 355 DScribr 08-Jul-16 22:05
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 336 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 22:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 344 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:38
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 380 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 22:45
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 392 Audrey 08-Jul-16 22:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 442 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 23:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 366 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:21
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 394 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 422 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 02:07
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 435 Audrey 09-Jul-16 02:52
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 472 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 03:19
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 380 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:22
Re: OK Folks....it's Time to play.....Name That Pharaoh! 465 Audrey 09-Jul-16 03:47
Re: Time for a mid east cruise : ) 378 Thunderbird 09-Jul-16 05:39
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 390 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:28
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 432 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 18:14
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 414 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 18:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 463 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 19:54
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 363 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 23:16
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 434 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 429 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:39
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 540 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 14:34
Real debate – what’s needed??? 372 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:59
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 407 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:33
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 403 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:46
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 343 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:06
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 340 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 16:48
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 341 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 17:02
Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 441 DScribr 09-Jul-16 19:33
Re: Good Spelling-what’s needed??? 369 Thanos5150 09-Jul-16 23:02
Good Spelling IS Needed In Transliteration. 359 DScribr 10-Jul-16 03:50
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 422 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 02:56
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 448 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 03:34
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 425 Corpuscles 10-Jul-16 03:55
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 345 Origyptian 10-Jul-16 04:17
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 456 Thanos5150 10-Jul-16 04:44
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 441 Audrey 10-Jul-16 05:42
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 311 Martin Stower 10-Jul-16 15:59
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 359 Audrey 08-Jul-16 23:00
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 462 eyeofhorus33 08-Jul-16 19:27
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 371 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:03
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 351 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:16
Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 346 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:19
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Re: Destiny 340 Audrey 09-Jul-16 02:51
Re: Destiny 362 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:24
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 405 Corpuscles 09-Jul-16 03:30
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 398 DScribr 09-Jul-16 03:59
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Re: Colonial Empire and Manifest Destiny 340 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 15:51
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 341 Warwick 08-Jul-16 19:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 343 Origyptian 08-Jul-16 19:24
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 313 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 20:19
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 331 R Avry Wilson 09-Jul-16 06:14
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 311 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 16:35
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 353 Origyptian 09-Jul-16 16:23
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 360 Corpuscles 08-Jul-16 23:06
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Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 441 Martin Stower 08-Jul-16 23:34
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 418 Audrey 09-Jul-16 00:04
Re: Khufu cartouche debate – what’s needed? 469 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 00:09
Links R US 367 DScribr 09-Jul-16 01:47
Re: Links R US 361 Martin Stower 09-Jul-16 06:43
Re: Links R US 331 DScribr 09-Jul-16 13:33
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