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Martin Stower Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > Merrell Wrote:
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> > > Audrey Wrote:
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> > > > Stower is a linguist?
> > >
> > > This is a term often (although not wholly
> > > accurately) used to describe people who speak
> > > several languages, when it's more properly
> the
> > >
> sci
> entific study of languages.

> > >
> > > Martin has studied linguistics in the context
> of
> > > cognitive science. He would not claim,
> however,
> > > that this makes him a linguist. He has
> > > contributed to projects in natural language
> > > processing, but, again, would not claim that
> this
> > > makes him a computational linguist.
> > >
> > > His interest in Egyptology is purely amateur,
> and
> > > he has never claimed otherwise.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don’t actually
> call
> > > Martin a linguist as such. They call him a
> > > “researcher”, a catch-all often applied
> to
> > > those on the “alternative” side, who
> usually
> > > lack formal credentials in the topics they
> > > discuss.
> >
> > Nevertheless they use Martin Stower, who it
> > transpires is non credentialed and "purely
> amateur
> > and has never claimed otherwise", in order to
> > buttress and underpin their argument.
> > Could this be considered somewhat disingenuous?
>
>
> No, John, they use me as a source of arguments and
> they acknowledge me as the source of these
> arguments. They present the arguments and leave
> the rest to the reader. They do not call me an
> “expert” and there is no appeal to authority
> (as noted below)—whereas you’ve made it
> abundantly clear here that an appeal to authority
> is precisely what Creighton has produced and this
> is how you see it yourself.

Which is exactly what Scott has done ..
He's identified and recognised an "expert". The one and only "expert" in the field as far as I am aware. (myself)
The expertise and method has been described, leaving the "ordinary reader" free to carry out their own analyses and draw there own conclusions.
Time and time again we say carry out your own analyses and draw your own conclusions.
How many times do we need to repeat it?



> > > > What credentials does Stower have making
> his
> > > > opinion believable?
> > >
> > > What credentials does Scott Creighton have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > In terms of the brush stroke issue, Scott has
> no
> > credentials whatsoever. It is for this reason
> that
> > he very wisely sought the advice and opinion of
> a
> > fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> > stroke sequencing.
> > One Snape-Ellison M.A.
>
> Fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> stroke sequencing!

The FIRST and ONLY fully degreed expert in brush stroke sequencing in this field. The practice of sequencing of brush strokes.
It seems that Egyptology has failed to identify this analytical process.
I did.
Which I'm fully prepared to share, so that "ordinary readers" can carry out their own analyses and draw their own conclusions.


>
> Most of us have worked this stuff out before the
> age of five,
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 52112,1055762#msg-1055762&v=t]remember[/url]?—an
> d you’re trying to con us that it’s
> specialised, esoteric knowledge which requires
> credentials to comment on?
>
> So, will you be showing us your published work on
> [i]brush stroke sequencing[/i] in the work of
> Roger Hilton (say)?
>
> Will you be showing us some of your paintings?

Why? What do my paintings have to do with anything?


>
> Past time for “the emperor has no clothes” on
> this one.

Ridiculous statement. The "clothes" have been demonstrated in the methodology.
The "clothes" have been freely given away and are free for anyone who cares to use them.



>
> And, let me remind you, Scott Creighton has no
> credentials in any of the stuff he talks about.

Were talking about ME, the one and only expert in brush stroke sequencing. Scott had the intelligence to seek expert advice on issues outside of his knowledge base and field.
A fact which is being fully and ably demonstrated here by yourself. He sought the advice of an expert.

>
> > > What credentials does Graham Hancock have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > Again Graham Hancock actively and constantly
> seeks
> > the advice of credentialed experts and
> > specialists.
>
> I’ve done some of that myself.

Good for you ..


>
> As for Graham Hancock, would you like to give an
> example? He’s clearly selective in which
> experts and specialists he believes and which not.
> What credentials does he have to make this
> choice?

The professional integrity of GH is not the issue here.


>
> If the books are just compilations of what
> credentialed experts and specialists say,
> where’s the room for Graham Hancock?

Who said they were .. JUST....


>
> Who, let me remind you, has no credentials in any
> of the stuff he talks about. Pretty dumb to do
> this huffing and puffing about credentials on
> Graham Hancock’s Message Board!

Not relevant..


>
> > > Martin's approached the Khufu forgery
> question
> > > much as a journalist would. He read the
> material,
> > > made sure he understood it, then explained it.
>
> > > Where possible, he's run it past qualified
> > > Egyptologists. If people are persuaded by
> his
> > > arguments, it’s because they follow them in
> > > detail and exercise their intelligence. No
> appeal
> > > to authority is made.
> >
> > All well and good, the question arising are
> > egyptologists the best people to comment on
> > painting? (the application of paint to a
> surface,
> > usually by brush)
> > Since the dawn of Egyptology I am not aware of
> any
> > egyptologist even recognising the potential of
> > this methodology.
> > Up until now it has gone un-noticed. Hidden in
> > plain sight.
> > As far as I am aware I am the first to both
> > recognise the potential and utilise this
> > methodology.
> > As far as I am aware Scott Creighton is the
> first
> > author to employ a/the specialist in this
> field.
>
> But John, most of us have applied paint with a
> brush by the age of five! Remember?

Yes straightforward and easy to understand isn't it? Beautiful simplicity.
Which begs the question why hasn't Egyptology and those such as yourself not already recognised it and were totally unaware of it until I was gracious enough to bring it to your attention.
In fact even within this post you are questioning its viability.
It seems to have caused quite a stir hasn't it.



>
> Do readers need higher degrees in Fine Art to
> follow the argument? No? Then it can’t be that
> esoteric. On the contrary, it’s precisely an
> appeal to common experience which does not require
> a specialist at either end. What we have here is
> an argument from authority con job and nothing
> but.

No it does not require a degree in Art to follow the argument, but it seems that it did require a degree in Art and expertise in Art to bring the process and method to the attention of one and all, including yourself.
Now that you have been made aware of it, by myself, yours truly.
You now appear to be quite upset and resentful of this revelation.
I'm not sure that this genie is going to go back into the bottle.
Especially in view of the amount of bandwidth you seem to be dedicating to making the world at large aware of it.
Thank you ..


>
> And you’re dead wrong about being first to
> “recognise the potential and utilise this
> methodology”. Houdin commented on the brush
> sequence—and one or two calligraphers were
> discussing the material on Unexplained Mysteries
> in the context of their interest.

Good for them.. Not quite the same application is it?
The method has been in use for at least a century.
As far as I am aware I am the first to apply it to the cartouche in question.
I know of no other reference to this method being applied to this issue.




>
> Heard of palaeography? You think you have
> anything on specialists in hieratic or demotic?

This has nothing at all to do with the reading of signs and symbols.
It is totally about the physical process of the application of paint to a surface... Painting..



>
> > This is very similar to the Schoch/Sphinx
> > scenario, where it was argued that Schoch's
> lack
> > of egyptological credentials somehow precluded
> him
> > from commenting on the sphinx erosion patterns.
> > In that egyptological erosion somehow differed
> > from geological erosion.
>
> And other geologists differed, so don’t regard
> this as a done deal which can make your point.

Who said that it was a done deal .?? It's an analytical process applied to a problem.


>
> > > > So far as I know he has no training,
> education, or
> > > > field experience that would qualify him on
> > > > "Linguistic and interpretation issues".
> > > > No training in hieroglyphs or languages.
> > >
> > > A post in the other thread linked to a
> webpage
> > > stating that Martin has a professional
> interest in
> > > cognitive science; and, as I stated above,
> he's
> > > studied linguistics in that context.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don't call him an
> > > “expert” as such, or ask people to accept
> what
> > > he says on that basis. On the contrary, they
> > > summarise the relevant arguments (pp.
> 100–103 in
> > > the hardback edition) and leave the reader to
> > > decide on that basis.
> >
> > They sought his expertise in that field and
> > proclaimed so.
>
> BS.
>
> Quote please.


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Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 Audrey 27-Jun-16 20:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 626 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 20:17
Re: Expert? Specialist? 499 Audrey 27-Jun-16 21:25
Re: Expert? Specialist? 476 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 21:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 525 Merrell 28-Jun-16 09:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 513 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 09:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 575 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 11:26
Re: Expert? Specialist? 539 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 12:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 514 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 14:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 535 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 14:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 488 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 15:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 525 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 543 Merrell 28-Jun-16 15:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Audrey 28-Jun-16 16:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 536 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 18:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 548 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 526 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 21:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 566 Audrey 28-Jun-16 19:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 624 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 01:35
Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 465 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 19:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 540 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 Merrell 28-Jun-16 20:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 518 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 533 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 572 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:42
Re: No parallel? 523 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 22:27
Re: No parallel? 493 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 537 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:49
Re: Expert? Specialist? 510 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 539 R Avry Wilson 28-Jun-16 19:31
Re: R Avery Wilson 448 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 20:47
Thanks, Brad 514 drrayeye 28-Jun-16 22:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 511 Audrey 29-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 R Avry Wilson 29-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 425 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 533 Thunderbird 29-Jun-16 06:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 503 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 474 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 461 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 445 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:33
Re: Expert? Specialist? 578 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 00:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 454 Audrey 30-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 422 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 03:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 433 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 379 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 382 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 441 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 448 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 522 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 481 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 484 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 484 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 436 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 452 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 413 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 484 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 495 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 371 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 431 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 519 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 514 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 512 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 484 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 548 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 557 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 441 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 442 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 423 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 503 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 395 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 476 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 464 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 443 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 426 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 564 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 543 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 570 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 479 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 530 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 505 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 501 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 390 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 577 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 409 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 472 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 475 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 453 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 519 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 424 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 524 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 614 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 458 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 532 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 528 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 435 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 536 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 434 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 466 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 476 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 462 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 470 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 446 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 507 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 429 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 543 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 588 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 426 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 498 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 455 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 451 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 590 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 499 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 568 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 594 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 550 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 496 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 501 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 557 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 457 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 563 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 544 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 506 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 664 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 520 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 559 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 604 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 516 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 539 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 596 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 592 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 520 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 534 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 549 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 545 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 470 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 531 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 544 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 445 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 482 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 522 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 411 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 457 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 583 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 524 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 550 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 464 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 499 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 542 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 501 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 567 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 508 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 515 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 459 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 500 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 554 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 573 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 540 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 479 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 510 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 460 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 514 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 398 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 455 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 444 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 477 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 523 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 403 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 409 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 443 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 491 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 453 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 463 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 428 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 512 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 529 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 489 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 409 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 474 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 485 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 490 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 536 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 472 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 428 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 469 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 540 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 447 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 459 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 555 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 431 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 515 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 408 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 545 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 457 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 495 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 463 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 509 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 469 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 448 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 523 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 409 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 424 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 475 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 408 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 497 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 506 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 496 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 521 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 485 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 405 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 420 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 479 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 509 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 505 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 531 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 493 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 446 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 465 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 498 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 442 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 484 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 457 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 484 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 470 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 498 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 528 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 452 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 467 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 427 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 479 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 499 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 449 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 466 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 404 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 516 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 485 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 449 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 440 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 500 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 405 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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