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Thunderbird Wrote:
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> Alan Alford responds to Martin
>
> Alan Alford
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Sounds like I've got you worried!
>
> Thank you for confirming that all three names of
> Khufu - including the
> Horus Medjedu name - were inscribed together in an
> inscription in Sinai,
> and reproduced in 'Voyage de l'Arabie Petree' -
> published in 1832 - 5
> years BEFORE Vyse made his discovery.
>
> I mentioned this only because it backs up the
> point which I previously
> made - that Vyse could have copied ALL of the
> inscriptions from a location
> outside the Great Pyramid to the Construction
> Chambers inside the Pyramid.
>
> The Sinai inscriptions are relevant only as an
> example of how the names
> were often written together.
>
> Your contention that no-one could read the Horus
> names in 1837 is
> irrelevant. It is my contention that Vyse copied
> what he saw, probably
> from the nearby quarries or the tombs of Khufu's
> kinsfolk, and I would
> suggest that he found the Horus-name written
> <without> the serekh.
>
> Anyway, your note about Wilkinson is a little
> incomplete. Not only did he
> observe that the serekhs 'relate to the kings' but
> he included Khufu's
> serekh directly alongside the cartouche name for
> Khufu. He labelled them
> "1a/1b the name of Shufu or Suphis". This was in
> his 1837 book, published
> in the months BEFORE Vyse's 'discovery'.
>
> As you well know, Wilkinson HAD made the
> connection in 1837 between the
> readings Khufu/Shufu and Suphis/Cheops. And it had
> long been suspected
> that Cheops was the king who had built the Great
> Pyramid - as related by
> Herodotus.
>
> So, IF Vyse saw Wilkinson's book - which you must
> admit as a probability
> (or even a 'possibility' will suffice) - he could
> hardly have failed to
> make the necessary connections from Cheops to the
> cartouches for
> Shufu/Khufu AND to the serekh-name (which we now
> know to read 'Hor
> Medjedu').
>
> As for the Khnum-kuefui cartouche name, Wilkinson
> also reproduced this in
> his 1837 book, directly alongside the names of
> Shufu, labelling it
> '2.Numba-Khufu or Chembres'. So IF Vyse had seen
> this book, which I will
> presume he did, he would have been intrigued by
> the 'Khufu' connection
> between this name 'Numba-Khufu' and
> Shufu/Khufu/Cheops.
>
> Now we know that Vyse spent months at Giza and had
> his men copying
> inscriptions there. And we know from Birch and
> Wilkinson that these
> cartouche names and the serekh had already been
> found at Giza (for
> example, Wilkinson's plate of the names is
> captioned 'From the Tombs near
> the Pyramids'). So it does not take a huge leap of
> faith to suppose that
> Vyse had first-hand experience of ALL these
> names.
>
> So, all we need is for Vyse to have found all
> three names together - in a
> quarry or a tomb - to make the logical connection
> that they were all
> related to the same king, Cheops, who was already
> supposed to have been
> the owner of the Pyramid.
>
> So, did Vyse forge the king's names? Let's just
> remind ourselves of a few
> salient facts:
>
> 1. There were no proper archaeological controls or
> verification procedures
> in operation to authenticate the marks that were
> found when the
> Construction Chambers were opened by Vyse.
>
> 2. By 1837, all chambers inside the Great Pyramid
> had been thoroughly
> explored and no other inscriptions had been found.
> Only the 'air shafts'
> remained unexplored, and they were almost
> completely inaccessible. So
> there was little likelihood of a fraud ever being
> subsequently exposed by
> new, contrary evidence.
>
> 3. Vyse, by his own admission, was running out of
> time and money and was
> desperate to make a discovery.
>
> 4. The red ochre paint which was used in the
> ancient inscriptions was
> still readily available in 1837.
>
> So did he do it? Did Vyse commit the forgery? On
> the evidence of what's in
> the Great Pyramid alone, we may never know for
> certain. But there are
> several things, Martin, which should make you feel
> uncomfortable with your
> oh-so-confident assertion that the names are
> authentic:
>
> (i) No graffiti marks were found in the lowest
> chamber - the only one NOT
> opened by Vyse.
>
> (ii) Arguably, the term 'craftsman' found in the
> crew names does not
> belong in the context of a work gang engaged in
> lifting heavy stones, but
> rather to craftsmanship as in making statues,
> furniture or other
> artifacts, as might be found in temples or tombs.
> This seems to support my
> hypothesis that the marks were copied from one
> location to another, but
> I'd love to hear what you think.
>
> (iii) The graffiti includes a lot of very strange
> stuff which you do know
> about, Martin, but which you don't like to talk
> about. Please allow me to
> remind you:
>
> * In Nelson's Chamber, northern side of western
> wall, the cartouche which
> should follow 'the Craftsmens 'Crew' symbols is
> almost entirely missing.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, northern side of western
> wall, there is a
> genuinely malformed cartouche, which has nothing
> to do with Khufu. How
> odd.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, southern side of western
> wall, there is a
> confusing jumble of hieroglyphs, seemingly a crew
> name based on Horus
> Medjedu which appears to have been partly
> obliterated and then repainted.
> Why?
>   
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, northern wall, there are
> no less than SIX
> attempts to produce the Khnum-kuefui cartouche,
> only ONE of which has been
> properly completed. Mighty strange.
>
> * In Arbuthnot's Chamber, southern wall, there are
> 2 fragmentary attempts
> at the Horus Medjeru name, plus sundry other marks
> of uncertain character.
> How peculiar.
>
> Even if we leave to one side the whole battery of
> evidence that the Great
> Pyramid dates centuries earlier than Khufu, the
> above facts must at the
> very least cast considerable doubt on the
> authenticity of the
> inscriptions.
>
> All I can hope to do with this evidence is to
> demonstrate that the
> orthodox argument for the authenticity of the
> inscriptions is by no means
> a watertight case. Considerable doubt exists and
> should be acknowledged.
>
> I would add that few people realise just to what
> extent the orthodox case
> hangs on these Vyse inscriptions. I believe that I
> have demonstrated this
> point amply in my book 'The Phoenix Solution'.
>
> As you can see Martin, your abuse and threats
> don't worry me in the
> slightest. The facts speak for themselves.
>
> As for Hancock's statement, Martin, don't make me
> laugh! You have no
> evidence, just hearsay, and some very vague
> hearsay at that. I suggest you
> try and get some good photos because you're really
> going to need them. I
> tell you what - if you manage to get you and me,
> both, a double written
> invitation from Hawass to go up into the
> Construction Chambers, equipped
> with proper lighting, I'll pay for your return
> flight to Egypt. How about
> that for an 'honest attempt to discover the
> truth'?
>
> *************************
>
>
> T Bird

Discerning readers will already know that Bird is a piece of work.

Those in any doubt might like to look up his crass comments on the Paris attacks of November last year and then decide for themselves whether or not his babbling conspiracism is really all that harmless.

Here he quotes the late Alan F. Alford, without mentioning that he’s no longer around to speak for himself, without mentioning that the words in question are from a Usenet post of 29 September 1998, going on eighteen (18) years ago, without any indication that I replied to the post and without (as is customary) linking to the material, so that readers may quickly discover how the discussion really went.

I rectify the lack. To Alford’s post:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.archaeology/X1_w-l3_Qws/Ptn-Ij465XYJ

To my reply direct:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.archaeology/X1_w-l3_Qws/m1Rpr3C5McwJ

Dredging up this old stuff may tell those that need it how little Bird has learnt in the interim, but for the rest of us (and especially those who were actively involved) it’s dragging the discussion back to a stage which should have been superceded.

I was saddened to hear of Alan’s death in 2011 (in Nepal, in circumstances which have not been fully explained). A memento mori and a reminder that some things are more important. I find this necroposting of his words, as if all of this were still current, in bad taste, to say the least.

M.

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Non Noh-Suphis 851 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Jun-16 15:31
Re: Who Was Khufu? 772 Thunderbird 02-Jun-16 17:10
Re: Oldest mines and Red ochre 626 Thunderbird 03-Jun-16 01:24
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Re: Who Was Khufu? 661 loveritas 03-Jun-16 05:00
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Re: Hidden Agenda 619 Dr. Troglodyte 04-Jun-16 00:05
Re:Co Regents ? 612 Thunderbird 03-Jun-16 15:35
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Re: Re:Co Regents ? 638 Thunderbird 04-Jun-16 01:55
The Power 591 loveritas 04-Jun-16 04:40
Re: The Power 647 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 05:26
Re: The Power 644 Warwick 04-Jun-16 18:47
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 823 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 21:06
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 581 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 21:27
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 601 Warwick 05-Jun-16 07:26
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 960 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 18:37
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 613 Warwick 05-Jun-16 18:51
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 626 Thanos5150 05-Jun-16 20:12
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 605 Warwick 06-Jun-16 18:25
Re: 3rd Dynasty Cartouche 528 Thanos5150 07-Jun-16 01:35
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Re: The Power 621 Martin Stower 14-Jun-16 09:36
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Re: The Power 561 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 13:32
Re: The Power 603 Merrell 21-Jun-16 16:14
Re: The Power 597 loveritas 21-Jun-16 23:10
Re: The Power 538 atul.seth 27-Jun-16 20:51
Re: Who Was Khufu? 613 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 02:42
The Entrance Cartouche Puzzle 661 loveritas 04-Jun-16 04:18
Re: The Entrance Cartouche Puzzle 595 Thanos5150 04-Jun-16 05:23
The Lepsius Tablet 564 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Jun-16 17:20
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Re: The Lepsius Tablet 629 loveritas 05-Jun-16 23:33
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Re: Allegorical and historical 676 Thunderbird 04-Jun-16 02:37
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Re: Schoch and the Quarry Marks 517 R Avry Wilson 06-Jun-16 03:53
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Re: Khufu Cartouche 634 R Avry Wilson 06-Jun-16 07:37
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Re: 26th Dyn. ....Homage to Khufu 611 Thunderbird 12-Jun-16 16:46
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Re: Expert? Specialist? 506 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 522 Merrell 28-Jun-16 15:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 477 Audrey 28-Jun-16 16:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 514 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 18:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 528 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 506 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:22
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Jon Ellison 28-Jun-16 21:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 549 Audrey 28-Jun-16 19:15
Re: Expert? Specialist? 607 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 01:35
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 438 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 19:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 439 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 20:43
Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 498 Merrell 28-Jun-16 20:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 500 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 21:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 512 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 549 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:42
Re: No parallel? 502 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 22:27
Re: No parallel? 474 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 22:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 521 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:49
Re: Expert? Specialist? 490 Martin Stower 28-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 516 R Avry Wilson 28-Jun-16 19:31
Re: R Avery Wilson 428 Thunderbird 28-Jun-16 20:47
Thanks, Brad 476 drrayeye 28-Jun-16 22:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 494 Audrey 29-Jun-16 00:39
Re: Expert? Specialist? 437 R Avry Wilson 29-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 407 Audrey 29-Jun-16 02:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 508 Thunderbird 29-Jun-16 06:32
Re: Not all geeks are equal : ) 482 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 450 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 443 Merrell 28-Jun-16 21:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 426 eyeofhorus33 28-Jun-16 21:33
Re: Expert? Specialist? 541 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 00:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 437 Audrey 30-Jun-16 02:41
Re: Expert? Specialist? 401 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 03:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 416 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 362 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 363 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:29
Re: Expert? Specialist? 418 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Expert? Specialist? 426 eyeofhorus33 30-Jun-16 06:10
Re: Expert? Specialist? 502 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:37
Re: Ignore the evidence 454 Thunderbird 30-Jun-16 06:08
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Audrey 30-Jun-16 04:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 487 R Avry Wilson 30-Jun-16 04:34
Re: Expert? Specialist? 476 Audrey 30-Jun-16 05:06
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:07
Re: Expert? Specialist? 480 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 06:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 418 Corpuscles 30-Jun-16 23:14
Re: Expert? Specialist? 428 Audrey 30-Jun-16 23:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 397 Martin Stower 30-Jun-16 23:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 462 Audrey 01-Jul-16 00:36
Re: Expert? Specialist? 474 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 00:50
Re: Expert? Specialist? 353 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:09
Re: Expert? Specialist? 468 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 410 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:57
Re: Expert? Specialist? 499 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 478 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 14:55
Please, Steven 486 drrayeye 01-Jul-16 00:44
Re: Please, Steven 459 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 01:19
Re: Please, Steven 518 Audrey 01-Jul-16 01:56
Re: Please, Steven 532 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 04:24
Re: Please, Steven 417 Martin Stower 01-Jul-16 15:01
Re: Expert? Specialist? 418 Origyptian 26-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Expert? Specialist? 476 Merrell 26-Jun-16 19:18
Re: Expert? Specialist? 441 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:03
Re: Expert? Specialist? 399 Merrell 27-Jun-16 07:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 481 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 13:19
Re: Expert? Specialist? 364 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 13:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Merrell 27-Jun-16 14:56
Re: Expert? Specialist? 446 Jon Ellison 27-Jun-16 15:11
Re: Expert? Specialist? 419 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:28
Re: Expert? Specialist? 407 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:42
Re: Expert? Specialist? 546 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Expert? Specialist? 471 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 17:45
Re: Expert? Specialist? 526 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 21:13
Re: Expert? Specialist? 552 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 22:32
Re: Expert? Specialist? 460 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 00:21
Re: Expert? Specialist? 506 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:02
Re: Expert? Specialist? 487 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:40
Re: Expert? Specialist? 481 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Expert? Specialist? 372 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 15:55
Re: Expert? Specialist? 556 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 16:24
Re: Expert? Specialist? 386 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:30
Re: Expert? Specialist? 457 Martin Stower 27-Jun-16 21:27
Re: Expert? Specialist? 455 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 01:59
Re: Expert? Specialist? 433 eyeofhorus33 27-Jun-16 17:00
Re: Expert? Specialist? 497 Origyptian 27-Jun-16 18:51
Re: Gatekeeping 403 Thunderbird 27-Jun-16 16:38
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 502 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:54
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 579 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:24
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 427 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:42
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 508 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:18
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 505 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 03:27
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 414 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:31
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 513 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 417 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 449 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:52
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 450 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:23
No Moderator Conspiracy 433 loveritas 27-Jun-16 05:55
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 441 Morten 25-Jun-16 23:19
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 418 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:37
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 489 Audrey 25-Jun-16 23:51
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 411 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 00:45
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 513 Audrey 26-Jun-16 01:49
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 564 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:12
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 408 DScribr 30-Jun-16 02:48
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 480 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 437 Merrell 26-Jun-16 13:30
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 433 Audrey 24-Jun-16 16:43
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 567 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:08
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 477 Audrey 24-Jun-16 20:33
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 546 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 20:47
Re: Strange Graffiti. ....mighty strange indeed 572 Merrell 25-Jun-16 10:59
Re: Perring - Lady Arbuthnot chamber 528 Martin Stower 24-Jun-16 11:38
Post o' the week! 465 DScribr 22-Jun-16 21:07
Summertime In England 483 loveritas 21-Jun-16 05:52
Re: Who Was Khufu? 539 DUNE 21-Jun-16 15:14
Re: Who Was Khufu? 437 Jon Ellison 21-Jun-16 15:22
Re: Who Was Khufu? 543 DUNE 21-Jun-16 16:05
Re: Minute Examination 525 Thunderbird 21-Jun-16 18:12
Re: Minute Examination 488 Martin Stower 21-Jun-16 18:48
Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 644 loveritas 22-Jun-16 03:34
Re: Gilligan Accepts Michaelangelo Challenge 501 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 20:20
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 538 DScribr 23-Jun-16 19:14
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 583 Martin Stower 23-Jun-16 21:37
Re: Gilligan and Ginger 494 DScribr 23-Jun-16 23:00
Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 513 loveritas 22-Jun-16 23:20
Re: Court Rocked By Stalker Allegation! 576 Martin Stower 22-Jun-16 23:57
Creighton's Legal Team In Hiding 569 loveritas 23-Jun-16 23:54
it all boils down to this 496 Warwick 25-Jun-16 19:21
How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 513 Corpuscles 25-Jun-16 23:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 525 Audrey 26-Jun-16 00:19
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 527 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 01:24
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 454 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:17
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 504 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:33
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 521 Audrey 26-Jun-16 02:48
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 428 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:52
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 462 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 02:57
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 487 Jon Ellison 26-Jun-16 02:59
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 392 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 03:40
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 433 Audrey 26-Jun-16 03:46
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 549 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 04:04
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 505 Audrey 26-Jun-16 04:47
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 525 Martin Stower 26-Jun-16 13:49
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 427 Warwick 26-Jun-16 17:32
Re: How about... all cut out the c RAP!? 480 Corpuscles 26-Jun-16 07:01
Re: Who Was Khufu? 523 atul.seth 28-Jun-16 12:48
Re: Who Was Khufu? 479 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 15:13
Re: Who Was Khufu? 543 Howard West 28-Jun-16 15:37
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 482 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 16:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 492 Origyptian 28-Jun-16 18:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 437 wonderwall 28-Jun-16 20:52
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 480 Brian Patterson 28-Jun-16 21:22
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 528 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 04:46
Lackeys 546 loveritas 29-Jun-16 07:19
Re: Lackeys 511 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 08:06
Re: Lackeys 440 Corpuscles 29-Jun-16 09:41
Re: Lackeys 486 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 09:45
Re: Lackeys 440 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:52
Re: Lackeys 492 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:05
Oxymoron Alert 377 Warwick 29-Jun-16 16:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 428 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:58
Re: Oxymoron Alert 415 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Oxymoron Alert 459 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:28
Re: Oxymoron Alert 496 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 17:36
Re: Oxymoron Alert 383 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:47
Re: Oxymoron Alert 387 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 18:59
Surely you Jest 418 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 19:59
Re: Surely you Jest 471 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:29
Re: Surely you Jest 433 WonderWho 29-Jun-16 20:48
Re: Oxymoron Alert 440 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:32
N/T 403 Merrell 01-Jul-16 17:22
Re: Oxymoron Alert 479 Warwick 29-Jun-16 17:15
Re: Oxymoron Alert 511 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 17:24
Say what? 463 Warwick 30-Jun-16 14:27
Re: Say what? 386 Origyptian 30-Jun-16 15:16
Re: Say what? 449 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:55
Re: Say what? 459 Origyptian 01-Jul-16 17:10
Re: Say what? 469 Warwick 01-Jul-16 17:28
Re: Say what? 512 Jon Ellison 30-Jun-16 15:26
Re: Say what? 454 Warwick 01-Jul-16 16:51
The Lackey Called John Snape 408 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:14
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 451 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 11:38
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 518 loveritas 29-Jun-16 11:55
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 429 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 12:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 440 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:16
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 517 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:33
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 413 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:47
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 489 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:58
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 388 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:09
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 523 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:28
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 431 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 476 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:01
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 441 eyeofhorus33 29-Jun-16 17:10
Re: The Lackey Called John Snape 483 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:30
Re: Lackeys 442 Audrey 29-Jun-16 15:59
Re: Lackeys 425 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:08
Re: Lackeys 498 Audrey 29-Jun-16 16:31
Re: Lackeys 383 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:54
Re: Lackeys 401 Audrey 29-Jun-16 17:06
Re: Lackeys 456 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 17:37
Re: Lackeys 387 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:43
Re: Lackeys 472 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 18:46
Re: Lackeys 488 Audrey 29-Jun-16 18:48
Re: Lackeys 468 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 19:19
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 495 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 12:40
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 459 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 13:35
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 382 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 13:38
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 400 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 14:42
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 458 Jon Ellison 29-Jun-16 15:16
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 486 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:50
'Officially' in the gutter. 481 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:16
Scotts 'New" Book 507 DScribr 29-Jun-16 03:36
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 470 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 13:27
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 429 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 14:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 437 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:44
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 475 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 15:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 418 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 15:57
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 456 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 16:07
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 438 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 16:14
n/t 462 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:59
The Need For Proof. 450 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:56
Re: The Need For Proof. 472 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:00
Hypocrisy 507 DScribr 29-Jun-16 20:10
Re: Hypocrisy 428 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 20:19
Re: Hypocrisy 446 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 20:56
Re: Hypocrisy 410 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:01
Re: Hypocrisy 461 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 21:14
Re: Hypocrisy 478 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 21:36
Re: Hypocrisy 430 Martin Stower 29-Jun-16 22:21
Re: Hypocrisy 440 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:55
Re: Hypocrisy 384 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:53
Re: Hypocrisy denied, but..... 490 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:50
Re: Hypocrisy 467 DScribr 29-Jun-16 22:48
Re: Scotts 'New" Book 430 DScribr 29-Jun-16 19:49
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 421 cladking 29-Jun-16 03:48
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 479 Origyptian 29-Jun-16 05:09
Re: This Is Scotts Book Page 384 cladking 29-Jun-16 19:12


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