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Martin Stower Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > Merrell Wrote:
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> > > Audrey Wrote:
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> > > > Stower is a linguist?
> > >
> > > This is a term often (although not wholly
> > > accurately) used to describe people who speak
> > > several languages, when it's more properly
> the
> > >
> sci
> entific study of languages.

> > >
> > > Martin has studied linguistics in the context
> of
> > > cognitive science. He would not claim,
> however,
> > > that this makes him a linguist. He has
> > > contributed to projects in natural language
> > > processing, but, again, would not claim that
> this
> > > makes him a computational linguist.
> > >
> > > His interest in Egyptology is purely amateur,
> and
> > > he has never claimed otherwise.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don’t actually
> call
> > > Martin a linguist as such. They call him a
> > > “researcher”, a catch-all often applied
> to
> > > those on the “alternative” side, who
> usually
> > > lack formal credentials in the topics they
> > > discuss.
> >
> > Nevertheless they use Martin Stower, who it
> > transpires is non credentialed and "purely
> amateur
> > and has never claimed otherwise", in order to
> > buttress and underpin their argument.
> > Could this be considered somewhat disingenuous?
>
>
> No, John, they use me as a source of arguments and
> they acknowledge me as the source of these
> arguments. They present the arguments and leave
> the rest to the reader. They do not call me an
> “expert” and there is no appeal to authority
> (as noted below)—whereas you’ve made it
> abundantly clear here that an appeal to authority
> is precisely what Creighton has produced and this
> is how you see it yourself.

Which is exactly what Scott has done ..
He's identified and recognised an "expert". The one and only "expert" in the field as far as I am aware. (myself)
The expertise and method has been described, leaving the "ordinary reader" free to carry out their own analyses and draw there own conclusions.
Time and time again we say carry out your own analyses and draw your own conclusions.
How many times do we need to repeat it?



> > > > What credentials does Stower have making
> his
> > > > opinion believable?
> > >
> > > What credentials does Scott Creighton have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > In terms of the brush stroke issue, Scott has
> no
> > credentials whatsoever. It is for this reason
> that
> > he very wisely sought the advice and opinion of
> a
> > fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> > stroke sequencing.
> > One Snape-Ellison M.A.
>
> Fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> stroke sequencing!

The FIRST and ONLY fully degreed expert in brush stroke sequencing in this field. The practice of sequencing of brush strokes.
It seems that Egyptology has failed to identify this analytical process.
I did.
Which I'm fully prepared to share, so that "ordinary readers" can carry out their own analyses and draw their own conclusions.


>
> Most of us have worked this stuff out before the
> age of five,
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 52112,1055762#msg-1055762&v=t]remember[/url]?—an
> d you’re trying to con us that it’s
> specialised, esoteric knowledge which requires
> credentials to comment on?
>
> So, will you be showing us your published work on
> [i]brush stroke sequencing[/i] in the work of
> Roger Hilton (say)?
>
> Will you be showing us some of your paintings?

Why? What do my paintings have to do with anything?


>
> Past time for “the emperor has no clothes” on
> this one.

Ridiculous statement. The "clothes" have been demonstrated in the methodology.
The "clothes" have been freely given away and are free for anyone who cares to use them.



>
> And, let me remind you, Scott Creighton has no
> credentials in any of the stuff he talks about.

Were talking about ME, the one and only expert in brush stroke sequencing. Scott had the intelligence to seek expert advice on issues outside of his knowledge base and field.
A fact which is being fully and ably demonstrated here by yourself. He sought the advice of an expert.

>
> > > What credentials does Graham Hancock have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > Again Graham Hancock actively and constantly
> seeks
> > the advice of credentialed experts and
> > specialists.
>
> I’ve done some of that myself.

Good for you ..


>
> As for Graham Hancock, would you like to give an
> example? He’s clearly selective in which
> experts and specialists he believes and which not.
> What credentials does he have to make this
> choice?

The professional integrity of GH is not the issue here.


>
> If the books are just compilations of what
> credentialed experts and specialists say,
> where’s the room for Graham Hancock?

Who said they were .. JUST....


>
> Who, let me remind you, has no credentials in any
> of the stuff he talks about. Pretty dumb to do
> this huffing and puffing about credentials on
> Graham Hancock’s Message Board!

Not relevant..


>
> > > Martin's approached the Khufu forgery
> question
> > > much as a journalist would. He read the
> material,
> > > made sure he understood it, then explained it.
>
> > > Where possible, he's run it past qualified
> > > Egyptologists. If people are persuaded by
> his
> > > arguments, it’s because they follow them in
> > > detail and exercise their intelligence. No
> appeal
> > > to authority is made.
> >
> > All well and good, the question arising are
> > egyptologists the best people to comment on
> > painting? (the application of paint to a
> surface,
> > usually by brush)
> > Since the dawn of Egyptology I am not aware of
> any
> > egyptologist even recognising the potential of
> > this methodology.
> > Up until now it has gone un-noticed. Hidden in
> > plain sight.
> > As far as I am aware I am the first to both
> > recognise the potential and utilise this
> > methodology.
> > As far as I am aware Scott Creighton is the
> first
> > author to employ a/the specialist in this
> field.
>
> But John, most of us have applied paint with a
> brush by the age of five! Remember?

Yes straightforward and easy to understand isn't it? Beautiful simplicity.
Which begs the question why hasn't Egyptology and those such as yourself not already recognised it and were totally unaware of it until I was gracious enough to bring it to your attention.
In fact even within this post you are questioning its viability.
It seems to have caused quite a stir hasn't it.



>
> Do readers need higher degrees in Fine Art to
> follow the argument? No? Then it can’t be that
> esoteric. On the contrary, it’s precisely an
> appeal to common experience which does not require
> a specialist at either end. What we have here is
> an argument from authority con job and nothing
> but.

No it does not require a degree in Art to follow the argument, but it seems that it did require a degree in Art and expertise in Art to bring the process and method to the attention of one and all, including yourself.
Now that you have been made aware of it, by myself, yours truly.
You now appear to be quite upset and resentful of this revelation.
I'm not sure that this genie is going to go back into the bottle.
Especially in view of the amount of bandwidth you seem to be dedicating to making the world at large aware of it.
Thank you ..


>
> And you’re dead wrong about being first to
> “recognise the potential and utilise this
> methodology”. Houdin commented on the brush
> sequence—and one or two calligraphers were
> discussing the material on Unexplained Mysteries
> in the context of their interest.

Good for them.. Not quite the same application is it?
The method has been in use for at least a century.
As far as I am aware I am the first to apply it to the cartouche in question.
I know of no other reference to this method being applied to this issue.




>
> Heard of palaeography? You think you have
> anything on specialists in hieratic or demotic?

This has nothing at all to do with the reading of signs and symbols.
It is totally about the physical process of the application of paint to a surface... Painting..



>
> > This is very similar to the Schoch/Sphinx
> > scenario, where it was argued that Schoch's
> lack
> > of egyptological credentials somehow precluded
> him
> > from commenting on the sphinx erosion patterns.
> > In that egyptological erosion somehow differed
> > from geological erosion.
>
> And other geologists differed, so don’t regard
> this as a done deal which can make your point.

Who said that it was a done deal .?? It's an analytical process applied to a problem.


>
> > > > So far as I know he has no training,
> education, or
> > > > field experience that would qualify him on
> > > > "Linguistic and interpretation issues".
> > > > No training in hieroglyphs or languages.
> > >
> > > A post in the other thread linked to a
> webpage
> > > stating that Martin has a professional
> interest in
> > > cognitive science; and, as I stated above,
> he's
> > > studied linguistics in that context.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don't call him an
> > > “expert” as such, or ask people to accept
> what
> > > he says on that basis. On the contrary, they
> > > summarise the relevant arguments (pp.
> 100–103 in
> > > the hardback edition) and leave the reader to
> > > decide on that basis.
> >
> > They sought his expertise in that field and
> > proclaimed so.
>
> BS.
>
> Quote please.


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Re: Expert? Specialist? 691 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 13:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 664 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 14:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 727 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 02:17
Re: Expert? Specialist? 694 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 16:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 715 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 693 Audrey 27-Jun-16 20:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 823 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 20:17
Re: Expert? Specialist? 701 Audrey 27-Jun-16 21:25
Re: Expert? Specialist? 645 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 21:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 716 Merrell 28-Jun-16 09:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 675 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 09:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 757 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 11:26
Re: Expert? Specialist? 762 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 12:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 724 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 14:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 740 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 14:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 683 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 15:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 724 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 743 Merrell 28-Jun-16 15:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 671 Audrey 28-Jun-16 16:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 745 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 18:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 722 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 706 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 703 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 21:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 754 Audrey 28-Jun-16 19:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 803 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 01:35
Re: Expert? Specialist? 703 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 652 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 19:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 652 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 734 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 695 Merrell 28-Jun-16 20:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 698 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 729 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 765 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:42
Re: No parallel? 694 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 22:27
Re: No parallel? 681 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 719 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:49
Re: Expert? Specialist? 712 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 773 R Avry Wilson 28-Jun-16 19:31
Re: R Avery Wilson 655 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 20:47
Thanks, Brad 712 drrayeye 28-Jun-16 22:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 676 Audrey 29-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Expert? Specialist? 682 R Avry Wilson 29-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 620 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 732 Thunderbird 29-Jun-16 06:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 669 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 655 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 663 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 633 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:33
Re: Expert? Specialist? 772 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 00:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 623 Audrey 30-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 623 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 03:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 611 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 560 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 576 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 648 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 630 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 712 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 687 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 674 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 708 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 700 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 726 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 675 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 628 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 650 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 609 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 678 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 680 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 573 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 701 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 595 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 701 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 742 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 673 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 722 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 680 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 739 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 782 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 631 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 640 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 709 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 654 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 673 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 674 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 587 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 669 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 636 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 636 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 626 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 745 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 679 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 722 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 753 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 670 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 772 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 679 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 681 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 569 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 788 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 609 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 637 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 653 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 636 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 740 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 598 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 717 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 879 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 676 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 742 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 705 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 628 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 728 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 641 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 641 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 732 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 653 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 691 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 655 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 696 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 605 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 745 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 781 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 611 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 674 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 648 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 626 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 784 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 686 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 763 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 800 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 736 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 681 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 713 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 763 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 638 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 808 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 720 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 680 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 839 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 688 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 749 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 791 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 699 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 735 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 805 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 812 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 701 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 719 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 743 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 724 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 682 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 710 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 726 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 626 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 688 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 740 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 571 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 692 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 827 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 710 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 738 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 685 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 697 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 721 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 701 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 762 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 705 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 700 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 650 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 704 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 849 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 759 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 723 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 698 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 690 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 631 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 721 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 612 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 670 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 619 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 657 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 748 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 588 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 582 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 648 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 667 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 650 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 728 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 649 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 698 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 730 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 694 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 615 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 674 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 658 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 681 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 734 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 675 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 617 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 636 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 740 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 613 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 643 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 739 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 621 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 725 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 599 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 749 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 658 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 686 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 639 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 705 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 678 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 650 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 711 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 595 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 600 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 672 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 583 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 684 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 667 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 697 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 712 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 687 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 589 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 590 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 670 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 704 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 729 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 742 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 683 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 614 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 667 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 673 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 638 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 675 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 652 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 659 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 679 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 705 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 717 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 639 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 648 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 613 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 654 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 680 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 625 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 641 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 583 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 702 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 664 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 634 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 618 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 705 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 573 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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