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Thunderbird Wrote:
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> Alan Alford responds to Martin
>
> Alan Alford
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Sounds like I've got you worried!
>
> Thank you for confirming that all three names of
> Khufu - including the
> Horus Medjedu name - were inscribed together in an
> inscription in Sinai,
> and reproduced in 'Voyage de l'Arabie Petree' -
> published in 1832 - 5
> years BEFORE Vyse made his discovery.
>
> I mentioned this only because it backs up the
> point which I previously
> made - that Vyse could have copied ALL of the
> inscriptions from a location
> outside the Great Pyramid to the Construction
> Chambers inside the Pyramid.
>
> The Sinai inscriptions are relevant only as an
> example of how the names
> were often written together.
>
> Your contention that no-one could read the Horus
> names in 1837 is
> irrelevant. It is my contention that Vyse copied
> what he saw, probably
> from the nearby quarries or the tombs of Khufu's
> kinsfolk, and I would
> suggest that he found the Horus-name written
> <without> the serekh.
>
> Anyway, your note about Wilkinson is a little
> incomplete. Not only did he
> observe that the serekhs 'relate to the kings' but
> he included Khufu's
> serekh directly alongside the cartouche name for
> Khufu. He labelled them
> "1a/1b the name of Shufu or Suphis". This was in
> his 1837 book, published
> in the months BEFORE Vyse's 'discovery'.
>
> As you well know, Wilkinson HAD made the
> connection in 1837 between the
> readings Khufu/Shufu and Suphis/Cheops. And it had
> long been suspected
> that Cheops was the king who had built the Great
> Pyramid - as related by
> Herodotus.
>
> So, IF Vyse saw Wilkinson's book - which you must
> admit as a probability
> (or even a 'possibility' will suffice) - he could
> hardly have failed to
> make the necessary connections from Cheops to the
> cartouches for
> Shufu/Khufu AND to the serekh-name (which we now
> know to read 'Hor
> Medjedu').
>
> As for the Khnum-kuefui cartouche name, Wilkinson
> also reproduced this in
> his 1837 book, directly alongside the names of
> Shufu, labelling it
> '2.Numba-Khufu or Chembres'. So IF Vyse had seen
> this book, which I will
> presume he did, he would have been intrigued by
> the 'Khufu' connection
> between this name 'Numba-Khufu' and
> Shufu/Khufu/Cheops.
>
> Now we know that Vyse spent months at Giza and had
> his men copying
> inscriptions there. And we know from Birch and
> Wilkinson that these
> cartouche names and the serekh had already been
> found at Giza (for
> example, Wilkinson's plate of the names is
> captioned 'From the Tombs near
> the Pyramids'). So it does not take a huge leap of
> faith to suppose that
> Vyse had first-hand experience of ALL these
> names.
>
> So, all we need is for Vyse to have found all
> three names together - in a
> quarry or a tomb - to make the logical connection
> that they were all
> related to the same king, Cheops, who was already
> supposed to have been
> the owner of the Pyramid.
>
> So, did Vyse forge the king's names? Let's just
> remind ourselves of a few
> salient facts:
>
> 1. There were no proper archaeological controls or
> verification procedures
> in operation to authenticate the marks that were
> found when the
> Construction Chambers were opened by Vyse.
>
> 2. By 1837, all chambers inside the Great Pyramid
> had been thoroughly
> explored and no other inscriptions had been found.
> Only the 'air shafts'
> remained unexplored, and they were almost
> completely inaccessible. So
> there was little likelihood of a fraud ever being
> subsequently exposed by
> new, contrary evidence.
>
> 3. Vyse, by his own admission, was running out of
> time and money and was
> desperate to make a discovery.
>
> 4. The red ochre paint which was used in the
> ancient inscriptions was
> still readily available in 1837.
>
> So did he do it? Did Vyse commit the forgery? On
> the evidence of what's in
> the Great Pyramid alone, we may never know for
> certain. But there are
> several things, Martin, which should make you feel
> uncomfortable with your
> oh-so-confident assertion that the names are
> authentic:
>
> (i) No graffiti marks were found in the lowest
> chamber - the only one NOT
> opened by Vyse.
>
> (ii) Arguably, the term 'craftsman' found in the
> crew names does not
> belong in the context of a work gang engaged in
> lifting heavy stones, but
> rather to craftsmanship as in making statues,
> furniture or other
> artifacts, as might be found in temples or tombs.
> This seems to support my
> hypothesis that the marks were copied from one
> location to another, but
> I'd love to hear what you think.
>
> (iii) The graffiti includes a lot of very strange
> stuff which you do know
> about, Martin, but which you don't like to talk
> about. Please allow me to
> remind you:
>
> * In Nelson's Chamber, northern side of western
> wall, the cartouche which
> should follow 'the Craftsmens 'Crew' symbols is
> almost entirely missing.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, northern side of western
> wall, there is a
> genuinely malformed cartouche, which has nothing
> to do with Khufu. How
> odd.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, southern side of western
> wall, there is a
> confusing jumble of hieroglyphs, seemingly a crew
> name based on Horus
> Medjedu which appears to have been partly
> obliterated and then repainted.
> Why?
>   
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, northern wall, there are
> no less than SIX
> attempts to produce the Khnum-kuefui cartouche,
> only ONE of which has been
> properly completed. Mighty strange.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, southern wall, there are
> 2 fragmentary attempts
> at the Horus Medjeru name, plus sundry other marks
> of uncertain character.
> How peculiar.
>
> Even if we leave to one side the whole battery of
> evidence that the Great
> Pyramid dates centuries earlier than Khufu, the
> above facts must at the
> very least cast considerable doubt on the
> authenticity of the
> inscriptions.
>
> All I can hope to do with this evidence is to
> demonstrate that the
> orthodox argument for the authenticity of the
> inscriptions is by no means
> a watertight case. Considerable doubt exists and
> should be acknowledged.
>
> I would add that few people realise just to what
> extent the orthodox case
> hangs on these Vyse inscriptions. I believe that I
> have demonstrated this
> point amply in my book 'The Phoenix Solution'.
>
> As you can see Martin, your abuse and threats
> don't worry me in the
> slightest. The facts speak for themselves.
>
> As for Hancock's statement, Martin, don't make me
> laugh! You have no
> evidence, just hearsay, and some very vague
> hearsay at that. I suggest you
> try and get some good photos because you're really
> going to need them. I
> tell you what - if you manage to get you and me,
> both, a double written
> invitation from Hawass to go up into the
> Construction Chambers, equipped
> with proper lighting, I'll pay for your return
> flight to Egypt. How about
> that for an 'honest attempt to discover the
> truth'?
>
> *************************
>
>
> T Bird

Discerning readers will already know that Bird is a piece of work.

Those in any doubt might like to look up his crass comments on the Paris attacks of November last year and then decide for themselves whether or not his babbling conspiracism is really all that harmless.

Here he quotes the late Alan F. Alford, without mentioning that he’s no longer around to speak for himself, without mentioning that the words in question are from a Usenet post of 29 September 1998, going on eighteen (18) years ago, without any indication that I replied to the post and without (as is customary) linking to the material, so that readers may quickly discover how the discussion really went.

I rectify the lack. To Alford’s post:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.archaeology/X1_w-l3_Qws/Ptn-Ij465XYJ

To my reply direct:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.archaeology/X1_w-l3_Qws/m1Rpr3C5McwJ

Dredging up this old stuff may tell those that need it how little Bird has learnt in the interim, but for the rest of us (and especially those who were actively involved) it’s dragging the discussion back to a stage which should have been superceded.

I was saddened to hear of Alan’s death in 2011 (in Nepal, in circumstances which have not been fully explained). A memento mori and a reminder that some things are more important. I find this necroposting of his words, as if all of this were still current, in bad taste, to say the least.

M.

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The Power 550 loveritas 04-Jun-16 04:40
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Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 581 Warwick 05-Jun-16 18:51
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 584 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 20:12
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 572 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:25
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Re: Expert? Specialist? 490 Merrell 28-Jun-16 15:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 439 Audrey 28-Jun-16 16:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 481 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 18:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 496 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 474 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 466 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 21:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 513 Audrey 28-Jun-16 19:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 574 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 01:35
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 402 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 19:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 408 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 489 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Merrell 28-Jun-16 20:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 481 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 509 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:42
Re: No parallel? 463 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 22:27
Re: No parallel? 440 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 487 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:49
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 483 R Avry Wilson 28-Jun-16 19:31
Re: R Avery Wilson 395 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 20:47
Thanks, Brad 436 drrayeye 28-Jun-16 22:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Audrey 29-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Expert? Specialist? 406 R Avry Wilson 29-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 376 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 460 Thunderbird 29-Jun-16 06:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 446 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 414 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 411 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 386 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:33
Re: Expert? Specialist? 501 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 00:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 402 Audrey 30-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 362 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 03:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 388 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 326 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 330 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 380 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 386 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 460 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 418 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 418 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 454 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 441 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 429 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 442 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 386 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 392 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 368 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 419 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 440 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 321 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 432 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 378 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 459 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 440 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 422 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 446 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 421 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 482 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 494 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 380 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 385 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 436 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 401 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 362 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 442 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 331 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 427 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 416 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 367 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 375 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 509 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 431 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 496 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 427 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 464 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 453 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 436 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 341 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 524 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 345 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 429 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 421 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 404 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 456 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 366 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 467 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 542 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 391 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 473 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 468 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 374 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 476 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 382 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 416 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 417 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 395 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 404 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 379 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 453 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 380 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 466 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 519 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 376 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 444 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 401 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 391 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 527 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 442 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 506 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 532 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 489 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 428 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 446 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 507 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 388 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 508 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 489 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 452 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 608 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 471 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 501 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 534 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 451 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 477 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 535 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 531 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 461 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 478 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 485 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 493 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 420 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 467 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 479 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 395 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 427 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 441 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 359 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 395 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 508 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 473 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 486 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 384 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 446 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 491 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 442 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 508 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 444 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 460 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 404 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 441 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 486 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 498 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 472 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 399 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 445 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 411 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 452 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 339 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 390 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 382 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 421 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 457 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 347 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 352 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 382 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 440 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 401 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 407 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 362 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 443 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 477 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 419 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 352 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 414 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 422 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 431 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 476 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 421 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 372 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 413 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 478 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 398 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 408 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 434 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 381 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 451 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 355 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 485 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 391 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 441 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 400 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 442 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 401 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 379 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 456 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 348 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 368 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 420 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 352 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 429 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 453 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 431 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 451 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 421 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 348 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 366 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 421 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 447 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 437 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 470 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 429 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 391 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 405 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 435 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 377 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 410 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 400 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 422 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 415 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 432 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 475 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 388 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 417 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 375 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 428 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 443 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 396 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 410 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 354 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 453 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 436 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 399 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 388 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 443 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 353 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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