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Martin Stower Wrote:
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> Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> > Merrell Wrote:
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> > > Audrey Wrote:
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> > > > Stower is a linguist?
> > >
> > > This is a term often (although not wholly
> > > accurately) used to describe people who speak
> > > several languages, when it's more properly
> the
> > >
> sci
> entific study of languages.

> > >
> > > Martin has studied linguistics in the context
> of
> > > cognitive science. He would not claim,
> however,
> > > that this makes him a linguist. He has
> > > contributed to projects in natural language
> > > processing, but, again, would not claim that
> this
> > > makes him a computational linguist.
> > >
> > > His interest in Egyptology is purely amateur,
> and
> > > he has never claimed otherwise.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don’t actually
> call
> > > Martin a linguist as such. They call him a
> > > “researcher”, a catch-all often applied
> to
> > > those on the “alternative” side, who
> usually
> > > lack formal credentials in the topics they
> > > discuss.
> >
> > Nevertheless they use Martin Stower, who it
> > transpires is non credentialed and "purely
> amateur
> > and has never claimed otherwise", in order to
> > buttress and underpin their argument.
> > Could this be considered somewhat disingenuous?
>
>
> No, John, they use me as a source of arguments and
> they acknowledge me as the source of these
> arguments. They present the arguments and leave
> the rest to the reader. They do not call me an
> “expert” and there is no appeal to authority
> (as noted below)—whereas you’ve made it
> abundantly clear here that an appeal to authority
> is precisely what Creighton has produced and this
> is how you see it yourself.

Which is exactly what Scott has done ..
He's identified and recognised an "expert". The one and only "expert" in the field as far as I am aware. (myself)
The expertise and method has been described, leaving the "ordinary reader" free to carry out their own analyses and draw there own conclusions.
Time and time again we say carry out your own analyses and draw your own conclusions.
How many times do we need to repeat it?



> > > > What credentials does Stower have making
> his
> > > > opinion believable?
> > >
> > > What credentials does Scott Creighton have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > In terms of the brush stroke issue, Scott has
> no
> > credentials whatsoever. It is for this reason
> that
> > he very wisely sought the advice and opinion of
> a
> > fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> > stroke sequencing.
> > One Snape-Ellison M.A.
>
> Fully credentialed and degreed expert in brush
> stroke sequencing!

The FIRST and ONLY fully degreed expert in brush stroke sequencing in this field. The practice of sequencing of brush strokes.
It seems that Egyptology has failed to identify this analytical process.
I did.
Which I'm fully prepared to share, so that "ordinary readers" can carry out their own analyses and draw their own conclusions.


>
> Most of us have worked this stuff out before the
> age of five,
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 52112,1055762#msg-1055762&v=t]remember[/url]?—an
> d you’re trying to con us that it’s
> specialised, esoteric knowledge which requires
> credentials to comment on?
>
> So, will you be showing us your published work on
> [i]brush stroke sequencing[/i] in the work of
> Roger Hilton (say)?
>
> Will you be showing us some of your paintings?

Why? What do my paintings have to do with anything?


>
> Past time for “the emperor has no clothes” on
> this one.

Ridiculous statement. The "clothes" have been demonstrated in the methodology.
The "clothes" have been freely given away and are free for anyone who cares to use them.



>
> And, let me remind you, Scott Creighton has no
> credentials in any of the stuff he talks about.

Were talking about ME, the one and only expert in brush stroke sequencing. Scott had the intelligence to seek expert advice on issues outside of his knowledge base and field.
A fact which is being fully and ably demonstrated here by yourself. He sought the advice of an expert.

>
> > > What credentials does Graham Hancock have
> which
> > > make his opinion believable?
> >
> > Again Graham Hancock actively and constantly
> seeks
> > the advice of credentialed experts and
> > specialists.
>
> I’ve done some of that myself.

Good for you ..


>
> As for Graham Hancock, would you like to give an
> example? He’s clearly selective in which
> experts and specialists he believes and which not.
> What credentials does he have to make this
> choice?

The professional integrity of GH is not the issue here.


>
> If the books are just compilations of what
> credentialed experts and specialists say,
> where’s the room for Graham Hancock?

Who said they were .. JUST....


>
> Who, let me remind you, has no credentials in any
> of the stuff he talks about. Pretty dumb to do
> this huffing and puffing about credentials on
> Graham Hancock’s Message Board!

Not relevant..


>
> > > Martin's approached the Khufu forgery
> question
> > > much as a journalist would. He read the
> material,
> > > made sure he understood it, then explained it.
>
> > > Where possible, he's run it past qualified
> > > Egyptologists. If people are persuaded by
> his
> > > arguments, it’s because they follow them in
> > > detail and exercise their intelligence. No
> appeal
> > > to authority is made.
> >
> > All well and good, the question arising are
> > egyptologists the best people to comment on
> > painting? (the application of paint to a
> surface,
> > usually by brush)
> > Since the dawn of Egyptology I am not aware of
> any
> > egyptologist even recognising the potential of
> > this methodology.
> > Up until now it has gone un-noticed. Hidden in
> > plain sight.
> > As far as I am aware I am the first to both
> > recognise the potential and utilise this
> > methodology.
> > As far as I am aware Scott Creighton is the
> first
> > author to employ a/the specialist in this
> field.
>
> But John, most of us have applied paint with a
> brush by the age of five! Remember?

Yes straightforward and easy to understand isn't it? Beautiful simplicity.
Which begs the question why hasn't Egyptology and those such as yourself not already recognised it and were totally unaware of it until I was gracious enough to bring it to your attention.
In fact even within this post you are questioning its viability.
It seems to have caused quite a stir hasn't it.



>
> Do readers need higher degrees in Fine Art to
> follow the argument? No? Then it can’t be that
> esoteric. On the contrary, it’s precisely an
> appeal to common experience which does not require
> a specialist at either end. What we have here is
> an argument from authority con job and nothing
> but.

No it does not require a degree in Art to follow the argument, but it seems that it did require a degree in Art and expertise in Art to bring the process and method to the attention of one and all, including yourself.
Now that you have been made aware of it, by myself, yours truly.
You now appear to be quite upset and resentful of this revelation.
I'm not sure that this genie is going to go back into the bottle.
Especially in view of the amount of bandwidth you seem to be dedicating to making the world at large aware of it.
Thank you ..


>
> And you’re dead wrong about being first to
> “recognise the potential and utilise this
> methodology”. Houdin commented on the brush
> sequence—and one or two calligraphers were
> discussing the material on Unexplained Mysteries
> in the context of their interest.

Good for them.. Not quite the same application is it?
The method has been in use for at least a century.
As far as I am aware I am the first to apply it to the cartouche in question.
I know of no other reference to this method being applied to this issue.




>
> Heard of palaeography? You think you have
> anything on specialists in hieratic or demotic?

This has nothing at all to do with the reading of signs and symbols.
It is totally about the physical process of the application of paint to a surface... Painting..



>
> > This is very similar to the Schoch/Sphinx
> > scenario, where it was argued that Schoch's
> lack
> > of egyptological credentials somehow precluded
> him
> > from commenting on the sphinx erosion patterns.
> > In that egyptological erosion somehow differed
> > from geological erosion.
>
> And other geologists differed, so don’t regard
> this as a done deal which can make your point.

Who said that it was a done deal .?? It's an analytical process applied to a problem.


>
> > > > So far as I know he has no training,
> education, or
> > > > field experience that would qualify him on
> > > > "Linguistic and interpretation issues".
> > > > No training in hieroglyphs or languages.
> > >
> > > A post in the other thread linked to a
> webpage
> > > stating that Martin has a professional
> interest in
> > > cognitive science; and, as I stated above,
> he's
> > > studied linguistics in that context.
> > >
> > > Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald don't call him an
> > > “expert” as such, or ask people to accept
> what
> > > he says on that basis. On the contrary, they
> > > summarise the relevant arguments (pp.
> 100–103 in
> > > the hardback edition) and leave the reader to
> > > decide on that basis.
> >
> > They sought his expertise in that field and
> > proclaimed so.
>
> BS.
>
> Quote please.


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Re: The Power 668 Warwick 04-Jun-16 18:47
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Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 625 Warwick 05-Jun-16 07:26
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Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 637 Warwick 05-Jun-16 18:51
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 654 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 20:12
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 627 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:25
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 556 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 01:35
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Re: The Power 665 Martin Stower 14-Jun-16 09:36
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Re: Who Was Khufu? 640 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 02:42
The Entrance Cartouche Puzzle 689 loveritas 04-Jun-16 04:18
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The Lepsius Tablet 589 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Jun-16 17:20
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Re: 26th Dyn. ....Homage to Khufu 647 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 16:46
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Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 551 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 17:44
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Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 531 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 18:56
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 539 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 19:29
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 559 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 20:28
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 655 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 21:38
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 603 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 22:06
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 506 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 23:02
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Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 557 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 572 Audrey 22-Jun-16 01:10
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 576 Audrey 21-Jun-16 23:02
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 572 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 23:10
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 624 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:21
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 548 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 23:23
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 585 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 23:30
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 653 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 00:57
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 511 Audrey 22-Jun-16 01:13
Re: Creighton's Legal Team In Shambles! 608 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 02:35
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Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 604 Merrell 24-Jun-16 13:06
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 517 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 595 Audrey 24-Jun-16 17:01
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 534 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 19:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 596 Audrey 24-Jun-16 19:53
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 541 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:44
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 591 Audrey 24-Jun-16 22:58
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 469 Martin Stower 25-Jun-16 00:20
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 461 Audrey 25-Jun-16 01:07
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 575 Martin Stower 25-Jun-16 01:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 621 Audrey 25-Jun-16 03:15
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 610 Martin Stower 25-Jun-16 21:23
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 504 Jon Ellison 25-Jun-16 21:43
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Re: Expert? Specialist? 497 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 18:09
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Re: Expert? Specialist? 553 eyeofhorus33 26-Jun-16 20:26
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 20:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 534 eyeofhorus33 26-Jun-16 20:55
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Re: Expert? Specialist? 532 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 528 Audrey 27-Jun-16 20:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 630 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 20:17
Re: Expert? Specialist? 504 Audrey 27-Jun-16 21:25
Re: Expert? Specialist? 479 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 21:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 528 Merrell 28-Jun-16 09:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 517 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 09:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 579 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 11:26
Re: Expert? Specialist? 544 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 12:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 520 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 14:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 545 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 14:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 491 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 15:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 532 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 547 Merrell 28-Jun-16 15:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Audrey 28-Jun-16 16:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 541 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 18:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 553 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 530 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 519 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 21:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 573 Audrey 28-Jun-16 19:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 628 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 01:35
Re: Expert? Specialist? 526 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 471 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 19:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 466 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 544 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 522 Merrell 28-Jun-16 20:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 536 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 575 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:42
Re: No parallel? 527 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 22:27
Re: No parallel? 497 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 542 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:49
Re: Expert? Specialist? 515 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 544 R Avry Wilson 28-Jun-16 19:31
Re: R Avery Wilson 453 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 20:47
Thanks, Brad 520 drrayeye 28-Jun-16 22:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 519 Audrey 29-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Expert? Specialist? 460 R Avry Wilson 29-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 433 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 538 Thunderbird 29-Jun-16 06:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 507 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 479 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 469 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 450 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:33
Re: Expert? Specialist? 581 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 00:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Audrey 30-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 425 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 03:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 438 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 385 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 384 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 445 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 454 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 527 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 495 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 491 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 493 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 502 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 439 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 461 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 418 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 490 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 380 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 497 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 434 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 520 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 517 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 490 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 553 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 562 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 447 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 447 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 507 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 470 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 434 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 507 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 399 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 480 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 468 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 447 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 435 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 567 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 547 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 577 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 538 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 512 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 504 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 397 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 586 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 414 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 482 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 456 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 525 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 427 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 531 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 622 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 462 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 534 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 532 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 445 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 541 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 438 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 472 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 484 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 466 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 475 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 450 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 513 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 434 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 546 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 593 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 432 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 506 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 461 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 453 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 596 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 504 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 572 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 603 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 554 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 499 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 505 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 560 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 461 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 568 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 547 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 511 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 669 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 526 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 564 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 611 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 518 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 543 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 601 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 594 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 523 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 536 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 552 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 548 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 475 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 534 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 550 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 450 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 488 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 529 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 415 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 460 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 588 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 530 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 553 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 474 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 508 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 547 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 507 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 569 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 515 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 520 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 463 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 504 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 558 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 579 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 546 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 486 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 514 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 463 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 518 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 404 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 462 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 450 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 482 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 527 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 412 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 415 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 452 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 493 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 460 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 467 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 435 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 519 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 534 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 494 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 415 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 480 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 488 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 496 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 540 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 476 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 432 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 473 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 546 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 453 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 462 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 564 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 437 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 525 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 416 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 548 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 465 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 498 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 468 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 513 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 472 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 451 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 533 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 415 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 429 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 484 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 412 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 502 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 510 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 500 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 528 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 490 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 410 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 424 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 485 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 514 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 509 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 535 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 498 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 449 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 472 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 503 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 448 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 489 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 462 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 488 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 474 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 504 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 536 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 456 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 469 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 437 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 483 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 503 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 460 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 470 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 408 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 521 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 490 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 455 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 449 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 502 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 408 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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